Are you still a sinner?

[dignitized]

I'm still waiting for a scripture verse where some one calls HIMSELF a saint . . .

 

[Terri]

Originally posted by Br. Max
I'm still waiting for a scripture verse where some one calls HIMSELF a saint . . .

PHP 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.    

 

 

 

[dignitized]

Terri: yes and? That is not calling himself a saint. its saying I'm a sinner who has God's help

 

[Terri]

So Max do you like this one! 

1CO 6:12 "Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial.

 

[dignitized]

Terri: oh wonderful still is not a proclimation of sainthood.

 

[Live4Jesus]

Originally posted by Br. Max
I'm still waiting for a scripture verse where some one calls HIMSELF a saint . . .

BR MAX!

thats good.. there are many references to the apostles calling the new converts saints, which obviously you reject... ok thats fine it was never satated directly, Saint Paul thats a fact... it was in mention of the entire body I'll give that... so but you do accept though the writings of the cathoilc church as inerrant even though they themselves are not supported either?

 

[Terri]

Originally posted by Br. Max
Terri: oh wonderful still is not a proclimation of sainthood.

  Well I proclaimed myself a saint and it is permissible!

 

 

[Live4Jesus]

Its fine with me Terri, keep on keeping on as they say!

I call all my believing friends saints... and they are. Ever pray togther with someone, holding hands... how quickly He answers!!

 

[en|gma]

We are all sinners even if we are Christians. We still live in a fallen world with fallen people...and we are all fallen being transformed from glory to glory until Christ comes!

 

[dignitized]

Originally posted by Terri
  Well I proclaimed myself a saint and it is permissible!

 

 

That's fine.  If you want to proclaim yourself a saint you can.  It still remains that no one in scripture ever called himself a saint.  Paul always called the believers saints and refers to himself as a sinner - but not just any sinner  - CHIEF sinner. 

 

Its back to humility and edification vs pride and presumption.

 

[JesusLoveA]

You are right. Paul did call himself that. And you are right agian, we are all sinners, but there is a MAJOR difference between saved and not saved.
The saved are trying to make a difference in their lifes, the unsaved are not.

 

[Terri]

Originally posted by Br. Max
 

That's fine.  If you want to proclaim yourself a saint you can.  It still remains that no one in scripture ever called himself a saint.  Paul always called the believers saints and refers to himself as a sinner - but not just any sinner  - CHIEF sinner. 

 

Its back to humility and edification vs pride and presumption.

  Wow, your good at sly insults.  Guess pride got the better of you!

By the way I am sinner too!

 

 

[sklippstein]

Originally posted by Terri
  Wow, your good at sly insults.  Guess pride got the better of you!  

 

 

 

 

[sklippstein]

Terri......we are all sinners.......every one of us to claim otherwise is a deception.

 

[dignitized]

Teri - I'm sorry you took that to be an insult I assure you that it was in no way intended as such. It was a statement of the issue not a dig at anyone.

 

[Terri]

Originally posted by Br. Max
Teri - I'm sorry you took that to be an insult I assure you that it was in no way intended as such. It was a statement of the issue not a dig at anyone.

Max, I am certainly not upset with you.  I enjoy the playful banter.  I hope I didn't hurt your feelings.  Sometimes I forget that others take things alot more seriously than I do.

    

 

[potatohorse]

ALL are sinners. Where do you people get off saying we aren't sinners?

 

[dignitized]

potato: I guess some are more perfect than the rest of us lowly sinners . . . .

 

[chosen]

I agree with you Quaffer. In Ephesians 1 v 1 Paul is writing to the "SAINTS" at Ephesus. We still sin but we arent sinners we are SAINTS. There are numerous times in the Bible where Gods children are refered to as Saints. A saint is someone who is consecrated and set apart and once we surrender our lives to God then we are holy and set apart so I say that we arent sinners but saints.

 

[dignitized]

I will point out again - that the AUTHOR of most of the epistles called himself the CHIEF of sinners all the while calling other believers saints. He called others saints to EDIFY THEM and called himself a sinner because that's what he was - an apostle and the author of most of the books of the NT and a great man of God - but STILL a weak and sinful vessel. NOWHERE in the scriptures does anyone proclaim - I AM A SAINT. The only time the term saint is used is to EDIFY others. I am a sinner called to be a saint.