At least 9 dead, 26 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio

[OldWiseGuy]

The inflated prices of illegal drugs are products of prohibition.

I'm guessing more cost of production and distribution, and supply and demand, as in any other business.

 

[mama2one]

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[Desk trauma]

I'm guessing more cost of production and distribution, and supply and demand, as in any other business.

The costs are distribution and the risk that creates, the drugs them selves are largely old crude substances that are not hard nor expensive to manufacture.

 

[DamianWarS]

They think that if we had gun control people would not get guns false. Most of these are committed by people who either A got the gun illegally anyway, or people who got from someone who would pass a check. Very few if any of these attacks are committed by people of sound mind with their own lawfully held firearms.

the rest of the world seems to have figured it out. banning semi's and restricting handguns will decrease supply (legal). when supply goes down the demand will remain the same which will increase distribution of these weapons in the black market. but... this doesn't last, eventually, demand will balance out and meet the supply. It's not a quick solution but the longer it's delayed the harder it is. It's really something that should have been done in the '80s and the 2nd amendment... well it needs to be amended. These weapons may be obtained illegally but the system allows wide access to them, it's the wide access that is the problem.

 

[bèlla]

Check out the map in this story.

9 Killed, 39 Wounded In Weekend Shootings Across Chicago

The shootings occurred in areas known for the issues I mentioned. The safest neighborhoods in Chicago are those nearest to the lake and center of the city. The further you move from each the lower your expense and greater the headaches become.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

the rest of the world seems to have figured it out. banning semi's and restricting handguns will decrease supply (legal). when supply goes down the demand will remain the same which will increase distribution of these weapons in the black market. but... this doesn't last, eventually, demand will balance out and meet the supply. It's not a quick solution but the longer it's delayed the harder it is. It's really something that should have been done in the '80s and the 2nd amendment... well it needs to be amended. These weapons may be obtained illegally but the system allows wide access to them, it's the wide access that is the problem.

The U.S. is a big, wide country. Not a 'state sized' country that is easy to govern.

 

[dogs4thewin]

the rest of the world seems to have figured it out. banning semi's and restricting handguns will decrease supply (legal). when supply goes down the demand will remain the same which will increase distribution of these weapons in the black market. but... this doesn't last, eventually, demand will balance out and meet the supply. It's not a quick solution but the longer it's delayed the harder it is. It's really something that should have been done in the '80s and the 2nd amendment... well it needs to be amended. These weapons may be obtained illegally but the system allows wide access to them, it's the wide access that is the problem.

but at the end of the day the people who obtain them illegally will obtain them one way or another ( particularly when there are 300 MILLION+ guns in this country. The people who obtain them legally are not the ones you have to worry about people who obtain them illegally do not care.

 

[Speedwell]

the rest of the world seems to have figured it out. banning semi's and restricting handguns will decrease supply (legal). when supply goes down the demand will remain the same which will increase distribution of these weapons in the black market. but... this doesn't last, eventually, demand will balance out and meet the supply. It's not a quick solution but the longer it's delayed the harder it is. It's really something that should have been done in the '80s and the 2nd amendment... well it needs to be amended. These weapons may be obtained illegally but the system allows wide access to them, it's the wide access that is the problem.

The Second Amendment does not need to be amended. Consider mandatory registered ownership (with possibly a liability insurance requirement). Such a measure would also reduce the black market in firearms and is entirely consistent with the Second Amendment.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The shootings occurred in areas known for the issues I mentioned. The safest neighborhoods in Chicago are those nearest to the lake and center of the city. The further you move from each the lower your expense and greater the headaches become.

The point is that shootings occur "across" Chicago, not just in certain neighborhoods.

 

[DamianWarS]

Our duck hunters wouldn't like that (most other game can be taken with single action weapons).

but the ducks will like it. enjoyment of hunting using specific weapons is contextually based. if the rules change we just pick up a different tool and use it but we still enjoy hunting.

 

[DamianWarS]

Yet people who mean harm find a way and just as a note remember there are literally about as many guns in this country as there are people and most of those guns are NEVER used to commit a violent crime.

saturation will still statistically be you're biggest contributors to illegal use.

 

[Desk trauma]

The U.S. is a big, wide country. Not a 'state sized' country that is easy to govern.

Australia has a similar land mass and is even more spread out yet their violent crime rate is a fraction of ours and post Port Arthur no mass shooting to speak of.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The Second Amendment does not need to be amended. Consider mandatory registered ownership (with possibly a liability insurance requirement). Such a measure would also reduce the black market in firearms and is entirely consistent with the Second Amendment.

The government basically knows where most of the guns are now. No need for registration.

 

[Speedwell]

The government basically knows where most of the guns are now. No need for registration.

How so?

 

[DamianWarS]

but at the end of the day the people who obtain them illegally will obtain them one way or another ( particularly when there are 300 MILLION+ guns in this country. The people who obtain them legally are not the ones you have to worry about people who obtain them illegally do not care.

how has the rest of the world figured this out but the US hasn't? saturation is not a good thing when too many of the wrong people are getting these weapons.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

but the ducks will like it. enjoyment of hunting using specific weapons is contextually based. if the rules change we just pick up a different tool and use it but we still enjoy hunting.

Sure. I don't have a duck in this fight. I only hunt deer, with bow and with bolt action rifle. I have no semi-auto guns.

 

[DamianWarS]

The Second Amendment does not need to be amended. Consider mandatory registered ownership (with possibly a liability insurance requirement). Such a measure would also reduce the black market in firearms and is entirely consistent with the Second Amendment.

as phase 1, but somewhere down the line semi's need to be banned and handguns need to be restricted.

 

[bèlla]

The point is that shootings occur "across" Chicago, not just in certain neighborhoods.

Given the fact that I live here, I think I can speak candidly about the distribution of crime in our city.

The areas mentioned aren’t affluent, wealthy, or places most residents would choose if their finances didn’t require it.

They’re poor and move where they can afford to live. Unfortunately, other elements take up residence too.

 

[comana]

but at the end of the day the people who obtain them illegally will obtain them one way or another ( particularly when there are 300 MILLION+ guns in this country. The people who obtain them legally are not the ones you have to worry about people who obtain them illegally do not care.[/QUOTE
U.S. mass shootings by legality of weapons 2019 | Statista

This shows that the majority of mass shootings are carried out using legally purchased guns. I think we do need to worry about those who obtain them legally as well.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

How so?

Background check sales records, hunting license sales, ammunition and accessory sales. DNR records which show licensing for shotgun only areas and centerfire rifle areas, big game handgun license records.