Things none of ya'll have ever read about Revelation.

[Daniel Martinovich]

Are you ready to understand the mysteries of the book of Revelation chapters 6-19? The four horseman, the seven seals, trumpets and vials? These are very real events that were prophesied using highly illustrative language. To be able to do this do this you have to understand and accept the Bibles own interpretation of its own prophecies in the Old and New Testaments. If you refuse this or don't know to, then it is humanly impossible to understand the book of Revelation's prophecies. Yes, that means the four-hundred thousand books written on these prophecies and the six-hundred and fifty-million commentaries along with billion times some person said the Holy Spirit revealed to me..... are all wrong. This is why nothing anyone ever says regarding it comes to pass either. Sorry I can't make this easy reading for Social Media readers. This time you have to break out multiple windows of the Bible and history sites.​

Daniel chapter 2 & 7 are prophecies of an age of universal oppression for all believers measured by four empires. The first one in Daniel chapter 2 is named as Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon. The second and third empires are named in Daniel 8 as Medo\Perisan and Greek. Rome's conquest of the Syrian and Egyptian quarters of the Greek Empire is prophesied in Daniel 11; and Rome is named all over the NT. The dates this age of universal oppression of the saints starts is 597 BC when Nebuchadnezzar conquers Judea and ends in 1453 AD when what had been the capitol of the Roman empire since 333 AD, Constantinople was conquered by the Turks. These prophecies actually gave us the date of the end of that age which you can see in my article- The Times and Seasons of the Bibles Prophecy.​

After the end of the Roman Empire the Bible said this is what would take place: Daniel 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. Two things clarify the exact meaning of that. One is dozens of chapters of the Bibles prophecy like Isaiah 54, 60, 61, 62, 65:17-25, Psalm 72. etc. The other is what happened historically. The Bible began illegally making its way into the hands of the general public right when the Roman Empire ended. Those Bible reading people won and pioneered this growing free world and now billions are coming to Christ.​

Revelation 6-19 contain two parallel prophesies of the same events with different details. I'll be listing them appropriately.​

Revelation chapter 6:1-8's first four seals and four horseman are the four empires spoken about in the second paragraph of this article.
The reason this is evident is that this prophecy in Rev. chapters 6-11 is repeated in Rev. chapters 13-18. with the same seven judgments as Rev. chapters 6-11. Only instead of four horsemen. The four animals that are used in Rev. chap. 13 are the same ones in Daniel 7 which has already been interpreted for us by the Bible as the four empires. Now some might ask then; what is the lamb like animal in Rev. 13? All the end time prophecy relating to the end of the old covenant age and the end of the age of oppression of all the saints everywhere measured by these four empires starting with Daniel chap. 2 are simply expansions, meaning added details of that original prophecy. That is what the prophecy of of the lamb with two horns is. An added detail of things that will transpire in the Roman Empire. It's a prophecy of Roman empires split into an eastern and western branch. The two horns illustrate the split. The fact that it is a lamb like animal is the empires claims of Christianity that occurred at the same time the capitol was moved to Constantinople. It speaking the words of the dragon is self explanatory. The number 666 is the number of years between the beginning of the age of these four gentile empires when Nebuchadnezzar first conquered Judea in 597 BC and the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. There is no year -0- making it 666 years. Buying and selling? Rome had already enrolled the peoples of its empire to be taxed right at the beginning of the Gospels as that was the reason Mary and Joseph had to go to Bethlehem to be enrolled.​

Revelation 6:9-7:8 & Rev. 14:1-5, the fifth and sixth seals are a prophecy about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
It starts in chapter 6 citing the murder of the old testament saints, many at the hands of their countrymen and telling them the judgment will not come until the same ill treatment NT saints in Israel has reached its zenith. The 144,000 illustrate the followers of the messiah in Ancient Israel that escaped the destruction of the city by listening to Jesus's many prophecies about it. Most notably in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. Now the attention of the prophecy turns to the Roman Empire.​

