COVID vaccine hesitancy: Why people don't want the shot

[Tinker Grey]

A good rule of thumb when making assumptions about the rest of humanity:

They are EXACTLY as corrupt as you.

Roughly true, I'd say, given the idea of projection. "You are as corrupt as you think they are."

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Ahhhh the internet: Where we are all doctors.

These two memes pretty much sum up the current state of affairs lol.

 

[rambot]

I do not go to the doctor so really i can not voice an opinion. I went about 3 years ago to the local orthopedic doctor to repair a torn distal bicep tendon. that has been about it. I take my mom (92) every few months to the general practitioner just for her check up.

wow. Must be truly, amazing. And I'm guessing that probably adds to why you wouldn't trust doctors so quickly.

I've been in the hospital like (I'm counting ermgency here...), 3 or 4 times in that last two years.....it's been ridiculous actually: broken ankle needing surgery (slip on ice....TERRIBLE fall); kidney stones, mononucleosis.

I have several lingering health issues; most surrounding my thyroid (since irradiated) and liver. I see my doctor quasi-frequently. He is excellent and I absolutely trust his diagnoses. Perhaps I'm actually lucky because my sister had been to several doctors and specialists for leg pain (diagnosed as "Compartment syndrome). EVen underwent 4 surgeries until, by TOTAL LUCK she went to see my doctor (same clinic but different doctors) and my doctor diagnosed her with MS. Sad because it's basically untreatable but at least she knows.

Needless to say, if MY doctor says wear a mask get vaxxed and be smart, I ABSOLUTELY trust it (actually, even if he got behind ivermectin I would likely be swayed). BUT at this point, he is NOT convinced, and so I trust him there too.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Which particular subset of the UK data do you want reviewed?

The link you provided is just a landing page.

With regards to vaccinated vs. unvaccinated (IE: breakthroughs)
DEFINE_ME

The Lancet has a large peer reviewed study on the matter

However, CBS gives a more concise breakdown for those who don't feel like reading through
Study finds low rate of COVID-19 "breakthrough" infections, fewer symptoms in vaccinated people - CBS News

In a separate report, found here
Covid-19 Study in England Shows Few Deaths Among Vaccinated People

640 coronavirus deaths in the first half of 2021 among people who had received two shots and more than 50,000 among those who hadn’t

The rates of deaths between vaccinated and unvaccinated show a similar disparity much like my state of Ohio did.
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Both are almost in the exact same ball park, with a ratio of roughly 78:1 where for every 1 vaccinated breakthrough death, there are 78 deaths among unvaccinated.

Here's Texas. 99.5% of Covid deaths since February are among the unvaccinated: Texas has seen nearly 9,000 COVID-19 deaths since February. All but 43 were unvaccinated people.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Here's Texas. 99.5% of Covid deaths since February are among the unvaccinated: Texas has seen nearly 9,000 COVID-19 deaths since February. All but 43 were unvaccinated people.

Yep, it's not even close.

Many in the anti-vaccine camp try to portray it as "if any deaths happen among vaccinated, that means that it's no better to be vaccinated...see! vaccinated and unvaccinated both die from covid", while ignoring the vast disparity in the rates and likelihood.

It's about as intellectually dishonest as saying "see, that one guy who was wearing his seatbelt still died in a car accident just like that one guy who wasn't wearing one, that means seatbelts are pointless"


Or they shift the focus to breakthrough "cases", after insisting for months and months that "cases" wasn't a worthwhile metric.

 

[BigDaddy4]

If I take a vaccination, then I will facilitate the imposition of vaccine passports, as it's not a workable system for controlling the population unless the vast majority of the population voluntarily enter the system by taking tests, accepting vaccinations, and giving their money to venues that require a vaccine passport.

Rather just the opposite. By NOT taking the vaccine, it is more likely some kind of vaccine passport or proof of vaccination would occur simply because COVID and it's many variants are still around. If you DID take the vaccine, you would be helping to diminish or eradicate the virus and, therefore, eliminate the need for any vaccine passport.

 

[d taylor]

wow. Must be truly, amazing. And I'm guessing that probably adds to why you wouldn't trust doctors so quickly.

I've been in the hospital like (I'm counting ermgency here...), 3 or 4 times in that last two years.....it's been ridiculous actually: broken ankle needing surgery (slip on ice....TERRIBLE fall); kidney stones, mononucleosis.

I have several lingering health issues; most surrounding my thyroid (since irradiated) and liver. I see my doctor quasi-frequently. He is excellent and I absolutely trust his diagnoses. Perhaps I'm actually lucky because my sister had been to several doctors and specialists for leg pain (diagnosed as "Compartment syndrome). EVen underwent 4 surgeries until, by TOTAL LUCK she went to see my doctor (same clinic but different doctors) and my doctor diagnosed her with MS. Sad because it's basically untreatable but at least she knows.

Needless to say, if MY doctor says wear a mask get vaxxed and be smart, I ABSOLUTELY trust it (actually, even if he got behind ivermectin I would likely be swayed). BUT at this point, he is NOT convinced, and so I trust him there too.

