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Are you still a sinner?
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Terri: yes and? That is not calling himself a saint. 
its saying I'm a sinner who has God's help
its saying I'm a sinner who has God's help
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Originally posted by Br. Max
I'm still waiting for a scripture verse where some one calls HIMSELF a saint . . .
BR MAX!
thats good.. there are many references to the apostles calling the new converts saints, which obviously you reject... ok thats fine it was never satated directly, Saint Paul thats a fact... it was in mention of the entire body I'll give that... so but you do accept though the writings of the cathoilc church as inerrant even though they themselves are not supported either?
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Its fine with me Terri, keep on keeping on as they say!
I call all my believing friends saints... and they are. Ever pray togther with someone, holding hands... how quickly He answers!!
I call all my believing friends saints... and they are. Ever pray togther with someone, holding hands... how quickly He answers!!
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Originally posted by Terri
That's fine. If you want to proclaim yourself a saint you can. It still remains that no one in scripture ever called himself a saint. Paul always called the believers saints and refers to himself as a sinner - but not just any sinner - CHIEF sinner.
Its back to humility and edification vs pride and presumption.
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You are right. Paul did call himself that. And you are right agian, we are all sinners, but there is a MAJOR difference between saved and not saved.
The saved are trying to make a difference in their lifes, the unsaved are not.
The saved are trying to make a difference in their lifes, the unsaved are not.
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Originally posted by Terri
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Teri - I'm sorry you took that to be an insult I assure you that it was in no way intended as such. It was a statement of the issue not a dig at anyone.
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I agree with you Quaffer. In Ephesians 1 v 1 Paul is writing to the "SAINTS" at Ephesus. We still sin but we arent sinners we are SAINTS. There are numerous times in the Bible where Gods children are refered to as Saints. A saint is someone who is consecrated and set apart and once we surrender our lives to God then we are holy and set apart so I say that we arent sinners but saints.
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I will point out again - that the AUTHOR of most of the epistles called himself the CHIEF of sinners all the while calling other believers saints. He called others saints to EDIFY THEM and called himself a sinner because that's what he was - an apostle and the author of most of the books of the NT and a great man of God - but STILL a weak and sinful vessel. NOWHERE in the scriptures does anyone proclaim - I AM A SAINT. The only time the term saint is used is to EDIFY others. I am a sinner called to be a saint.
I am a sinner called to be a saint.
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