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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by keras, Aug 21, 2018.

  1. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    Only One scenario is right about what God has planned for our future. That is the Prophetic Word of the Bible.
    THAT is what I point out, the message that I present. Prophesies that tell us of things yet to happen, some is allegorical, but most is plainly stated signs and events, that are possible to happen, so they will.
    If it conflicts with what you believe, then you should reconsider your beliefs, before it too late.
     
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  2. Lost4words

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    What you point out is YOUR understanding of the scripture. Doesn't mean you are right.
     
  3. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    All right, here's a scripture:
    Isaiah 30:26 The moon will shine as brightly as the sun and the sun will shine with seven times its usual brightness, like seven days in one.....
    The context of verses 25, 27,28 and 30, are all about the terrible Day of the Lord's fierce anger onto the nations.
    I contend that this prophecy tells us the Lord will use an explosion on the suns surface to literally fulfil all the over 100 prophesies about the Day He will take action upon a world that is, once again; as in the days of Noah. It will be the Sixth Seal event and we see in Revelation 7:1-14, that soon after that dramatic world changer, the Lords people gather in all of the holy Land; those faithful people mentioned in verses 26b and 29, where He will select 144,000 missionaries to go out and proclaim the good news of His coming Kingdom.
    I have plenty of scriptural proofs for this scenario.

    If you have another explanation for Isaiah 30:26a, lets hear it.
     
  4. Lost4words

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    It is still only 'Your' interpretations of that passage. I read it differently. I dont see doom and gloom arriving like you say will happen. I believe a lot of it was centred towards 70AD. You read 'literally'. There is a lot more to scripture than black and white.
     
  5. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    I note you make no attempt to give another explanation for Isaiah 30:26a

    A Bible scholar much smarter then me said: If a prophecy can be fulfilled literally, then it will be. My example is a plain statement of fact, of a factual event in God's sight, that simply awaits it's earthly occurrence.

    Doom and gloom? As a Christian, knowing the fantastic promises of God to His faithful people, it is with great anticipation that I look forward to the future.
     
  6. Lost4words

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    I told you. It's all about 70AD. It's how 'YOU' interpret the passage. I do so differently. Like I said, it's not all black and white.

    One other thing to remember, Jesus said:

    Matthew 24:34
    34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place.

    'This' generation....
     
  7. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

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    Here's Isaiah 30:26 with the surrounding verses. This has nothing to do with a CME causing the moon becoming as bright as the sun or the sun shining 7 times brighter. The cause of this effect is Jesus coming to slay the A/C with the brightness of His coming.

    Isaiah 30:26 is an elaborate detailed description of 2 Thessalonians 2:8

    Isaiah 30:25-27 New King James Version (NKJV)
    25 There will be on every high mountain
    And on every high hill
    Rivers and streams of waters,
    In the day of the great slaughter,
    When the towers fall.
    26 Moreover the light of the moon will be as the light of the sun,
    And the light of the sun will be sevenfold,
    As the light of seven days,
    In the day that the Lord binds up the bruise of His people
    And heals the stroke of their wound.
    27 Behold, the name of the Lord comes from afar,
    Burning with His anger,
    And His burden is heavy;
    His lips are full of indignation,
    And His tongue like a devouring fire.

    2 Thessalonians 2:8 New King James Version (NKJV)
    8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

    God made us all in His image, that of light. Jesus is the closest example of God's likeness. He shines brighter the sun or any star. When He comes at the second coming, He will shine so bright, He will illuminate the sun 7 fold and turn the moon as bright as the sun.

    Revelation 21:23 New King James Version (NKJV)
    The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.

    Acts 26:13-15 New King James Version (NKJV)
    13 at midday, O king, along the road I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining around me and those who journeyed with me. 14 And when we all had fallen to the ground, I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in the Hebrew language, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’ 15 So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.

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    We are made in the image of God. Paul tells us we all have an incorruptible celestial body that awaits us in the spiritual realm. One that will shine as bright as the stars, our real bodies.

