Being Black In America: 'We Have A Place In This World Too'

[SummerMadness]

I agree that stop-and-frisk is unconstitutional and should never have been done.

It was also a racist practice.

 

[Chesterton]

It was also a racist practice.

It was a crime prevention practice. It was done in areas where there was an extraordinary amount of crime.

 

[SummerMadness]

It was a crime prevention practice. It was done in areas where there was an extraordinary amount of crime.

It targeted Black and Hispanic people, it did not prevent crime. That's why the crime rate was unaffected after the practice was stopped. There was not an extraordinary amount of crime, NYC is safe city.

 

[Chesterton]

Oooh! That is terrible! I am glad you were able to get away! You out ran 10?? How old were you when this happened?

I was probably around 20. But look, you posted videos of people being treated as suspicious. Yes, I've had that too. One time I was at Walmart trying to do that thing where you make a check out for more than the purchase price and get cash back. The white cashier whispered something to a white manager type guy, and for reasons I don't know, he suspected me of trying to write a hot check or something. He takes my ID and asks me to recite my driver's license number. I can't do that. Who memorizes their license number? I ask him why he's doing all this and he just says things like "I see this stuff all the time!". He was some guy trying to play Dick Tracy or something, I don't know. I have no idea why he singled me out. Some people are weird, some people are jerks.

I've been pulled over, and a white cop thought a part of a metal drum stand in the back seat was a weapon. He was going to arrest me for having an illegal weapon until, after a long discussion, another cop decided it really probably was just a piece of musical equipment. I could give you many more examples. I had a white friend beaten up by white cops, and hospitalized, because he smarted off to them on a traffic stop about not using his traffic signal. What I wish people understood is that this stuff happens to everybody.

 

[SummerMadness]

I was probably around 20. But look, you posted videos of people being treated as suspicious. Yes, I've had that too. One time I was at Walmart trying to do that thing where you make a check out for more than the purchase price and get cash back. The white cashier whispered something to a white manager type guy, and for reasons I don't know, he suspected me of trying to write a hot check or something. He takes my ID and asks me to recite my driver's license number. I can't do that. Who memorizes their license number? I ask him why he's doing all this and he just says things like "I see this stuff all the time!". He was some guy trying to play Dick Tracy or something, I don't know. I have no idea why he singled me out. Some people are weird, some people are jerks.

I've been pulled over, and a white cop thought a part of a metal drum stand in the back seat was a weapon. He was going to arrest me for having an illegal weapon until, after a long discussion, another cop decided it really probably was just a piece of musical equipment. I could give you many more examples. I had a white friend beaten up by white cops, and hospitalized, because he smarted off to them on a traffic stop about not using his traffic signal. What I wish people understood is that this stuff happens to everybody.

It doesn't happen to everybody at the same rate. Your argument is ridiculous on its face. You want to argue that because of your experience, that negates the experience of others. Black people in America receive disproportionate mistreatment by police. For instance, in Baltimore, a black man in his mid-50s who was stopped 30 times in less than four years. None of the stops led to a citation or criminal charge. This doesn't happen to everybody; the fact that you are singling out an episode from when you were 20 is funny because for many black people, there are multiple occasions where they have an encounter with police or some self-identified authority. There are multiple studies that prove this, it does not mean that white people have no such encounters, but black people have more of these encounters and the data also shows racial bias as opposed to behavior or crime is the reason. Stop trying to negate others experience, especially when the statistics don't even support your argument.

 

[Chesterton]

It targeted Black and Hispanic people, it did not prevent crime. That's why the crime rate was unaffected after the practice was stopped.

It was likely unaffected because stop-and-frisk caused people to stop carrying guns for a while.

There was not an extraordinary amount of crime, NYC is safe city.

You and AC/DC are the only people I've ever heard say that.

 

[SummerMadness]

It was likely unaffected because stop-and-frisk caused people to stop carrying guns for a while.

You're making a claim with no evidence.

You and AC/DC are the only people I've ever heard say that.

You are most certainly not from the New York metropolitan area.

 

[Chesterton]

It doesn't happen to everybody at the same rate. Your argument is ridiculous on its face. You want to argue that because of your experience, that negates the experience of others. Black people in America receive disproportionate mistreatment by police. For instance, in Baltimore, a black man in his mid-50s who was stopped 30 times in less than four years. None of the stops led to a citation or criminal charge. This doesn't happen to everybody; the fact that you are singling out an episode from when you were 20 is funny because for many black people, there are multiple occasions where they have an encounter with police or some self-identified authority. There are multiple studies that prove this, it does not mean that white people have no such encounters, but black people have more of these encounters and the data also shows racial bias as opposed to behavior or crime is the reason. Stop trying to negate others experience, especially when the statistics don't even support your argument.