Revelation 7:9-17 & Rev. 14:6- 20 though still part of sixth seal is a prophecy of the great harvest of souls in the Roman Empire.
While Rev. 7:9-17 emphasizes the tribulation Rome will put the saints through along with a prophecy of what would occur when that tribulation ends; both in this life or in the next life. Rev. 14:6-20 adds to that the pronouncements of Rome's doom for its murder of the saints.​

Revelation 8:1-5 & Rev. 15 is the seventh seal. The prayers, cries and praise of the saints during the time of their tribulation and heavens answer.
We are now close to the third century. Passed the time of the ten Roman emperors spoken of as ten toes in Daniel 2 and ten horns in Daniel 7, Rev. 12, 13 and 17. The ten after Titus who destroyed Jerusalem. Starting with Domitian and included historically 5 "good emperors" ending with Didius Julianus. During the time period the saints multiplied exceedingly, partially due to the lack of imperial persecutions. This basically sealed the fate of the Babylonian system of state imposed idolatry in the empire. This system was part of the Roman government as people like Julius Caesar and Mark Antony were the Head Pontiff's of this state imposed religion. After Octavian became Rome's first emperor all titles were now placed upon the emperor. This called for action as past persecutions or just leaving the Christians alone did not work. That action came in the form of Septimius Severus in 193 AD. The 11th (little horn) of Daniel 7 who started the war on the saints that over came them for 1260 years until the end of the empire. He passed the worlds first blasphemy law. The death penalty for becoming a Christian. The end of the Severun dynasty was when the first of the seven trumpets or plagues came upon the empire.​

Revelation 8:7 & Rev. 16:2. The first trumpet, plague or vial was Cyprians plague. 249-262 AD. From here on the acronym TPV will be used for Trumpet, plague or vial.
The plague is described in chapter 16:2 and the results in chapter 8:7. Perhaps up to 5000 people a day were dying in Rome. By the historical descriptions it is easy to imagine a third of the empire perishing from the plague and resulting famines. This resulted in the destruction of a third of the crops in the empire simply because there was no one to tend to or harvest them.​

Revelation 8:8-9 & Rev.16:3. The second TPV lists more results of Cyprian's plague on the empire.
The sea here illustrates the nations and a third of the peoples of the Roman empire dying. The mention of the ships is because during this time period by the end of the third century Rome's infrastructure was destroyed. The system that was able to deliver goods empire wide in a matter of weeks was gone. Great cities emptied out since they could no longer be sustained. Money failed. The people turned to barter and sustenance farming. Later imperial decrees created the serf system that tied the people to lands as slaves to landholders. This is the reason Rev. 16:3 uses the illustrative language it does about every living soul dying in the sea- the empire. That is an illustration about the height and the glories of the Roman Empire of the last few centuries perishing at this point, never to return again. The world would not see and international infrastructure like this being built until a few hundred years ago. One might call this the beginning of the dark ages and be correct, but we still have 5 calamities to go.​

Revelation 8:10-11 & Rev. 16:4-7. The third TPV was a breakup of a third of the empire, the entire eastern part.
Remember the sea and waters are being used illustratively to speak of the empire and the peoples. Interesting enough the area of the breakaway state is where the wormwood plant pretty much exclusively grows. This breakaway state called the Palmyrene Empire was also where the fountains of the great rivers of Asia minor, the Middle East and Egypt arise from. All the blood letting due to this episode is what is being emphasized by these prophecies.​

Revelation 8:12-13 & Rev. 16:8-9 The fourth TPV signals what would transpire that would destroy a third of the luminaries which are the leaders, the stars, the celebrity of the empire.
This was the beginning of a great 300 year long drying period in the empire that would turn a lot of fertile land that fed it into desert. This fourth TVP as a pronouncement of the next three of the seven TVP's which also prophesied the three woes. Those three woes turned out to be the three times the city of Rome was conquered by foreign armies during this period to come.​

Revelation 9:1-12 & Rev. 16:10-11 The fifth TVP is because the drying period drives Huns and the Alans west in a great migration into Eastern Europe over the next century.
This in turn drives the Germanic tribes, the Visigoths south, eventually into Italy where they conquered the city of Rome, the seat of the beast, which was the first woe.​

