COVID vaccine hesitancy: Why people don't want the shot

[JustSomeBloke]

Which particular subset of the UK data do you want reviewed?

The link you provided is just a landing page.

As expected, technical briefing number 23 was released today. From page 20:

Vaxxed Delta variant deaths = 1779
Unvaxxed Delta variant deaths = 722

Here's a novel idea: Talk to your doctor.

One more time for those of you in the cheap seats:

Talk. To. YOUR. Doctor.

The doctor you go to for your annual checkup. The doctor who prescribes your blood pressure pills. The doctor you brought your daughter to when she had that rash on her arm.

Rather than trying to earn yourself a medical degree via Google, or scouring Youtube for videos confirming your suspicions, how about you go to the person you've already trusted in the past with the health and well-being of your family?

And if that Doctor tells you the vaccine is dangerous or unsafe, then we'll talk. OTOH, if they tell you you'll be fine... how about you listen to your doctor... again?

In normal times, talk to your doctor is excellent advice. But we're not living in normal times anymore, so unfortunately that's no longer the case. I've seen numerous anecdotes about people asking their doctor for advice on the covid vaccines, and not getting an unambiguous, straight answer.

What is happening is quite simple, but also very disturbing. Medical registration and licence to practice are a doctor's tools. If those are taken away then they lose their income, job and career in one massive hit.

Doctors are scared of being deregistered if they are reported as an 'anti-vaxxer', and dragged before a pro-vaxx malpractice panel. So they say as little as possible, or nothing at all when their patients ask for advice.

I've seen people online reporting that their doctor would only subtly hint that the vaccines are best avoided, in a wink-wink manner. And the patient nodded, winked back, said "I understand" and left the surgery knowing that was the best answer their doctor could provide.

 

[TLK Valentine]

In normal times, talk to your doctor is excellent advice. But we're not living in normal times anymore, so unfortunately that's no longer the case. I've seen numerous anecdotes about people asking their doctor for advice on the covid vaccines, and not getting an unambiguous, straight answer.

And when you asked your doctor, what did he say?

 

[rambot]

In normal times, talk to your doctor is excellent advice. But we're not living in normal times anymore, so unfortunately that's no longer the case. I've seen numerous anecdotes about people asking their doctor for advice on the covid vaccines, and not getting an unambiguous, straight answer.

Now, the BEST thing to do is harness our own lack of experience and knowledge to PIECES analyze data we barely understand to create our own ideas.

 

[rambot]

As expected, technical briefing number 23 was released today. From page 20:

Vaxxed Delta variant deaths = 1779
Unvaxxed Delta variant deaths = 722

Note: This data above is ONLY related to individuals who are infected with the DELTA variant. In addition, you will see a breakdown of the frequency of Delta variation infection on p13.
Sorry to say that the numbers you shared only account for, likely about 15%~ of the TOTAL numbers.
Were you aware of that?


They also outline the vaccine's effectiveness in the UK in dealing with variants (not hte original virus it was created for). There is a MARKED difference between vaccines. Interesting. It's on p34

 

[rambot]

As expected, technical briefing number 23 was released today. From page 20:

Vaxxed Delta variant deaths = 1779
Unvaxxed Delta variant deaths = 722

In normal times, talk to your doctor is excellent advice. But we're not living in normal times anymore, so unfortunately that's no longer the case. I've seen numerous anecdotes about people asking their doctor for advice on the covid vaccines, and not getting an unambiguous, straight answer.

What is happening is quite simple, but also very disturbing. Medical registration and licence to practice are a doctor's tools. If those are taken away then they lose their income, job and career in one massive hit.

Doctors are scared of being deregistered if they are reported as an 'anti-vaxxer', and dragged before a pro-vaxx malpractice panel. So they say as little as possible, or nothing at all when their patients ask for advice.

94% of doctors are vaccinated. I think that every single senator and representative have all been vaxxed.
As opposed "what is happenning is quite simple", I would argue that what is happenning is actually crazy complicated. Data is changing with each new set coming out. Doctors are constantly having to deal with COVID questions and cases. "Over the counter treatments" are still be investigated and tested as viable AND SAFE treatments for COVID and the messaging is being interpreted differently depending on what your opinion on those drugs are to begin with (Because non medical experts don't know what we are talking about).


Thing is: When things get unpredictable and difficult to understand, it is the human condition to create an understanding that they are able to understand; hence, conspiracy theories. They allow people to feel they know EXACTLY what is going on because it's "quite simple". I mean, it's totally untrue, but it allows people to feel they are more in control because they "understand"

I've seen people online reporting that their doctor would only subtly hint that the vaccines are best avoided, in a wink-wink manner. And the patient nodded, winked back, said "I understand" and left the surgery knowing that was the best answer their doctor could provide.

Oh! You've read it online?
Well, let's DEFINITELY take that as resounding and strong piece of evidence.

 

[Mayzoo]

Buddy of mine had someone constantly complaining about govt. intervention. Vaccine won't work. Every excuse.

After a few discussions it turns out he just REALLY hates needles.

And I wonder how many people are just in that boat.

I really hate them too. Turns out I love others in general and specifically my immune-compromised family member that cannot be vaccinated even more than I hate needles.

 

[KCfromNC]

As expected, technical briefing number 23 was released today. From page 20:

Vaxxed Delta variant deaths = 1779
Unvaxxed Delta variant deaths = 722

Looking at the vaccination rates (and not trying to sneak in people with 1 dose or less than 2 weeks past their second into the fully vaccinated group) this still shows the unvaccinated are over represented in the deaths. It's an artifact of having 80% or above of the most vulnerable group vaccinated.

