Are alot of christian men singles becuse many christian women prefer non christian husband?

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The sad thing is you would think God would bring Christians to pair together. How does a Christian coming together w/ a non-Christian & the Christian putting aside their faith advance the kingdom?
 
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I haven't been around many single Christian men. I can name three that I've met in the 12 years I've been saved.
So you're basing this:
It is hard to desire a Christian man because in general, they are boring. Who are they beyond their Christian beliefs? What are their hobbies, their interests, their goals, their personalities, etc? My perception and experience is that non-Christian men are more fun and it's easier to know who they are as a person.
Off of three people?
 
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The sad thing is you would think God would bring Christians to pair together. How does a Christian coming together w/ a non-Christian & the Christian putting aside their faith advance the kingdom?

I don’t believe the Lord is telling believers to partner with unsaved people. They made the choice on their own and I doubt He was silent. Which is only possible when the desire for companionship and fear of being alone exceeds their faith.

The kingdom is in good hands. I’d rather see smaller numbers of sincere believers than an army of lukewarm ones.

~bella
 
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I'm not around too many married Christians, but the handful of couples I know, I met them at church. There is one incident recently where a guy I know read one of my posts and it "scared" him to take his faith seriously. He was more laid back about his faith and would only occasionally go to church. He just married a similar type of Christian woman in the past year. She is struggling now that he is taking his faith more seriously, going to church regularly, and not partaking in the party lifestyle that attracted him to her.

It does go both ways. Both women and men can be backslidden or decide to be with someone who is not of the faith.
 
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When I did online dating, I made dumb decisions about what I wanted; for example, I focused way too much on looks. But I'm not like that anymore. I definitely know what I want in a man now!

Have you considered the possibility you’ve encountered them and overlooked him unknowingly? In light of your previous comment and admission of aesthetic bias I’m not surprised. Your frequency is tuned elsewhere.

I’ve been in many settings and I’ve only seen the man you described in one. If that’s honestly your type you need to find a church by a Christian college. You’re more likely to find him there.

I live near one and attended a church in the neighborhood with a younger demographic. There were a lot cute guys and I don’t normally look. And we were checking each out.

No one was leering or doing anything inappropriate. But we noticed one another. It was a different vibe and you could feel the receptivity. As body language experts would say, we were open not closed. It’s easier to make connections in an environment like that.

Sometimes you go to church and its a bunch of islands gathered in one room. You’ll be hard pressed to find someone in that place. If I was in your shoes and had trouble meeting singles I’d look for a church near the school or attend the one on campus if you like it. Or take a class instead. See if there’s a school with a graduate program in your area or one that offers continuing studies classes.

That’s where you’ll find the greatest concentration of singles. Conferences and groups are more likely to have couples. You’re still young. I wouldn’t care if he’s a few years younger. If he’s a catch I’d grab him.

~bella
 
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I don't think there are opportunities to get to know them. I had gone to a church for many years that was against having a Singles Bible study class (I no longer attend that church for that reason).

And for churches that had a singles ministry, those groups wound up fizzling after a couple of years usually because:

1. Many people coupled off and stopped attending.
2. Too much drama occurred, and it stopped.

I think there was this man and woman that ran the group, and he apparently had a thing for her. I think he was trying to impress her because obviously these groups allows an opportunity for people to use it as a platform to grandstand.

She relegated him to more of a friend zone status, which is what he didn't want...and he left the group...and kind of fizzled after that. Also, it wasn't backed by the church, they just allowed space for the meetings.
 
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Have you considered the possibility you’ve encountered them and overlooked him unknowingly? In light of your previous comment and admission of aesthetic bias I’m not surprised. Your frequency is tuned elsewhere.

I’ve been in many settings and I’ve only seen the man you described in one. If that’s honestly your type you need to find a church by a Christian college. You’re more likely to find him there.

I live near one and attended a church in the neighborhood with a younger demographic. There were a lot cute guys and I don’t normally look. And we were checking each out.

No one was leering or doing anything inappropriate. But we noticed one another. It was a different vibe and you could feel the receptivity. As body language experts would say, we were open not closed. It’s easier to make connections in an environment like that.

Sometimes you go to church and its a bunch of islands gathered in one room. You’ll be hard pressed to find someone in that place. If I was in your shoes and had trouble meeting singles I’d look for a church near the school or attend the one on campus if you like it. Or take a class instead. See if there’s a school with a graduate program in your area or one that offers continuing studies classes.

That’s where you’ll find the greatest concentration of singles. Conferences and groups are more likely to have couples. You’re still young. I wouldn’t care if he’s a few years younger. If he’s a catch I’d grab him.

~bella

At my church, it's mostly families, and it's just a crowd of people attending for an hour, and heading out to home or breakfast.

I think there was a time I saw a woman/island by herself...and sometimes wonder with each Sunday you should try to guess where she's going to sit next, by sitting where she sat last Sunday. lol. Not sure if that's kind of creepy or not, and you definitely cannot follow her out to the parking lot to introduce yourself.
 