    1 Corinthians 15:40 New King James Version (NKJV)
    There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

    Daniel 12:3 New King James Version (NKJV)
    Those who are wise shall shine
    Like the brightness of the firmament, And those who turn many to righteousness
    Like the stars forever and ever.


    You'll see when Christ comes for His bride at the rapture during the 6th Seal.

     
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  8. Lost4words

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    I believe Jesus will return. Truly I do.
     
  9. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

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    Ok, I had some problems uploading photos of Jesus shining brightly. Anyone know how to link images?
     

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  10. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

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    Strange. I see one of the photo appeared in the last post. But i didn't link an image.
     
  11. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

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    double post
     
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    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

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    Well that's where you're wrong Keras. There is definitely a rapture ahead and everyone in the past mentioned in the bible that was caught up, went to heaven, not to Jerusalem in the Middle east.

    Even the verse you cited: Matthew 24:31 has the elects in heaven, not in Jerusalem. This verse is not about the rapture when people are being gathered from heaven.

    Matthew 24:31 New King James Version (NKJV)
    And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    I would say you're wrong. Many of us that knows the 6th seal is the rapture of the church have been anxiously waiting for that day when Christ will come for us.

    I don't see what you see Keras. What I see at the 6th Seal is the church taken into the throne room of heaven standing before God and the Lamb in our midst, not a CME.

    Revelation 7:15-17 King James Version (KJV)
    15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
    16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
    17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.



    I also see the remnant of Israel, the 144,000 Jewish descendants of Jacob being sealed in preparation for the final 7 years of God's judgment. Revelation 7:4-8. Not a CME.

    God did not forget His people, those of us who will be in heaven (raptured) and those of us who will be on earth (sealed) during the tribulation.
     
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  13. BABerean2

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    There is no 7 year tribulation period in the Bible, and therefore there cannot be a 7 year period of "judgment".
    It is produced by adding together two of the references to the 42 months in the Book of Revelation, or by ripping Daniel 9:27 out of its New Covenant context.


    The "time of the judgment of the dead" is found below, with reward for some and destruction for others.

    It comes right after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible.

    Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


    Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


    The Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, since Christ returns in Revelation 16:15-16, and also in chapter 19.


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  14. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

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    I'm willing to bet you think a week means 3 1/2 and not 7.

    In the bible and in YOUR dictionary, a week stands for 7.

    Daniel 9:27 King James Version (KJV)
    27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


    The A/C confirms a covenant for one week, not half a week.

    The prophesy is called Daniel's 70th week, not Daniel's half a 70th week.

    Your argument is weak.
     
  15. BABerean2

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    Act 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.
    (This was the beginning of Christ's earthly ministry.)


    Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
    (Can anyone honestly deny that Christ fulfilled the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34?)


    Mat_27:51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split,
    (Based on the fact that there are four Passovers in the Gospels, we know Christ's earthly ministry lasted for about 1/2 week of years.)


    In the passages below we find the Gospel taken to the Jews "first" for a period of about 7 years before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles.


    Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
    Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
    Mat 10:7 And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'


    Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.


    Gal 1:14 And I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
    Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb and called me through His grace,
    Gal 1:16 to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood,
    Gal 1:17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.
    Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and remained with him fifteen days.

    The text of Daniel 9:27 says the covenant is "confirmed" for a period of 7 years.
    The text says nothing about how long the covenant lasts.

    If a contractor agrees to build you a house, you may meet with that man to "confirm" the details of the contract.
    The length of your confirmation meeting is not the time it takes to complete the contract.

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  16. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    Back to the topic of the OP.
    As for the 'rapture to heaven' and the 70th week fulfilled, there is simply no genuine scriptural support for either of those false teachings.

