At least 9 dead, 26 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio

Speedwell said:

None of which show specifically who possesses the gun right now and how he came by it. In Chicago, which you were just talking about, has very strict gun laws but some of the surrounding communities do not. Guns pour into the city by way of unregistered transfers and straw buyers. "Oh, yeah, I used to own that gun years ago but I sold it to my cousin and then he died and I don't know what became of it. I don't know how it got involved in that drive-by shooting." King's X.

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DamianWarS said:

In the second mass shooting in less than 14 hours, at least nine people are dead and more than two dozen wounded after someone opened fire in downtown Dayton, Ohio, early Sunday, according to police.

At least 9 dead, 26 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio

what will it take for this to end?

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Speedwell said:

None of which show specifically who possesses the gun right now and how he came by it. In Chicago, which you were just talking about, has very strict gun laws but some of the surrounding communities do not. Guns pour into the city by way of unregistered transfers and straw buyers. "Oh, yeah, I used to own that gun years ago but I sold it to my cousin and then he died and I don't know what became of it. I don't know how it got involved in that drive-by shooting." King's X.

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GreatLakes4Ever said:

Indiana (and Wisconsin to a lesser extent) being so close to the city with their more lax gun laws are a big reason this happens. I work in the city of Chicago and I am 18 miles from the closest gun shop in Indiana and 14 miles from Wrigley Field which is in the heart of the city of Chicago. I also live less than two miles from one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the city.

@OldWiseGuy I live in Chicago.
Looking at the article: Lawndale (and North Lawndale) is a rough area. East Garfield Park is violent but if I had the money I’d be buying land there because the gentrification of West Town is casting its eye to the next neighborhood along the Green Line which is East Garfield Park. South Deering was self inflicted by a toddler.

At the red dots on the map: Austin I think may have just taken the spot as the most dangerous neighborhood in the city from Englewood (another for). Greater Grand Crossing is another bad neighborhood right next to Englewood. Back of the Yards is where the Showtime series Shameless takes place. West Garfield Park is similar to its twin East Garfield Park though a longer ways from gentrification happening. South North Lawndale and Lawndale I’ve already discussed. South Deering was self inflicted by a toddler Italy is the only one that I find surprising on this list though I would never think to include it on a list of the safest neighborhoods in the city.

There are 76 neighborhoods in the city and over half of them have zero shootings in the time frame you are listing including none of the neighborhoods with major sports stadiums/arenas. I travel through some of the worse neighborhoods and they are not a war zone like Trump says. In fact, according to the FBI, Chicago doesn’t even rank in the Top 25 in the USA for most violent crimes per capita. Yes, there is too much crime in the city but is not a hellscape that Trump tries to paint it.

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joshua 1 9 said:

People can pay for it if they want but it would cost them a lot of money. I think people should have to go through basic training to be qualified to own a gun. I am not so sure anyone should own assault weapons. As their main function is to do a lot of damage to a lot of people.

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OldWiseGuy said:

The media paints a different picture.

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ThatRobGuy said:

The GOP shoots themselves in the foot (no pun intended...okay, maybe a little pun intended) with regards to their "policy package".

Policies that enable easy firearm acquisition, coupled with policies that pretty much perpetuate poverty (thus driving up crime) are the recipe for creating a more violent area. They need to be willing to budge on one of those things, otherwise it's rinse & repeat.

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SummerMadness said:

We can move forward in society when the death cult that has a fetish for guns stops dictating policy.

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GreatLakes4Ever said:

The media is also wrong.

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DamianWarS said:

There use to be a greater saturation of hunting rifles and shotguns. Those guns aren't the problem.

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Gracia Singh said:

Christ, have mercy. This world is going nuts. Most pagan societies weren't this messed up, if any.

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GOD Shines Forth! said:

Contra:

"We can move forward in society when the death cult that has a fetish for disarmament stops agitating for policy antithetical to our right to keep and bear arms."

Gotta love our Founders for adding..."SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"!

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OldWiseGuy said:

No 'kidding'.

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GreatLakes4Ever said:

I have to know, why are you so hellbent on keeping this false narrative you have that Chicago is some dilapidated hellhole? Trump and the media have both portrayed it wrong and you got sucked in by it. We all get fooled sometimes. I remember when I thought Anthony Mason was going to lead the Milwaukee Bucks to greatness. How wrong I was.

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Speedwell said:

Hooray for them. Mandatory registered ownership would not constitute an infringement.

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OldWiseGuy said:

If legally produced liquor were expensive you can bet there would be an illegal source. Booze of all kinds is cheap here, one of the great blessings of American free enterprise.

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Desk trauma said:

The inflated prices of illegal drugs are products of prohibition.

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OldWiseGuy said:

I'm guessing more cost of production and distribution, and supply and demand, as in any other business.

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Desk trauma said:

The costs are distribution and the risk that creates, the drugs them selves are largely old crude substances that are not hard nor expensive to manufacture.

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paul1149 said:

The thing that struck me about the Walmart shooter was the size of the magazine he was using. It looked like a 30 rounder. Guns haven't appreciably changed over the decades, with the exception of their firing capacity.

People have changed. There used to be rifle clubs in high schools, with kids bringing their rifles into the schools. There used to be intact families, that actually ate dinner together and spent common time in the living room each night. It used to be that violence and strife and immorality and inanity weren't constantly piped into those living rooms electronically. It used to be that the Ten Commandments were posted on the walls of public buildings, including schools, and public prayer was allowed. And it used to be that unborn life was protected.

None of that was perfect; far from it. But that was the norm and the dominant cultural message. Now in large measure that is gone, and affect of its lack on people has been devastating.

The solution to the gun violence will have to be broad-based and address all these issues. Most of the problem, in my view, is "software" based, as per above, but there may be hardware issues we should look at as well, such as magazine capacity.

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iluvatar5150 said:

AFAIK, risk isn't much of a factor in drug pricing, at least at the level of a lower-tier street dealer. The faulty assumption that increased risk would increase prices, which would then drive away customers, is part of why the war on drugs hasn't worked.




The church that you're describing has been garbage at stemming social problems and in many cases, directly contributed to them. Most of Europe is far more secular than the US and doesn't have these sort of issues with violence.

What's actually been devastating is poverty and lack of investment in people. We spent centuries denying minorities the right to participate in society, shoveling them into ghettos and essentially creating the fuel for the problems we see today. But the backlash against providing social services to these "lazy, undeserving" minorities inadvertently wound up hurting a lot of whites, too.

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OldWiseGuy said:

A bigger problem is that some minorities aren't a good fit for prospering in our economy.

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