I hate to hear of peoples health problems, i hope you and your sister will be given by God and your doctors the help you need to experience a better life with your health in future.

I can see how building a trust with a doctor who you see quite often is important and relying on and with decisions concerning the treatments given to you. That goes a long way in the healing process to have confidence in the doctor treating you.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Here's a novel idea: Talk to your doctor.

One more time for those of you in the cheap seats:

Talk. To. YOUR. Doctor.

The doctor you go to for your annual checkup. The doctor who prescribes your blood pressure pills. The doctor you brought your daughter to when she had that rash on her arm.

Rather than trying to earn yourself a medical degree via Google, or scouring Youtube for videos confirming your suspicions, how about you go to the person you've already trusted in the past with the health and well-being of your family?

And if that Doctor tells you the vaccine is dangerous or unsafe, then we'll talk. OTOH, if they tell you you'll be fine... how about you listen to your doctor... again?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Here's a novel idea: Talk to your doctor.

One more time for those of you in the cheap seats:

Talk. To. YOUR. Doctor.

The doctor you go to for your annual checkup. The doctor who prescribes your blood pressure pills. The doctor you brought your daughter to when she had that rash on her arm.

Rather than trying to earn yourself a medical degree via Google, or scouring Youtube for videos confirming your suspicions, how about you go to the person you've already trusted in the past with the health and well-being of your family?

That's one of the big issues with this, I personally know of people who've scrapped their regular doctor (of many years) specifically because their doctor refused to placate their anti-vaccine sentiments, and now have found "alternative medicine" practitioners who they're calling their "main doctor".

I've mentioned this in the past, but my dad's side of the family (who you'd think would've learned their lesson when my dad died of cancer in April, because his 'naturopathic doctor' was trying to treat his metastatic melanoma with colloidal silver and ginseng) are deeply rooted in various forms of quackery.

Half of that side of the family have written off their regular GPs over the last 2 years because "they're a bunch of pill pushers and pharma shills" (their words, not mine) and instead started treating their chiropractors and 'holistic doctors' as their "main doctors" simply because the charlatans are willing to repeat their opinions back to them.

My one uncle stopped seeing his GP (who was also helping to manage his high blood pressure) in favor of a naturopath, simply because his GP was telling him he was an "at-risk" person and should get the vaccine. He instead opted to go with the guy who was telling him "Just supplement with vitamin D, which you can incidentally buy right here in the store out front, and that'll protect you better than the vaccine will, and won't expose you to the toxins that are in the vaccine"

There are literally people out there that are choosing which kind of practitioner they want to work with, solely on the criteria of "is this person for or against the covid vaccine?"

Basically, if a person calls themselves "Doctor" (no matter how ridiculous the premise of their practice is) and is also against vaccines, anti-vaxxer types will start pretending that they're the smartest guys in the world.

 

[TLK Valentine]

That's one of the big issues with this, I personally know of people who've scrapped their regular doctor (of many years) specifically because their doctor refused to placate their anti-vaccine sentiments, and now have found "alternative medicine" practitioners who they're calling their "main doctor".

I've mentioned this in the past, but my dad's side of the family (who you'd think would've learned their lesson when my dad died of cancer in April, because his 'naturopathic doctor' was trying to treat his metastatic melanoma with colloidal silver and ginseng) are deeply rooted in various forms of quackery.

Half of that side of the family have written off their regular GPs over the last 2 years because "they're a bunch of pill pushers and pharma shills" (their words, not mine) and instead started treating their chiropractors and 'holistic doctors' as their "main doctors" simply because the charlatans are willing to repeat their opinions back to them.

My one uncle stopped seeing his GP (who was also helping to manage his high blood pressure) in favor of a naturopath, simply because his GP was telling him he was an "at-risk" person and should get the vaccine. He instead opted to go with the guy who was telling him "Just supplement with vitamin D, which you can incidentally buy right here in the store out front, and that'll protect you better than the vaccine will, and won't expose you to the toxins that are in the vaccine"

There are literally people out there that are choosing which kind of practitioner they want to work with, solely on the criteria of "is this person for or against the covid vaccine?"

Basically, if a person calls themselves "Doctor" (no matter how ridiculous the premise of their practice is) and is also against vaccines, anti-vaxxer types will start pretending that they're the smartest guys in the world.

Perhaps they were getting (bad) advice from talking heads such as Dick Farrel, Phil Valentine, Bob Enyart, Marc Bernier, Robert Steele, Caleb Wallace, and/or Pressley Stutts?

...all of whom were outspoken Conservative public figures,
...all of whom were passionate anti-vaxxers and/or anti-maskers,
...all of whom contracted COVID,

...and all of whom are now dead.

As the leaders fall by their own foolishness, the followers will either wise up or die off...

...obviously the former would be preferable.

 

[rambot]

Here's a novel idea: Talk to your doctor.

One more time for those of you in the cheap seats:

Talk. To. YOUR. Doctor.