Revelation 9:13-21 & Rev 16:12-15 The sixth TVP is the full blown invasion into Europe by the Huns and Alans.
Chapter 9 illustrations describe the Huns and Alans quite well. I do not know the significance of using the valley of Megiddo in Chapter 16 as illustration in this prophecy.​

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[Daniel Martinovich]

Revelation 10-12
Before the seventh TVP and Third Woe the first of the two parallel prophecies diverge for an explanation as to why John is receiving this Revelation. Then it spends the next chapter in part of that explanation before it prophesies the seventh TVP. Meanwhile the second of the two parallel prophecies immediately prophesies the seventh TVP and goes right to what you will see is the mystery revealed. Revelation 10:7 is somewhat of a key to understanding why these prophecies of future events are being given in Revelation. The book of Revelation is not about a revelation about Jesus Christ. He was already fully revealed. It is however a highly relevant revelation that Jesus Christ is giving his first century people and those who will share their tribulations during this age of oppression measured by these four empires. Here is a verse regarding the mystery. "Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, will you at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said to them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father has put in his own power. 8 But you shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and you shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth." One must understand the background to this question to understand the point I am trying to make. The apostles knew the prophecies in the book of Daniel. Their people had lived through the prophecies of the first three empires and were well into the fourth empire. They knew that the messiah would end the fourth empire and the promises\prophecies of Isaiah 54, 60, 61, 65:17-25, Psalm 72. etc would come to pass. They did not understand the sheer magnitude of these prophecies and how they would transform the earth as we who are living them out now see it. But instead, their thinking was confined to their little corner of the world and their own freedom from oppression. So what they were asking Jesus is when will these good news prophecies begin to come to pass. Jesus straightly told his own apostles that this information would not be given to them but they had a mission to fulfill. So one has to put themselves in their heads. They could clearly see in Daniel 2 & 7 that there were ten Roman emperors and an 11th that would overcome the saints in war. Don't think for a minute they were not counting Roman emperors looking for the hope of these prophecies laying ahead. That is where the book of Revelation comes in. At the end of the lives of the original apostles during the reign of the emperor Nero. John received the revelation about the mystery of Daniels prophecies concerning the Roman Empire. Something that would reveal the timeline of future events they rightfully desired to come to pass in their generation. That is now where these two parallel prophecies are headed. The revelation of the mystery of the timing of the ten emperors which will signify the beginning of the fulfillment of the dozens of chapters of good news prophecy in the Bible. Now the first parallel prophecy starts in Revelation 10-12 starts speaking about this before it gets to the seventh TVP. The second parallel prophecy jumps right into it after it prophesies the seventh TVP. So I will finish Revelation 10-12 before finishing its parallel prophecy that goes much deeper into the details.

Revelation 10:1-6. I assume the seven thunders is a prophecy of other things to come after the seventh TVP.
If these are a further seven catastrophic events to come upon the Roman Empire, since there is no further information about them. It would be most difficult to say with any kind of confidence what they were.​

Revelation 10:7-11 is Johns vision of prophesying the completion of the revelation of the vision as opposed to the fulfillment of all the prophecy.
There is a huge difference between the two. One means the revelation is now fully revealed and the other would mean what was revealed as prophecy in now completely fulfilled. Only the revelation of the mystery of what Daniel prophesied about the Roman Empire is being revealed. Not the fulfillment of it.​

