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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by keras, Aug 21, 2018.

  1. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

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    Because that's not when Jesus descends upon the earth. At the second coming, when Jesus does come to earth, the kings of the earth have gathered to make war against Him. (Revelation 19:19)

    But at the 6th Seal, the kings of the earth are hiding and afraid. (Revelation 6:15-16).

    Revelation 19:17-19 King James Version (KJV)
    17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
    18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
    19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.


    At the 6th Seal, the kings of the earth are hiding and afraid.


    Revelation 6:15-16 King James Version (KJV)
    15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
    16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

    Revelation 6:12-17 and Matthew 24:29-30 are not the same event. When Jesus does come to earth, the kings of the earth and it's armies are assembled for war against Christ at Armageddon, not hiding under rocks.



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    You're not understanding what the bible is describing in Revelation 6:12-17 and Matthew 24:29-30. You're listening to this video too much. Two different verses with the same words: sun, moon and stars does not make them parallel passages.



    Parallel passages or not? Lets just conclude they're all talking about the same thing because the wording looks similar in all the verses below.

    Ecclesiastes 12:2
    While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:

    Isaiah 13:10
    For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

    Jeremiah 31:35
    Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

    Ezekiel 32:7
    And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.
     
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  2. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    This thread was started to discuss the possibility/ probability of another catastrophe dramatically changing the world.
    Two members here have very rudely hi-jacked it and had a to and fro argument of nonsense.
    Unless they can make a proper contribution to the subject, then please go elsewhere.

    That there WILL be some very disastrous events to come, is quite plain from all the prophesies.
    We who study those prophesies should be aware of what God has planned for His Creation.
     
  3. keras

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    Isaiah 54:16b I, the Lord, created the Destroyer, to wreak destruction.
    Jeremiah 4:7 A lion has risen from his lair – the Destroyer of nations. He has come out of hiding and will devastate the nations.

    Ezekiel 7:8-19 Very soon I shall vent My wrath onto the Land of Israel. I shall call them to account for their bad conduct and their abominations. I shall neither pity nor spare them, they will suffer for their sins. They will know that is was the Lord who struck them.
    The Day is coming, doom is here – it bursts upon them, the Lord’s retribution and punishment for their many sins. The time has come! The Day has arrived! The war Trumpet has sounded, but no-one goes to war, for their turmoil has called forth My wrath. Outside is the Destroyer, inside is pestilence and famine, those out in the country will die and if any escape to hiding places, there I will kill them for their iniquity. Everyone will be terrified, their hands will hang limp and people will wet their pants with fright. None of their riches or possessions will save them on the terrible day of the Lord’s fury.


    Jeremiah 8:12-16 The whole earth trembles as the Destroyer comes. It devastates the land, all it produces is burned. City and citizens alike will fall with a great crash on the Day of the Lord’s Reckoning. 2 Peter 3:10

    Isaiah 6:11cities are ruined and deserted, without any people left in them. The holy Land lies ruined and wasted. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.

    “In the year of 2453, [1495 BCE] it was written on ancient scrolls, that a comet was seen. It looked like a fiery disk and it caused many deaths on earth”. J.Hevelius 1668.

    In Pliny’s second book, he describes this disastrous event: “It was fiery red, in the shape of a globe, of terrible aspect and was the cause of many plagues, evils and hunger. It is said that at that time king Typhon ruled in Egypt and this comet is named after him”. [Kings of that time usually had several names.]

    1495 BCE is the date of the Exodus of the Israelites from Egypt, when they were led to the Promised Land by a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night.

    The Maya people recorded: “In the days of the great cataclysm, when the earth quaked and the sun’s motion was interrupted, the waters in the river turned to blood”.

    From the Papyrus Ipuwer: “The river is blood, plague is throughout the land, death is everywhere”.

    The first effect of this comet was a shower of fine red dust, covering the earth. Then came a hail of fiery stones accompanied by the fall of a sticky substance that was inflammable and caused great walls of fire that flared across the land. [Exodus 9:22-25] After the poisoned waters and fires, came darkness and hurricane winds, that lasted for seven days. It took up to 15 years for the atmosphere to clear and everything to settle down, resulting in a very changed world.


