Being Black In America: 'We Have A Place In This World Too'

[durangodawood]

"White privilege" doesn't actually exist. If it did, more poor white people would be able to exploit this "privilege" to get out of poverty.

Some of us understand the theory of "white privilege," but believe it to be false and unsupported by data.

You are clearly not among those who understand. White privilege isnt a magic wand for every conceivable situation. Its just a relative advantage compared to being non-white in similar circumstances..

 

[SummerMadness]

At the same time, there is also lots of plain racism among law enforcement. Some conscious white-robe style, but most is probably just baked-in to the culture of policing and the society at large. I mean crime statistics are worth nothing when explaining why an individual black guy who's done nothing wrong could be followed around like he must be a suspect of something, which happens all the time..... And its not just police practices. There's been policies of using black neighborhoods as basically piggy banks for funding police departments with the absurd escalations of penalties for little tiny things. I cant even get started on the insane and racist "war on drugs" without writing a whole novel.....

Very true.

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There are many other stories that find the same practices done across the country.

 

[Hammster]

It does, actually. Most crime is indeed intraracial. That said, a black person is far more likely to kill a white person than the other way around; and a black person is far more likely to commit a murder than a white person is; and a black person is far more likely to be the victim of a murder than a white person is.

White (incl. Hispanic) killing white (incl. Hispanic): 2,677
White (incl. Hispanic) killing black: 234
Black killing black: 2,600
Black killing white (incl. Hispanic): 514

My apologies. This is what happens when one doesn’t read clearly enough.

 

[Hammster]

Please provide evidence of this claim.

I can’t. I misread your statement. My apologies.

 

[Hammster]

This is a racist argument. Whites were the leading cause of white homicide, yet no one feels the need to point this out. Most crime is intraracial.

Now that I’ve read this right, how is it racist to say that blacks are more likely to be killed by other blacks?

 

[Radagast]

You are clearly not among those who understand.

Oh, I understand, all right.

White privilege isnt a magic wand for every conceivable situation. Its just a relative advantage compared to being non-white in similar circumstances..

And if that were true, the "advantage" should show up statistically, even after controlling for other factors.

And it doesn't.

 

[Hammster]

Really, what kind of benefits because I seem to be missing out? Last I checked minorities qualify for more benefits than caucasians.

That’s just your privilege talking. You don’t need benefits if you are white.

 

[durangodawood]

...And if that were true, the "advantage" should show up statistically, even after controlling for other factors.

And it doesn't.

I think whites fare better on pretty much every social statistic we track. Is there something else youre referring to?

 

[Radagast]

I think whites fare better on pretty much every social statistic we track. Is there something else youre referring to?

But that effect disappears when you control for other factors. Race is not actually the causative factor. "White privilege" doesn't actually exist.

 

[BNR32FAN]

What is white privilege? What questions should white Americans be asking? Two academics weigh in

White privilege is the automatic, taken-for-granted advantage bestowed upon white people as a result of living in a society based on the premise of white as the human ideal, and that from its founding established white advantage as a matter of law and today as a matter of policy and practice.

No I don’t buy it. Yeah sure a black person might go somewhere and it’s possible they might be discriminated against and as a result they might not get a particular job but that’s not going to happen on a scale that will greatly influence their life. Your not going to come across business after business that won’t hire you because your black. It will not happen. There are a lot of successful black Americans, We’ve had a black president who served two terms. I think a lot of people assume they are being discriminated against when they might not be. I see it happening with George Floyd’s case. There’s no evidence to support racial discrimination in that case but that’s what everyone is claiming. It’s an assumption that has no evidence to support it and I see this happening quite often.

 

[SummerMadness]

Now that I’ve read this right, how is it racist to say that blacks are more likely to be killed by other blacks?

When discussing issues of police brutality, there invariably a person that will call out "black-on-black" crime as an issue. Most crime is intraracial, so pointing this out is not needed. The fact that white-on-white crime is not term proves that point. But in the broader context, those that bring this up are trying to derail the discussion from police misconduct, it's akin to bringing up heart disease killing more Americans in a discussion about terrorism. Moreover, the people that bring this up don't actually care about the topic; many black activists and organizations are focused on broader issues of crime, the people that make these statements are unaware of this because they actually don't care about the topic, they simply want to distract from the topic of police misconduct.

 

[durangodawood]

But that effect disappears when you control for other factors. Race is not actually the causative factor. "White privilege" doesn't actually exist.

How do you know this? I mean, are there race-sorted statistics youve studied for how often people whove done nothing wrong get followed around by cops, or similar?

 

[SummerMadness]

But that effect disappears when you control for other factors. Race is not actually the causative factor. "White privilege" doesn't actually exist.