Revelation 11:1-13 is and example of what John will be prophesying related to the mystery being revealed.
In Daniel seven it says the 11th emperor will begin a war that overcomes the saints for a time, two times and a half time. That is the same number as 42 months and 1260 days in this chapter 11:1-3. This is verified in Rev 12 that repeats the number. What we can see looking back, because this has been fulfilled, is that just like the prophecy of the coming of the messiah in Daniel 9:24-27 of 7x70 weeks. It turned out that the 490 days were illustrations of years. The messiah's ministry was completed in Jerusalem at the end of 490 years from the time of the Medo\Persain Emperor's declaration. This is the same thing. The 1260 days illustrates a prophecy about 1260 years. How does this help the people living in the time of oppression? How are they supposed to figure that out? You'll see when when we get to the second parallel prophecy that goes into far greater detail than the first we are looking at now. Verse 1-2 of Rev. Chap. 11 is a prophecy of the oppression of the saints for 1260 years. They are the temple of God according to basic NT teaching. And, according to Isaiah 54. 60. 61, Revelation 21 -22 along with many other chapters, they are also the city of God in verse 2. So what this is a prophecy of is a repeat about the war against the saints prophesied in Daniel 7 for 1260 years. That they will be overcome. God will dwell inside their spirits but the earth and even their own bodies are given to the nations who will oppress and murder them. They, as represented by the prophecies of the city of God will not be the dominate influence in the world during that age of oppression. That is why the two witnesses in verse 3 are clothed in sackcloth for 1260 years. They illustrate the Holy Spirit and the Word who were thought to be crucified when Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem as per verses 8-10; but arose with his resurrection as per verses 11-13. The judgments against the world for its oppression and murder of the saints are replete in the Bible.​

Revelation 11:14-19 & Rev. 16:17-21. By the time the the seventh TVP comes the second woe in Rev 11:14 has already occurred.
This was the second time a foreign army conquered the city of Rome. This time by the Alans and the Vandals in 455 AD. The first time was by the Visigoths in 410 AD. The third time was in 546 AD was when the emperor Justinian in Constantinople tried to re-establish the western half of the empire. He succeeded for a short period but by the time the Ostrogoth's conquered the city it only had 40,000 living in it and the Ostrogoth's completely depopulated it. This prophecy is most notable however by its illustrations of the destruction of the nations. In 535 AD a great explosion or thundering was heard all over the world as recorded by those who have written histories. For three years the sky was darkened which resulted in massive crop failures. This led to horrific plagues in Europe as rodents sought food in cities. It is perhaps why you see all these great cities buried in Jungle or forsaken the America's. The civilizations may have perished during this time and what Europeans found when they came to the America's was its re-build. North American natives claim the great works on the continent were built by the people who were here before them. This was the greatest world wide calamity ever seen outside of Noah's flood. A true world wide apocalypse that erased whole civilizations and who knows how many species of animals. The dark ages had now fully descended upon the world.​

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[Daniel Martinovich]

Revelation 12 & 17 continues the completion of the revelation of the mystery of Daniel 2 & 7.
In Rev. 12 we see and expansion of the prophecy in Daniel. A Roman Empire illustrated by a dragon with 7 heads and the ten horns of Daniel 7. The persecuted woman that gave birth to the messiah is the New Jerusalem of Isaiah 54 who are the believers in Ancient Israel, now become the believers in the NT. Versus 6 & 14 show the 1260 year time period of the universal oppression of the saints related to this empire once more. Rev. chap. 17 gives us the clarity we need to see the times and seasons of this revelation. In verse 9, the great city that sits on seven mountains is obviously Rome. In verse 10 seven heads are Rome's first seven emperors, John is receiving this vision during the reign of the 6th, The Bible's prophecy is not counting claimants to the throne during times of civil war the way historians do. Regardless of what you think of that, the 8th emperor is Titus as illustrated by verse 11. He illustrates the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes into perdition. This is who Paul is referring to in 2nd Thessalonians 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Also Daniel 9:26 .....and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and to the end of the war desolations are determined. So you can see how Daniel and Paul emphasize the individual but Revelation in chap. 17:11, the emphasis is on the empire. There is a reason for this. Titus was the son of the emperor Vespasian when he destroyed Jerusalem. He was not emperor at the time but the prince of Daniel 9:26. He sat in the temple courtyard when he conquered Jerusalem. Revelations prophecy however emphasizing the Roman Empire's destruction of Jerusalem and Titus who was of the same dynasty as the first seven emperors becoming the eight emperor is giving us precise dates through which we can determine the end of the this age of oppression and the beginning of the age of promise. How?​