The statistics totally support my argument. Blacks receive more mistreatment, which is because they have more encounters with police, which is because they commit more crime.

 

[Chesterton]

You're making a claim with no evidence.

Just common sense.

You are most certainly not from the New York metropolitan area.

I've spent some time there. It is a lot safer post-Giuliani.

 

[SummerMadness]

The statistics totally support my argument. Blacks receive more mistreatment, which is because they have more encounters with police, which is because they commit more crime.

Just common sense.

I've spent some time there. It is a lot safer post-Giuliani.

Still making claims with no evidence. Since you can't provide evidence from an studies, it's apparent you can't back it up. Blouses.

 

[Radagast]

You and AC/DC are the only people I've ever heard say that.

AC/DC were from Australia. By Australian standards, New York has always been a violence-ridden hellhole.

St. Louis, Baltimore, San Juan, and Detroit have the dubious honour of making the world's "most violent 50 cities" list. Compared to them, New York is peaceful.

 

[Hammster]

As I’ve discovered in another thread, this isn’t about people. It’s about numbers and stats. It’s not about police brutality. It’s about percentages. It’s not about how many black suffer police brutality. It’s that the percentage is higher than the percentage of blacks in this country.

 

[KCfromNC]

The thing about this "white supremacy" it has been built up into a specter.

Yeah, maybe it has to do with murdering people who disagree with them.

 

[KCfromNC]

As I’ve discovered in another thread, this isn’t about people. It’s about numbers and stats. It’s not about police brutality. It’s about percentages. It’s not about how many black suffer police brutality. It’s that the percentage is higher than the percentage of blacks in this country.

I believe numbers and stats about a subject are "about" that particular subject. This is a very strange attempt to, well, I'm not sure what the point is. Is it designed to be dismissive of something?

Seems like this one needs to go back to the talking-points store for a refund or exchange for a working model.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The thing about this "white supremacy" it has been built up into a specter. White people of today do not tolerate it. Yes, there are fringe groups, but they are on the fringe because they are not accepted by main stream society. As a whole, or even vast majority.... where are these roving gangs of scary white people in pointy hats lynching blacks and beating them in the streets? They are not there. They do not exist except in one faction. The authorities.

White supremacists are out there but in extremely small numbers and in most cases not in any form of leadership role. Most of them are in gangs like the Arian brotherhood or motorcycle gangs, there may be a few kkk members still lingering but they’re pretty much nonexistent. The percentage of white supremacy population is most likely less than 2% of the white population. I wouldn’t be surprised if the black supremacy population was about the same percentage. The world will always have this problem because there’s good and bad in every race and nothing will ever change that.

 

[Hammster]

I believe numbers and stats about a subject are "about" that particular subject. This is a very strange attempt to, well, I'm not sure what the point is. Is it designed to be dismissive of something?

Seems like this one needs to go back to the talking-points store for a refund or exchange for a working model.

From my actual discussions, the point isn’t about people. It’s about numbers. It’s about percentages.

ETA: it’s not about how many blacks are killed. It’s about how many blacks are killed in relation to whites.

 

[BNR32FAN]

From my actual discussions, the point isn’t about people. It’s about numbers. It’s about percentages.

ETA: it’s not about how many blacks are killed. It’s about how many blacks are killed in relation to whites.

Killed by who and for what reason? According to this FBI statistic in 2018 blacks were the leading cause of black homicide by a landslide.

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

 

[Hammster]

Killed by who and for what reason? According to this FBI statistic in 2018 blacks were the leading cause of black homicide by a landslide.

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

It’s only death by cops that seem relevant.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Still making claims with no evidence. Since you can't provide evidence from an studies, it's apparent you can't back it up. Blouses.

According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons as of June 6 2020 38% of current inmates in prison are black. That quite an overwhelming number considering that only 12% of America’s population is black.

BOP Statistics: Inmate Race

 

[Hammster]

According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons as of June 6 2020 38% of current inmates in prison are black. That quite an overwhelming number considering that only 12% of America’s population is black.

BOP Statistics: Inmate Race

That’s because of white privilege.