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I know of a guy who was an unbeliever who pretended to be a pastor, had eight kids with a Christian woman, and proceeded to divorce her. You might be interested in reading Confessions of a Roadkill Christian by Faith Ann Raider.

But you're kinda talking to the wrong person on this and barking up the wrong tree. My dad was a Christian when he abused me. My brother was a Christian when he was totally confused in that situation and didn't help me. My mother was a Christian when she told all of my secrets to my dad and fed his abuse, too weak to really fight back. If anyone knows that Christian is NOT anti-abuse insurance, it's me. Christianity doesn't insure you against abuse any more than it insures you from getting punched in the face. And emotional abuse is basically a series of emotional punches to your self-worth face.

Also, if anyone endured abuse, it's Jesus Christ. It's hard to see because we're thousands of years in the future, but the Pharisees were sickos in the emotional abuse department. Really, a guy is going around healing people in your town - actually legitimately healing them - and you're asking him nasty questions to try and take him down. You value taking money from people more than helping them. Not to mention the physical abuse of the cross. We're over here crying because we're getting punched and kicked and thrown around, and meanwhile we don't even know what is like.

Avoiding abuse is a SECULAR value. Christianity is not about avoiding abuse and being "nice", it's about enduring abuse and overcoming it in God's strength and power. My abuse scars and the fact that I'm still standing after all that are God's glory, and if I have to endure more abuse for God's glory and honor, so be it. Our problem is that we don't train children to recognize that they will be facing abuse for their whole life, so they aren't prepared to take it on when it arrives and think it won't happen to them. They fail to recognize when they are being used and led astray into ineffectiveness.

Now let us be clear: a Christian abusing another Christian is WRONG. This instructions leave no room for abuse of any kind:



Meanwhile, I would also advocate for using wisdom to avoid an abusive marriage partner. As Proverbs says,







As I can testify, dealing with an abuser takes time and wastes years of your life spiritually battling that person for your very sanity. You don't want to put time into that if you don't have to. If you can take 2,000 hours of what would have been spent battling an abusive marriage partner and put that into a healthy marriage instead, that's a far better bargain. Better yet, put that into missionary work, evangelism and building the Church instead. You want to use your abilities in the most effective way for God's glory and honor.

Meanwhile, if someone is an abuser, not giving them an abusive marriage is the best thing you can do for them. Failure causes humans to think, if only a little bit. If they keep failing, and the abuse stops working for them, eventually they will stop doing it. Add one failure to the stack and warn the rest of the sheep.

But the beginning of this post was an anecdote to the fear of dating Christians because they might be abusive. Because Christians are actually more likely to be abusers than non-Christians. It is true.

The reason is that the sin nature of mankind, in Christians, is in the process of being cured. Which behavior is more unpredictable, a drug addict with a big supply of drugs or an addict going through withdrawal? Unbelievers tend to be sedate. They get enough Netflix to feed their sin nature, they will be okay going to their jobs and being lied to for the next 8 hours. A Christian comes home from work after being lied to for 8 hours and their mind is spinning with stress about how what their boss did was wrong, wrong, wrong and they feel powerless. Then they read Ephesians 5:22 and abuse their wife to get their sense of power back.

Meanwhile, the abusive wife reads Ephesians 5:22 and her sin nature is snarling against it. She will continuously complain about everything to force her husband to go through hoops for her, because she wants to control her husband. She will do this because her sin nature hates submission and wants to escape the marriage. But in an unbeliever marriage, the sin nature would be appeased by making the husband and wife "equal" and thus she wouldn't feel the need to deal with that unsubmissive part of herself.

The sin nature of mankind does not go gently into that good night. It is violent and adulterous - after all, it is responsible for all of the murders and adulteries in the world. It is the source of all abuse. And if you attack the violent, adulterous, and abusive part of yourself, it's going to fight back with what it has, which is adultery, abuse and violence. Now we should learn to contain this internal war inside of ourselves so that it doesn't affect others, but sometimes the reaction is so extreme that isn't possible. This thing can fracking control your emotions and your body without your conscious intervention. If I had a dime for every extreme emotion I've felt that I didn't want to feel that the sin nature inflicted on me, I would have enough money for a very nice yacht.

And I'm still not done. Because your marriage is, in the end, not about you and your pleasure or misery. It's about your witness to your children and your effectiveness for God's glory in showing the relationship between Christ and the Church. If you marry an unbeliever, your children will be receiving mixed marriages from the parents about what is true and they will have to be equipped to discern truth at an early age. Every lie the unbeliever parent tells that child that they believe is one more struggle that they will have to face as an adult that could impair their effectiveness for God's glory and honor.