    Luke 17:29-30 On the day that Sodom was destroyed, fire and Sulphur rained upon them and killed them all. It will be like that again when the Son of Man is revealed. Amos 4:11-12
    Matthew 24:37-42 As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be when the Son of Man comes. In the days before the flood, they ate, drank and married until the day that Noah entered the ark, they knew nothing until the flood came and swept them all away. That is how it will be again when the Son of Man comes.
    In His vengeance and wrath, not in His glory, when He comes later, as the Word of God. Revelation 19:13b
    Genesis 9:11-14 My covenant to never again destroy all living creatures by a flood is confirmed by the sign of the rainbow.
    Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-35 I have sealed in My storehouse, ready for the Day of punishment and vengeance, a fire that will be set ablaze by My anger. It will envelope the world in flames, burning to the depths of the earth. Jeremiah 50:25
    Psalms 110:1-6....I shall make Your enemies Your footstool....In glorious majesty, You judge the nations, shattering the wicked throughout the world. Habakkuk 3:12

    Isaiah 24:18-23 On that Day, the Lord will punish in heaven the host of heaven and on earth the leaders of the nations are caught and punished. The sun and moon will be darkened, for the glory of the Lord will be in Jerusalem and is revealed to the elders of His people.
    2 Peter 3:5-7 & 10....the world before Noah was destroyed by a great flood. Now, by God’s Word the present heavens and earth are reserved for burning, kept for the Day of judgement when the godless will be destroyed. That Day will come unexpectedly, the sky will dissipate with a great noise and the earth will be enveloped in flames. All its inhabitants will be tested.
    Isaiah 66:1-6 My people are oppressed and afflicted and evil people displease Me, they say: Let the Lord come, we do not believe in Him. Therefore, the noise you can hear is the Lord dealing retribution to His foes. Romans 1:18, Hebrews 10:27
    Matthew 24:40-44 There will be two men in a field, one will be taken the other left, two women at the mill, one will be taken, the other left. Keep awake, therefore for the Lord will come unexpectedly.
    Isaiah 63:1-6 The Lord comes from the godless nations, in His power and majesty, He tramples them in His fury, their blood spills out and splashes His garments.

    At the Return He comes in blood splashed garments and NOT unexpectedly.
    2 Thessalonians 1:6-10...the Day the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in flaming fire….He will reveal His glory among all believers. Revelation 14:1

    What we can understand from the above Bible passages, is that the Day of the Lord, when the Son of Man takes action, is not Jesus’ Return as the Word of God, for the Millennium reign. At the Return: ‘all will see Him’, not as in this Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, where He is not seen: Psalms 18:11, Luke 3:17, but ‘His glory will be revealed to all believers’. 2 Thessalonians 1:10

    God promised to ‘never again flood the earth’, but He has ‘stored up a fire' that will envelope the earth in flames’, a worldwide judgement/punishment, vividly described by all the prophets.
    This terrible fire and devastation will come upon the world unexpectedly, ‘While they are saying: All is peaceful, all secure, then destruction is upon them’. 1 Thess. 5:3 Huge numbers will be killed by the fire, earthquakes and the resulting famines afterward. Jeremiah 9:22, Isaiah 34:1-8, Ezekiel 30:2-5
    The Lord is not seen on that Day, but His people are saved and protected, [not raptured] Isaiah 30:26b, Isaiah 43:2, Zechariah 9:5-16

    Then, as in Ezekiel 20:33-38...by My outpoured wrath, [The Day of wrath] I shall bring you out of the nations and gather you back to Israel. The Lord is: ‘Waiting to show you His favour’, and to bless His true believing people, all the faithful Christians, as they fulfill the promises to the Patriarchs and their destiny: ‘to be a light to the nations’. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:4-16
     
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    Yeah, that is what I was thinking.
    There is a discussion about that over on the Creation & Evolution board.........
    [I don't post that much on it, just pop in to visit my bro "AV1611VET" every once in awhile]....

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    https://www.christianforums.com/threads/uniformitarianism-vs-catastrophism-poll.8080029/
    Uniformitarianism vs Catastrophism Poll
     
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