In the next verse, 12. John is shown that the ten kings of the Roman Empire prophesied about in Daniel 2, 7, & Rev. 12, 13, 17 are future to him receiving this vision during the reign of the sixth emperor. Based on that alone we still don't know which ten. But since we have hindsight and know the empire ended in 1453 AD. We can take 1260 years off that date which that brings us to 193 AD which is the first year of the reign of Septimious Severus. He fulfilled Daniel 7's prophecy abut him precisely. Three emperors fell before him in one year. He defeated two other claimants to the throne besides this. Why some historians would call those claimants emperors is beyond me. They never reigned as emperors like the three who fell in a year. He started what was essentially a war against the saints. The death penalty for becoming a Christian. This tells you who the ten emperors were since Severus is the eleventh in Daniel 7. Those ten are the ten who immediately followed the Titus's reign as emperor. So essentially what you have is that from the beginning of the times of the gentiles when Nebuchadnezzar conquered Judea until the destruction of Jerusalem in 666 years by Titus the prince- Then Titus who illustrates the beast itself's emperorship, followed by the ten emperor's prophesied about in multiple places. Then from the beginning of Daniel 7's prophecy of the eleventh emperor is 1260 years until the Roman Empire and the times of the gentiles ends. Significant to demonstrate the supernatural nature of the Bible. But much more significant as to what prophecies we should put our faith in as to what the future holds.​

Revelation 17-18 and the Babylonian Mystery Religion. Chap 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. What this was specifically is the practice of kings and emperors imposing idolatry on the peoples. Today we would call it an intolerant official state religion like Islam. This was started by Nimrod in Babylon shortly after the the flood and was the reason Jehovah came down to earth and confused the languages and spread the human race all over the world. God did not want the entirety of his creation immediately separated from himself by state imposed idolatry. The reason kings and emperors practiced this because it makes people easier to deceive and manipulate as it separates the peoples from the voice of the Lord. In Daniel's first prophecy about these four empires and what would follow he notes that the ten toes, illustrating these ten emperors have the strength of iron but there is clay mixed with that iron illustrating a weakness. The weakness is the Babylonian system of government imposed idolatry to control the masses. Since these emperors did not realize the extent of the danger Christianity posed to their rule, they did not conduct large scale imperial persecutions against them. That gave the believers some breathing room to multiply exceedingly which spelled the doom of the state imposed idolatry. Idolatry is the first thing to fall when the gospel is preached, and to peoples under the influence of the kingdom of God. This is what verse 17:14 is a prophesying: These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. It is not a prophecy of the end of the empire but the beginning of the end state imposed idolatry. Septimius Severus's, the 11th emperor mention in Daniel 7, although to late to stop the momentum of the kingdom of God against the Babylonian mystery religion; turned to large scale imperial persecutions that set the stage for the 1260 years of military campaigns against the saints. As most westerners understand. the Babylonian system, due to its inability to control the masses was eventually replaced by an imperial\state church. That would serve the purpose of the emperors control over their domains for a millennium. If things got out of hand. Such as a region within their empire where the population was gaining access to the scripture and the people becoming aware of the freedoms promised in Christ. Military campaigns to wipe out those regions became the norm as this was a direct threat to the rule of emperors and kings. As noted earlier. The dynamic that changed all this was the invention of the printing press when the Roman Empire ended and the general public gaining access to the Bible. A public armed with the the truth of God's Word began to be dominate in all things including militarily over the ancient order of things and always tends towards freedom. The thinking that developed in Northern Europe due to the public reading Bibles migrated to North America. This was the beginning of the free world prophesied in God's Word that will eventually overtake the entire globe.​

One hitch for me is the verses in chapter 17:16-17. They are a mystery to me as these ten emperors were not hostile to the Roman state religion or it's government supported priesthood. My assumption regarding these two verses, although it takes them wildly out the context of Chapter 17; is that they are speaking not of the harlot of Babylon but of Jerusalem's whoredoms. These ten emperors where extremely hostile towards the remainder of any Israeli's in Judea and did in fact seek to totally destroy them. After the Kokhba Revolt in 135 AD the emperor Hadrian sought to erase Jewish identity and as part of that campaign renamed the region Syria Palaestina, or Palaestina for short. (After the Philistines) That is where we get the name Palestine from.​