    Bible prophecy warns us of how the Lord will once again ‘take vengeance on His enemies’, Isaiah 63:1-6. Then we are told there will be a greater second Exodus of the Lord’s righteous people, to live in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16

    In His Day of Reckoning, it seems that a Destroyer, like comet Typhon, will come and once again wreak havoc on the earth. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
     
  4. keras

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    Psalms 2:8 & Psalms 110:5-6 I; [God] give You [Jesus] the nations as Your domain, the earth to its furthest ends as Your possession. The Lord at Your right hand, [Jesus] will crush the rulers of the whole earth on the Day of His wrath. In glorious majesty He will judge the nations, breaking them with His rod of iron, shattering them like a clay pot, heaping up the dead around the world. Habakkuk 3:12, 2 Peter 3:7

    This terrible, worldwide judgement/punishment has not happened, as yet. Now we are in the end times and as we approach the time of Jesus’ Return, many prophesied things must take place. Even now, there is a push toward a New World Order, a global government, but to enable this to be set up, there has to be some kind of disaster, a dramatic change in our current situation, that will induce the nations to give up their sovereignty. What it is that the Lord will use to carry out this sudden and shocking event, has to be something that can be looked upon as a natural disaster, so most survivors can continue in their disbelief of a Creator and give their allegiance to the dictator of this world government. Many prophecies tell us of this forthcoming judgement of the nations, a global disaster of Noahic proportions, this time of fire, earthquakes and storm winds. Deut. 32:22 & 34-35, Isaiah 66:15-16, Rev. 6:12-17

    Haggai 2:6In a little while from now, I shall shake the heavens and the earthHebrews 12:26
    “In a little while”, 1000 years equals 1 day to the Lord, so nearly 3 days? Isaiah 42:14-15

    Some scriptures of what will happen on that Day:

    In Israel [Judah] –

    Zephaniah 1:4-18 I shall stretch out My hand over Judah, over all that live in Jerusalem. On the Day of the Lord’s sacrifice, I shall wipe out all traces of idol worship I will punish all those complacent people. All who commit crimes of violence and fraud will fall with a great crash. The great Day of the Lord is near and coming fast - His Day of wrath and distress onto the peoples. Their blood and guts will pour out like dung upon the ground and nothing can save them from the fire of His judgement. He will make a sudden and terrible end to all who live in the holy Land. Isaiah 22:14, Jeremiah 10:18, Jeremiah 25:30-33, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Matthew 21:41-43

    In other Middle Eastern countries:

    Ezekiel 30:2-5 Wail! Alas for the Day, the Day of the Lord is near. A Day of reckoning for the nations. A Day of disaster for Egypt; they will fall by the sword of the Lord’s slaughter. All the Arab nations, the Africans, Libyans and peoples of that area will be killed along with Egypt. Zephaniah 2:12, Isaiah 29:8-12, Amos 1:2-15 & 2:1-5

    Isaiah 34:5-8 The sword of the Lord will appear in the sky and descend in judgement upon Edom, onto a people doomed for destruction. His sword is sated with blood, for on His Day of vengeance, the Lord has a sacrifice in Bozrah and a slaughter in Edom. Isaiah 63:1-6, Ezekiel 35:1-15, Jeremiah 49:1-39

    In Edom, a metaphor for all the ungodly peoples.

    Bozrah, means – glad tidings in Hebrew, but is also the name given to a sheepfold, so it refers to where the Lord’s faithful Christian people live, scattered among the nations.


    Acts 2:19 I will show wonders in the sky above and signs on the earth: blood, fire and smoke

    This terrible disaster that will strike the earth is not unprecedented. There has been events that have caused mass extinctions and Noah’s Flood destroyed the entire antediluvian world.

    The Lord’s Day of wrath, Revelation 6:12-17, will be ‘the Rod of Iron’, as He punishes the nations, Jeremiah 9:25-26, Ezekiel 32:20-32, and our world will never be the same again.