 

[JustSomeBloke]

Looking at the vaccination rates (and not trying to sneak in people with 1 dose or less than 2 weeks past their second into the fully vaccinated group)

I'm happy to reclassify those as vaccine deaths, which is probably where they belong.

this still shows the unvaccinated are over represented in the deaths. It's an artifact of having 80% or above of the most vulnerable group vaccinated.

And yet, after all that jabbing, more people are dying!

7th Sepember 2020 - 15 deaths
7th September 2021 - 145 deaths

That's almost a factor of ten increase. But hey, don't question 'The Science', just keep jabbing!

 

[KCfromNC]

I'm happy to reclassify those as vaccine deaths, which is probably where they belong.

There's zero evidence that would make one want to do that.

And yet, after all that jabbing, more people are dying!

7th Sepember 2020 - 15 deaths
7th September 2021 - 145 deaths

I encourage people to follow the link and learn that this is an attempt to compare a low point in the pandemic pre-vaccine with close to the peak of the delta wave post-vaccine. Interested readers can look at the heights of the various peaks and see how much worse the peaks were pre-vaccine compared to now, even with delta being worse. Seems like a textbook example of a vaccine working.

 

[chad kincham]

This is how useful VAERS is to base numbers on:
"I watched the Simpsons last night at my buddy's house. On my home I got hit by a car! I'm never watching The Simpsons at my buddy's house again!"

There is no correlative LET ALONE causative connection between a vaccine and its side effect.

You get a vaccine and you have a heart attack 8 days later....up it goes on VAERS. ABSOLUTELY no link made; it's just they happenned around the same time.

I mean, besides your use of the phrase "massive numbers" when 7000 is just NOT a massive number in the context of the number of vaccines adminstered.

In the past they cancelled a vaccine after 35 people died.

To date over 14,000 have died from the COVID vaccines, and that’s just the ones who died from it over two weeks from the time of the vaccine - because they are manipulating the stats by not counting anyone as vaccinated for two weeks after the jab - and 80% of those who die after it are within the 14 days.

Their deaths are thus listed as being unvaccinated - the claimed surge in unvaccinated deaths, is in reality the surge in vaccinated deaths.

 

[chad kincham]

There's zero evidence that would make one want to do that.



I encourage people to follow the link and learn that this is an attempt to compare a low point in the pandemic pre-vaccine with close to the peak of the delta wave post-vaccine. Interested readers can look at the heights of the various peaks and see how much worse the peaks were pre-vaccine compared to now, even with delta being worse. Seems like a textbook example of a vaccine working.

It’s a textbook example of manipulation of data.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

As expected, technical briefing number 23 was released today. From page 20:

Vaxxed Delta variant deaths = 1779
Unvaxxed Delta variant deaths = 722

Actually, that first number should be 1,613.

Are you controlling for group population sizes among the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups? as well as the fact that the unvaccinated group skews younger? And that it's only taking into account the cases specifically sequenced and genotyped Delta? (and not every single positive result gets sequenced)

UK has had over 7 million cases, only 600k have been sequenced, which means less than 10% of cases get sequenced.

Right out of the gate, if you control for the fact that there's 3 vaccinated people for every 1 unvaccinated person in the UK, that automatically shifts those numbers in favor of the vaccinated.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Totally agree. One of the reasons for not getting vaxxed from someone I know was because it was not FDA approved and for emergency use only. This same person has 8-10 bottles of various "naturopathic" supplements on their counter, which ironically, are NOT FDA approved and have the typical disclaimer that the FDA has not evaluated any of the claims made on the bottles.

Yep, I mentioned before in a few posts, there's a distinct irony to it.

In addition to point of irony you mentioned...

The other big reason for refusal is "we don't know what's in it!".

Most herbal and naturopathic supplements conceal their ingredients behind vague line items like this

Yet, when it comes to those things, the "what's in it?" question seems to become less important to them for some reason.


Or the "It's new, we don't know the long term effects" argument they often present. Regeneron Covid Monoclonal Antibody treatment is "new" too, yet, because right leaning governors tout that one, the "newness" doesn't seem to bother them all that much.


Or the fun one, when they won't take the Pfizer vaccine because they "don't trust Pfizer", but gladly tout Azithromycin (Zithromax)...made by, you guessed it, Pfizer.

 

[JustSomeBloke]

Are you controlling for group population sizes among the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups?

I already did all of that a long time ago. If you want to do something with the data, or have a better method, please go ahead.

 

[bèlla]

I would like to see adults behave that way. We have no jurisdiction over anyone’s body. Whether you’re for it or against it. The preaching, threats, and hysteria have gotten ridiculous. The political and religious tangents are just as bad. I’m sick of it.

~bella

 

[chad kincham]

Basic science: blood clots are a known and leading cause of heart attacks.

Were vaccines confirmed as causing blood clots?

Yes.

What does the heart do? It pumps blood. What does a blood clot do? It restricts blood flow, which naturally affects the heart.

"Absolutely no link made" is an interesting way to describe it.

There are 50 billion spiked proteins injected with the jab - those spikes damage arteries, causing bleeding and thus clots.

 

[chad kincham]

This exposes the globalist agenda for control of the population through the COVID plandemic:

You are being redirected...

 

[TLK Valentine]

This exposes the globalist agenda for control of the population through the COVID plandemic:

You are being redirected...

Fascinating. What does your doctor say?

 

[KCfromNC]

It’s a textbook example of manipulation of data.

Yes, I agree - trying to compare a lull in the pandemic pre-vaccine with the current delta peak isn't an honest attempt to quantify vaccine effectiveness.

 

[KCfromNC]

I already did all of that a long time ago.

You analysis there assumes that covid death rates nor vaccination rates are uniform across age groups, but we know that isn't true.