Revelation 19. The end of the age of universal oppression of the saints measured by the four empires and the beginning of the promised age. Like Daniel 2, 7 and many dozens of chapters of prophecy. Revelation prophesied a promised age of billions coming to Christ and the transformation of the world from despotism to a growing free world once the Roman Empire ended. That is what this particular instance, among many, of the coming of the Lord illustrates. As stated earlier. The main vehicle that would bring the judgment upon the despotic ancient world and the promise of a free one was the Bible for the first time in history, making its way into the hands of the general public. That is what is mostly being illustrated in verse 14 in Christ bringing the armies of heaven with him. They represent the old and new testament saint's labors and sufferings, mostly in bringing the world his written word. In other words all the labors of the saints over millennia will now begin to bring the fruit prophesied in a promised age. This was followed by another first outside ancient Israel. Many of the geographical area's that had gained access to Bibles surviving the war aimed at taking the scriptures from them but then, the Bible reading peoples becoming dominate in every area of life, including militarily. This phenomena has been growing in the earth ever since then and nothing the world has thrown at it has been able to stop it. That is what is illustrated in verses 15-16. The defeat in war of the entire order of the despotic ancient world. Mostly but not only, by the peoples influenced by the Bible. It is not beyond God to use the wicked to punish the wicked. As represented in the remaining verses of the destruction of the Roman Empire and end of the age of the universal oppression of the saints. The lake of fire illustrates total defeat in war.​

Now I understand how hard it is to see this in chapter nineteen because the pictures presented about it are so highly illustrative. Intimate familiarity with the scripture and a yielding to its own interpretations of its own prophecies rather than familiarity with the many narratives and traditions the Bible is read through are a necessary component of understanding them. I'm going to leave chapter 20 out of this as it, along with chapter 21-22, belong to this current age. I'll write an article on it down the road .​

 

[Douggg]

Daniel, what is your breakdown explanation of Ezekiel 39 ? Since the Gog/Magog event has not taken place yet.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

I don't want to add another three pages to this, so here is a link. THE MYSTERIES OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION CHAPTER 20

 

[Douggg]

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

The book of Revelation is primarily about events that lead up to Jesus's return.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Well, that's what you say and what you have invested years of your life propagating. But there are plenty of folks out there who are not so sure about the kinds of things your teaching and want a more rational and accurate explanation of the book of Revelation. This is for them.

 

[Douggg]

Well, that's what you say and what you have invested years of your life propagating. But there are plenty of folks out there who are not so sure about the kinds of things your teaching and want a more rational and accurate explanation of the book of Revelation. This is for them.

more rational and accurate ? As what you presented ? No. Your understanding of Revelation is totally in error.

You also need to work on your written communication skills. i.e. the long paragraphs you construct make reading what you wrote very difficult. Also employ the use of outlines. Followed by explanations.

Also, provide some time line charts, such as....

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Yet what I pointed out came to pass as far as the historical portion. The process portion of the influnce of the invisible kingdom of God becoming the greatest influence in the world after the Roman Empire ended is certainly coming to pass too. . This due to the Bible starting to (illegally) get into the hands of the general public right when that empire ended has resulted in billions coming to Christ and a growing free world.

 

[Aaron112]

Not.

 

[Aaron112]

God did not want the entirety of his creation immediately separated from himself by state imposed idolatry.

Most people are separated no matter what the causality was or is. This won't change until Yeshua Returns.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

I'm sorry you can't see this:

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Why am I saying John 3:17 is not Christian doctrine? Very simply because 90% of the USA's pulpits contradict it in their teachings. What teachings are those one might ask? You will figure it out with a quick examination of the passage. The Greek word for world in this verse is kosmos. The very same word that most pulpits in America teach God will judge and destroy in the future. That brings us to the Greek word for condemn. It basically means to pass a judicial sentence and carry that sentence out. The word saved is in the general sense because the kosmos cannot be given eternal life. It means healed, preserved, delivered out of a place danger into a place of safety. So the passage literally says God sent Jesus to heal the world rather than condemning it to destruction some day. Is the light bulb going off in some of the readers heads as to why this is not Christian doctrine? Because your church believes and the pastors and teachers teach, that God sent the Son to save individuals but he will judge the world and destroy it with fire some day. Then build a new one.​