    Isaiah 30:15In calm detachment lies your safety, your strength in quiet trust. Isaiah 51:6

    We who trust the Lord and keep His commandments have the promises of His protection on the Day and then the great prophecies of His people gathering and settling into all of the holy Land will come to pass. Isaiah 62:1-5, Zechariah 9:14-17
     
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    And how many of those Old Testament passages have the sun turning black, and the stars falling to the earth, and a reference to the Lamb of God or Christ?

    That would be zero.

    How many New Testament passages have the sun turning black, and the stars falling to the earth, and a reference to the Lamb of God or Christ?

    That would be Matthew chapter 24, and Revelation chapter 6.

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  6. keras

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    The Bible tells us of how in the past, the Lord has performed acts of destruction upon the world and of salvation for His people. It seems that most, if not all of these events took place within his Laws of Creation, that is: they didn’t break the Law of gravity, for example.

    In Noah’s time, the Lord used a great flood of water to reset the civilization of that time. Often He used people, like Gideon to destroy ungodly peoples. At the time of the Exodus of the Israelites from Egypt, it was recorded by the Bible [Exodus 9:23-24] and by many other societies that there were terrible fires and hailstones caused by a comet passing close by the earth. The red dust of this comets [Typhon] debris made all outside water un-drinkable.

    Paul plainly tells us in 1 Corinthians 10:11 that what happened at that time, was recorded as a warning for us, upon whom the end of the age has come.


    Acts 2:17-21 [quoting Joel 2:28-32] In the last days… I will show wonders in the sky above and signs on the earth below – blood and fire and clouds of smoke

    This fits with the over 100 prophecies about the Day of the Lord’s wrath: plainly prophesied as a Coronal Mass Ejection of unprecedented magnitude. This worldwide disaster will induce the nations establish a One World Government, but all the Lord’s faithful; Christian peoples will go to and settle in all of the holy Land. Revelation 7:9 Then; after all that is prophesied to take place, has happened, the Lord Jesus will Return for His Millennial reign.


    Imagine if – a huge coronal mass ejection fireball strikes the earth. Isaiah 30:25-28
    This has happened, the Carrington event and many smaller ones. Scientists and astronomers expect it to happen again. It has only been that recent CMEs have been small or not directed toward earth, that we have been relatively unaffected.

    Imagine if – the tectonic plates shift, causing worldwide earthquakes. Isaiah 24:19, Jeremiah 4:24 The microwaves of a massive CME would cause the earth crust to heat up, triggering earthquakes and volcanoes. Deuteronomy 32:22, Revelation 6:12-14

    Imagine if – the lakes and oceans slosh around like water in a bathtub. Amos 9:6b, Nahum 1:8, Jeremiah 51:42 Massive tsunamis would inundate all the coastal lands and destroy all the cities and habitations near the water’s edge. We do experience tsunamis in localized areas, that have devastated low lying places and caused high loss of life.

    Imagine if – the earth is moved from her place. Isaiah 13:13, Psalms 18:7
    Either the hit from a multi-million ton CME mass, or the gravity pull from a comet can change the earth’s orbit speed. The ancient Egyptian, Babylonian, Mayan, etc, all had calendars with a 360 day year. But in circa 1495 BCE, this changed and our orbit slowed to a 365.24 day year. Comet Typhon caused that and we can expect another earth shaking and moving event to happen, thereby making the prophesied time periods given to us in Daniel and Revelation to be correct.

    Imagine a very different world. Micah 5:15, Zeph. 3:8 Millions will be killed, virtually all our modern infrastructure destroyed, cities uninhabitable, with ash clouds darkening the sky. But we who trust in the Lord’s protection and call upon Him in this terrifying time, will be saved, Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, and we look forward to the great gathering and settling of His faithful Christian people in the new country of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Revelation 7:9

    Hosea 14:9 Let the wise consider these things and the discerning will understand them. The righteous walk in His ways, but the transgressors will fall.
     