The doctor you go to for your annual checkup. The doctor who prescribes your blood pressure pills. The doctor you brought your daughter to when she had that rash on her arm.

Rather than trying to earn yourself a medical degree via Google, or scouring Youtube for videos confirming your suspicions, how about you go to the person you've already trusted in the past with the health and well-being of your family?

And if that Doctor tells you the vaccine is dangerous or unsafe, then we'll talk. OTOH, if they tell you you'll be fine... how about you listen to your doctor... again?

The stupidity of it all is that likely would have worked best. Fauci is great and all but when it comes to MY health I will listen to my doctor 100%.

And I believe the vast majority of people would agree with that.

 

[rambot]

Here is a very very important chart that Republicans SHOULD heed. I don't really care about your policies if you get vaxxed.

Tell you what, I'll give you virtual high 5.

I mean it's nothing but great news for democrats, so long as survivors don't come out the other side crazier

 

[JustSomeBloke]

Which particular subset of the UK data do you want reviewed?

The link you provided is just a landing page.

I already created a thread based on technical briefing number 18. They are now on technical briefing number 22. However, if you wait about another 12-24 hours then technical briefing 23 will probably be released, as I think they are published on alternate Fridays before the end of the day. In my opinion, the data suggests that the vaccines don't have much impact, as unvaccinated people are not highly over represented in terms of number of deaths.

Here's the link again for the technical briefings.

And here's the link for the vaccinations dashboard.

Feel free to create a new thread if you think you can make something of the latest Delta variant deaths statistics when they are released on Friday.

 

[JustSomeBloke]

Here is a very very important chart that Republicans SHOULD heed. I don't really care about your policies if you get vaxxed.

Tell you what, I'll give you virtual high 5.

I mean it's nothing but great news for democrats, so long as survivors don't come out the other side crazier

That's hardly surprising, as Trump voters are likely to be older than the average population, and age is a well known covid risk factor.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

A good rule of thumb when making assumptions about the rest of humanity:

They are EXACTLY as corrupt as you.

And YOU.

"THEY HAVE ALL TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME CORRUPT; THERE IS NO ONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE.”—Romans 3:12

 

[rambot]

And YOU.

"THEY HAVE ALL TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME CORRUPT; THERE IS NO ONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE.”—Romans 3:12

I think that's called quote mining.

 

[rambot]

That's hardly surprising, as Trump voters are likely to be older than the average population, and age is a well known covid risk factor.

Does that mean that Republicans should OR should not be messaging that their supporters should be getting vaccinated and making more proactive choices about their health?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

In addition to not getting the vaccine they should not be voting either because the system is corrupt. Shoot themselves in the foot all over the place.

 

[BigDaddy4]

That's one of the big issues with this, I personally know of people who've scrapped their regular doctor (of many years) specifically because their doctor refused to placate their anti-vaccine sentiments, and now have found "alternative medicine" practitioners who they're calling their "main doctor".

I've mentioned this in the past, but my dad's side of the family (who you'd think would've learned their lesson when my dad died of cancer in April, because his 'naturopathic doctor' was trying to treat his metastatic melanoma with colloidal silver and ginseng) are deeply rooted in various forms of quackery.

Half of that side of the family have written off their regular GPs over the last 2 years because "they're a bunch of pill pushers and pharma shills" (their words, not mine) and instead started treating their chiropractors and 'holistic doctors' as their "main doctors" simply because the charlatans are willing to repeat their opinions back to them.

My one uncle stopped seeing his GP (who was also helping to manage his high blood pressure) in favor of a naturopath, simply because his GP was telling him he was an "at-risk" person and should get the vaccine. He instead opted to go with the guy who was telling him "Just supplement with vitamin D, which you can incidentally buy right here in the store out front, and that'll protect you better than the vaccine will, and won't expose you to the toxins that are in the vaccine"

There are literally people out there that are choosing which kind of practitioner they want to work with, solely on the criteria of "is this person for or against the covid vaccine?"

Basically, if a person calls themselves "Doctor" (no matter how ridiculous the premise of their practice is) and is also against vaccines, anti-vaxxer types will start pretending that they're the smartest guys in the world.

Totally agree. One of the reasons for not getting vaxxed from someone I know was because it was not FDA approved and for emergency use only. This same person has 8-10 bottles of various "naturopathic" supplements on their counter, which ironically, are NOT FDA approved and have the typical disclaimer that the FDA has not evaluated any of the claims made on the bottles.

 

[rambot]

Totally agree. One of the reasons for not getting vaxxed from someone I know was because it was not FDA approved and for emergency use only. This same person has 8-10 bottles of various "naturopathic" supplements on their counter, which ironically, are NOT FDA approved and have the typical disclaimer that the FDA has not evaluated any of the claims made on the bottles.

Buddy of mine had someone constantly complaining about govt. intervention. Vaccine won't work. Every excuse.

After a few discussions it turns out he just REALLY hates needles.

And I wonder how many people are just in that boat.