The contradiction is especially striking because John 3:17 is actually a part the most famous Bible verse in the world. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever trusts in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. One would imagine one of the most quoted Bible verses in the world would merit special attention to the second part of the statement. But it seems to just be treated more like window dressing around John 3:16. This is the article's point. To show it is not window dressing but actually and indisputably the Bibles doctrine on the matter. There are many dozens of chapters in the Bible that verify John 3:17. In this article we'll go though a few passages that do.​

Revelation 22: 1 And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. Now according to those who's Christian teachings contradict John 3:17; this passage is a prophecy about a new physical heaven and earth that God will create after he judges our present earth and destroys it. According to their teachings there will be no sin or death in this place anymore- as per this and other passages. Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
The problem with this is the contradictions. Why do the nations need healed by the living water and the tree of life as per Rev. 22:1-2 if by definition they are already healed? To further demonstrate the contradiction, there is sin and death and pain and suffering. Rev. 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, the sexually immoral, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loves and makes a lie. 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that hears say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Notice how the bride speaks and says come? How does a physical\literal city speak. We'll get to more passages on this bride shortly. What I want you to take note of is where this living water comes from.​

Jesus speaking to the Samaritan woman in John 4:10 Jesus answered and said to her, If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that says to you, Give me drink; you would have asked of him, and he would have given you living water. 11 The woman said unto him, Sir, you hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from where do you get that living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank of it himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13 Jesus answered and said to her, Whosoever drinks of this water shall thirst again: 14 But whosoever drinks of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. In another place, John 7: 37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come to me, and drink. 38 He that believes on me, as the scripture has said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spoke he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified. So here you see very clearly that the living water is the Holy Spirit and the tree of life is the Word of God, the words of the prophets and apostles. That is why it says twelve fruits, or in Ezekiel's vision of the same thing, twelve trees. Those are just common illustrations of the Word of God coming to us through twelve tribes if Israel, ie the prophets and, the twelve Apostles. About that Word of God. Lets just look for a second at a passage of prophecy on just how the Bible heals the nations. then we'll get back to that bride.​

Isaiah 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness. 19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the LORD, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel. 20 For the terrible one is brought to nothing, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off: In the book of Daniel chapters 2 & 7 as well as the book of Revelation they prophesied an age of oppression for all believers measured by four gentile empires named as Babylon, Medo\Perisa, Greek and Roman. 597 BC - 1453 AD. It's not as if the gospel bore no fruit in the earth during this time. But it was not until the Bible made its way into the hands of the general public, highly illegal at the time, which began to occur immediately after the fall of that fourth empire that the despotic world ruled by kings, emperors and warlords saw the beginning of their end. That is who the terrible ones in verse 20 is referring to. It was Bible reading peoples who pioneered this present, promised, prophesied growing free world many of us now get to enjoy life in. That is what the healing of the nations means. The destruction of the madness of actually idolatry and the end of an the despotic ancient world. You see, John 3:17 is being fulfilled right before your eyes. Yes, it has to be won by winning souls with the river of life but also politically. You can't have the latter without the former. 7000 years of despotic rule by the terrible ones proved that.​

Follow the link to see the rest. Why Isn't John 3:17 Christian Doctrine?

 

[Douggg]

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 3:16-17 is Christian doctrine and applies to the salvation of human's souls.

2Peter3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 3:16-17 is Christian doctrine and applies to the salvation of human's souls.

2Peter3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Is the komos human souls? Or, logically speaking. Does the kosmos get transformed through the influnce of human souls that get transformed? Just like we are seeing. I mean for instance. How did we go from the world being universally run in perpetuity by tyrannical oppressors to half of it being run by republics based on objective truth. Not that there is not a full scale political and shooting wars to return to the ancient ways.
Except through what was prophesied? THIS-

Isaiah 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness. 19 The meek also shall increase [their] joy in the LORD, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.9 20 For the tyrannical oppressor is brought to nought.....

It's like people be thinking we went from sun worshiping government imposed priesthood that cut the beating hearts out of sacrificed victims with the worshipers cannibalizing their dead bodies to the US constitution by our own wisdom and goodness. Or by "science."