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    Jos 3:11 Behold, the ark of the covenant of the Lord of all the earth passeth over before you into Jordan.
    Jos 3:12 Now therefore take you twelve men out of the tribes of Israel, out of every tribe a man.
    Jos 3:13 And it shall come to pass, as soon as the soles of the feet of the priests that bear the ark of the LORD, the Lord of all the earth, shall rest in the waters of Jordan, that the waters of Jordan shall be cut off from the waters that come down from above; and they shall stand upon an heap.
    Jos 3:14 And it came to pass, when the people removed from their tents, to pass over Jordan, and the priests bearing the ark of the covenant before the people;
    Jos 3:15 And as they that bare the ark were come unto Jordan, and the feet of the priests that bare the ark were dipped in the brim of the water, (for Jordan overfloweth all his banks all the time of harvest,)
    Jos 3:16 That the waters which came down from above stood and rose up upon an heap very far from the city Adam, that is beside Zaretan: and those that came down toward the sea of the plain, even the salt sea, failed, and were cut off: and the people passed over right against Jericho.
    Jos 3:17 And the priests that bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD stood firm on dry ground in the midst of Jordan, and all the Israelites passed over on dry ground, until all the people were passed clean over Jordan.

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  8. keras

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    BaBerean,
    Can you not find a real miracle, one that actually defies natural Laws? The Jordan does pass thru some narrow parts and landslips blocking the river are not unusual. I know the description of what happened in Joshua 3, seems supernatural and maybe it was.
    The parting of the Red sea by Moses was by a powerful East wind. Exodus 14:21

    My point is that what God will use on His Day of wrath, will be thought of as a natural event; so the secular peoples can carry on in their disbelief of God.
    But you and most others want to deny that anything bad or dramatic, is going to happen. This attitude simply leaves you in the dark about what God has so plainly told us that He will do.
     
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    70AD is when it all happened. That's when the prophecies came true.
     
  10. keras

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    I don't buy that.
    In no way has God's Plans for His people, all the faithful believers in Him, been fulfilled. There is a lot to happen yet and we should be prepared spiritually and physically for it.
    Throwing the prophesies into history is a serious error and leaves you without a hope for the future.
     
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    When Christ returns "in flaming fire" as described in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 it is going to be about as bad as it could ever get for the unbelievers.

    I am not the one denying that this event is going to occur.

    I am not the one who is denying that it will be a dramatic event?

    It is you who is attempting to ignore this text to make your CME theory work.

    In all the time that you have attempted to sell your CME theory on this forum, how many have bought the idea?


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    I don't know how many are capable of reading what is plainly prophesied. Your denial of what Isaiah 30:26a states, shows the difficulty that you have.
    Thinking that Jesus will actually appear as a flaming fire, is where you go wrong. Plenty of other verses say: the Lord will send fire. Psalms 11:4-6, Amos 1, Malachi 4:1
    The prophecy in 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 is obviously NOT the Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign. He is only revealed to His own after the Lord's Day of wrath. Proved by Revelation 14:1
     
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    2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
    2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
    2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
    2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


    2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
    2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
    2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
    2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

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    You have your 'view', I have mine. I don't see what you see. Ok, I still believe Jesus will return but I don't think that there will be all the problems happening like what you believe,
     
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    I do not see what is prophesied to happen between now and the glorious Return of Jesus; as any kind of 'problem'. I look forward with great anticipation for all that is Written to happen.
    Not so good for those who reject God, but fantastic for all who stand firm in their faith for the Lord's protection.
    What will make it more difficult for you and many others, is the failure to read and understand what the Lord has planned for our future. We have been given enough information about the end times, to be prepared, spiritually and physically for all that must happen. To discount it, is to make a large amount of the Bible irrelevant. Not really wise, is it?
     
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    Again, it's how 'you' read it compared to me. I don't see it the way 'you' do.
     
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    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

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    Romans 2:1 New Living Translation (NLT)
    You may think you can condemn such people, but you are just as bad, and you have no excuse! When you say they are wicked and should be punished, you are condemning yourself, for you who judge others do these very same things.

    Matthew 7:1-3 New Living Translation (NLT)
    1 “Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. 2 For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged.
    3 “And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye when you have a log in your own?