What study are you referring to controls for these factors and shows no effect.

No I don’t buy it. Yeah sure a black person might go somewhere and it’s possible they might be discriminated against and as a result they might not get a particular job but that’s not going to happen on a scale that will greatly influence their life. Your not going to come across business after business that won’t hire you because your black. It will not happen. There are a lot of successful black Americans, We’ve had a black president who served two terms. I think a lot of people assume they are being discriminated against when they might not be. I see it happening with George Floyd’s case. There’s no evidence to support racial discrimination in that case but that’s what everyone is claiming. It’s an assumption that has no evidence to support it and I see this happening quite often.

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[BNR32FAN]

I think whites fare better on pretty much every social statistic we track. Is there something else youre referring to?

Are you taking into consideration that whites make up 61% of the population compared to blacks making up 12%? Then factor in that 42% of those whites attended college compared to 34% of blacks. So that’s 57,000,000 whites who attended college compared to 13,200,000 blacks who attended college. So yeah when you look at the statistics the math adds up.

 

[Radagast]

When discussing issues of police brutality, there invariably a person that will call out "black-on-black" crime as an issue. Most crime is intraracial, so pointing this out is not needed. The fact that white-on-white crime is not term proves that point.

Black-on-black murder gets highlighted in part because a black person is more than six times as likely to be killed in intraracial violence than a white person is.

Murder is indeed a particular issue within the black community; just as suicide is a particular issue within the native American and white communities (and in some cases that manifests as "suicide by cop").

 

[SummerMadness]

Are you taking into consideration that whites make up 61% of the population compared to blacks making up 12%? Then factor in that 42% of those whites attended college compared to 34% of blacks. So that’s 57,000,000 whites who attended college compared to 13,200,000 blacks who attended college. So yeah when you look at the statistics the math adds up.

What study are you quoting? Please provide your sources.

 

[Hammster]

When discussing issues of police brutality, there invariably a person that will call out "black-on-black" crime as an issue. Most crime is intraracial, so pointing this out is not needed. The fact that white-on-white crime is not term proves that point. But in the broader context, those that bring this up are trying to derail the discussion from police misconduct, it's akin to bringing up heart disease killing more Americans in a discussion about terrorism. Moreover, the people that bring this up don't actually care about the topic; many black activists and organizations are focused on broader issues of crime, the people that make these statements are unaware of this because they actually don't care about the topic, they simply want to distract from the topic of police misconduct.

Maybe it’s not what you think. Maybe it’s brought up for a different reason. Maybe it’s because BLM-types bring up police brutality against blacks but don’t say anything about black-on-black crime, and it comes across as hypocritical. What kills more blacks every year? Police? Or abortion and black on black crime.

It’s not racists to ask. Not if all lives matter.

 

[BNR32FAN]

This is a racist argument. Whites were the leading cause of white homicide, yet no one feels the need to point this out. Most crime is intraracial.

Thats why I asked the question.

 

[SummerMadness]

Maybe it’s not what you think. Maybe it’s brought up for a different reason. Maybe it’s because BLM-types bring up police brutality against blacks but don’t say anything about black-on-black crime, and it comes across as hypocritical. What kills more blacks every year? Police? Or abortion and black on black crime.

It’s not racists to ask. Not if all lives matter.

Again, that's a distraction. Black Lives Matter is focused on the police brutality and the criminal justice system. This is like complaining that Susan G Komen is not focusing on heart disease because their focus is on breast cancer. It is not hypocritical, it is those seeking to distract from the main issue of policing and criminal justice in America. Bringing up abortion is another distraction, why not bring up heart disease or diabetes? This doesn't happen in other discussions, we only see this form of distraction when it comes to those calling out police misconduct.

The "what about black-on-black crime" group does not care about the topic they're bringing up, else they'd see there is already focus on the very topic they claim is being ignored. Black Lives Matter is not mutually exclusive from other causes, there are many organizations focused on crime in Black communities. Nonetheless, the main issue is that when a black person murders another black person, we can be assured that the alleged crime will be prosecuted and punished accordingly, this is not the case with police violence.

 

[BNR32FAN]

2. But then to step back and ask why black people are so much poorer that white people on average, and youd have to be deliberately blind not to see a whole history of intense racism on this continent

I would agree with this statement in the past and that history of discrimination has definitely played a role in the poverty of blacks because the blacks during that time were not able to put their children in a better financial situation. But that’s not the case today. I mean what can we do that we haven’t already done to level the playing field? We can’t change the past, all we can do now is make things better now and in the future. So what’s the solution? What do you propose?