    You should familiarize yourself on hypocritically judging others mentioned in Romans 2:1 and Matthew 7:3 because the same can be said about you with the many videos you link that are utterly unbiblical like this one.



    In all the time that you have attempted to sell your videos on this forum, how many have bought a copy?
     
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    As someone who claims to be a Baptist, if you can go back to the time of the American Revolutionary War and clearly show 5 Baptist preachers of that time who taught a pretrib removal of the Church, you might have an argument.

    Otherwise you are one of the people that the DVD "Left Behind or Led Astray" is intended for.

    I did not produce that video, but I have purchased two copies of it.

    Based on thousands of pages of commentary and sermons written at the time of the Revolutionary War, the pretrib doctrine was absent from almost all Baptist churches in America.

    A friend of mine was in training with a Baptist pastor, when he starting having doubts about the pretrib doctrine. When his supervising pastor discovered this, he made a personal attack upon my friend, and refused to even discuss the issue. My friend had to start his training all over again with another pastor.
    This case is one of many.
    If the pretrib doctrine was the truth, personal attacks would not be needed to defend it.

    The links below prove that the pretrib doctrine is of recent origin.

    Are you afraid to let those sitting in the pews see the truth about your doctrine?


    PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
    with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
    F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) pages 10-26
    http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418


    Lacunza, Manuel, “Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty“
    http://www.regal-network.com/dispensationalism/pdfs.htm


    Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine
    Pastor Tim Warner
    http://www.4windsfellowships.net/articles/rapture_23.pdf


    Pretribulationist Revisionism
    (Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints)
    Pastor Tim Warner
    http://www.4windsfellowships.net/articles/rapture_22.pdf


    Author Tim LaHaye’s fictional books and movies known as the “Left Behind” series have convinced millions of modern Christians that the Pretrib doctrine is scriptural. Look at his quote below and consider carefully which viewpoint is the oldest.


    "It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the

    post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view."


    Tim LaHaye, "Rapture Under Attack", page 197,

    Multnomath Publishers, Inc., 1998



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    I can easily name "5" people teaching the Pre Tribulation rapture during the time of the American civil war just by looking at the link you provided.

    1) Morgan Edwards
    2) Manuel de Lacunza
    3) Edward Irving
    4) Margaret MacDonald
    5) Robert Baxter
    6) Robert Norton
    7) Samuel P. Tregelles
    8) John Nelson Darby

    Good luck trying to find one person pushing your doctrine during the American civil war. You won't find it in the bible or on Youtube, it's simply not there.


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    If I show you one scripture that decimates
    your doctrine, can you show me one that refute mines?

    • Revelation 19:7-14 King James Version (KJV)
    • 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
    • 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
    • 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
    • 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
    • 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
    • 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
    • 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
    • 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.


    From Revelation 19:7-10, we see the marriage supper of the Lamb in heaven. The church is in heaven getting marry.

    From Revelation 19:11-14, we see Christ leave heaven and descend upon the earth.

    Bottom line, the church was already in heaven before the second coming. You know what that means right? No such thing as a post trib rapture. Your doctrine just fell apart.
     
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    Look at how things changed between the time of the American Revolutionary War and the Civil War.

    How many Americans are on your list?

    You will not find the pretrib doctrine in Lacunza's book. You would know this fact if you had read it.

    Tregelles later parted with Darby and said that Darby was wrong.

    If you think all of the preachers in America were teaching the pretrib doctrine at the time of the Civil War, you could not be more wrong.
    That was the time John Nelson Darby brought the new doctrine to America.
    It was later incorporated into the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread like a virus through the Church.



    Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
    (A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb, and not be a part of the New Covenant Church.)


    How did Saints get to heaven in the Book of Revelation? They died.
    All of the Apostles and thousands upon thousands of our Brothers and Sisters are there now.

    I am glad that you acknowledge the word "Saints" as referring to Christians in the Book of Revelation.

    As for a preacher teaching the post-trib viewpoint...
    Have you ever heard of Charles Haddon Spurgeon?


    Anyone who understands the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, has to reject the Two Peoples of God doctrine of modern Dispensational Theology, and its pretrib removal of the Church.



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