Meanwhile, abusers lie to their children too, but the children are less likely to believe the lies that an abuser tells them. Why? Because abusers hurt! The more someone causes us emotional pain, the more likely we are to distrust the information source. Meanwhile, the unbeliever husband is the happier and slimier liar who is likely to win my child's affections and turn them against me. I mean, children have the sin nature of mankind - who are they going to like more, the strict Christian parent fighting their sin nature at every turn or the slimy unbeliever parent who appeals to the child's sin nature and buys it proverbial cookies? So much motherly grief praying for lost children.

For this reason alone, I would take the Christian abuser husband over unbeliever husband any day of the week. Of course, I would also take "remain single for the rest of my life" over Christian abusive husband any day of the week as well. But I'm going to date Christian men and shall not consider the unbeliever.




The common denominator in all relationships she had was her. I suspect this poor woman never recovered from her first abusive husband. If you don't recover, you're still an abuse victim, and abuse victims attract abusers.

This is why any guy who approaches me will be heavily scrutinized. I don't want to be jerk and I have put a lot of effort into my recovery and not looking like an abuse victim (thanks @bella for the latter), but still, I would prefer to hang back, observe guys, and pick one to pursue myself rather than have someone approach me. I suspect the low-hanging fruit grows on poison-fed trees and the fish that are the closest to my shore swim in toxic waters. Previously, I've had "success" by deciding that I want a guy who is better than me and "I can never have" and improving up to his level, rather than trying to find the guy I think I deserve. I aim to continue this pattern. My future husband must be someone who will continually push me to improve in the relationship, not someone who drags me down on purpose.

All this said, I have personally witnessed an abuser. My aunt and uncle...he endured her crap all his life. And well, because you're "Christian' you should be enduring it. She was very emasculating too. After 20+ years, he filed to divorce her.

Apparently, she wasn't liked by the family while he was dating her

The rest of us were like "About time!"

About the previous woman I mentioned 3 times divorced woman. The idea of being husband #4 after she's been all through that was a deal breaker.

Now, I wouldn't necessarily date an unbeliever (that's the extreme side). But I do weigh factors.
 
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I'm reminded of a Christian woman I met through the Meetup site in real life, but didn't really follow through with her.

This ties into the abuse topic I mentioned.

We were all at her house, around a firepit roasting marshmellows. When we were ending things, she aske that I put the skewer somewhere through the door on the right?

Anyways, I wound up putting it in the wrong spot, and she got onto me about it...like she got sassy with me in front of others...but she kind of played it down.

Later on, I was on OK Cupid...and she contacted me there. I kind of forgotten about that incident, as some time had passed. I figured I'd need to get to know her a little better, a little more Face time. She is a rather attractive, natural beauty...not much make-up.

First of all, she has an immaculate house. She has a house cleaning business. You cannot even enter the house with shoes on, even clean shoes. I'm thinking "What is this Japan?"

A little back ground on her...she is a former mail-order bride in her 40s. Now divorced and a Christian that drives a good distance to a more Russian speaking Christian church.

She came from a more psychologically abusive marriage. Was one of those women that was allowed to be seen but not heard. He kept her kind of hidden away. Wasn't allowed to have her own friends or social life. Went through that for 20 years.

On the date, she asked me if I had "clutter" around my home. Now, if you compare my place to her's, I have to say you could say this is very on par with a show-home for realtor. Very impressive...but I said that though I had more organized rooms,I have a couple of rooms with clutter in it, I am a collectorof sorts and had taken on my dad's antiques after he passed....sell them on Ebay etc. But TV room and living area is nice.

Anyways, she goes, "But I don't like clutter" and I'm like thinking, am I going to have to apologize to her for this? lol.

Also, I come to find out with her yard, which has a lot of landscaping to it, I think she was looking for a future husband for utilitarian reasons. Like she wants a guy to help keep maintaining the yard and house. I joked with her and was saying, "So you want a future repair man?"

I actually thought she wouldn't be interested in seeing me again due to these reasons. But she asked me out on a 2nd date to a church event...a fair type event. And it was on a day that I had made plans for my mother's B-day.

I told her this and she said, "Well, do you plan on being with her all day, can't you come after you're done?"

She seemed to be pressuring me. Also, she didn't seem to appreciate my ties to my own family or something. Of course, her parents live in another country, so maybe that's why. I almost got this, "If I were to marry her, would she 1. try to drive a wedge between me and family and 2. Attempt to be very controlling with me

Later on I found out through her room mate she got a facelift when she didn't need one, and 2ndly her agenda is now to find a retiree (older man) with a fat pension.

Anyways, to my point...you have to be able to foresee how this person will treat you. pick up on the signs and stuff of what it may wind up being if you wound up marrying this person...and with me, my vision of her wasn't pretty.

I would have a feeling I'd wind up in a loveless marriage, and same goes for the other men too who ever come across her. She's on the same dating site this veyr day.

But...some choose to ignore the signs.
 
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At my church, it's mostly families, and it's just a crowd of people attending for an hour, and heading out to home or breakfast.

That’s probably the case most places. I attended a conservative church with activities afterward. Groups were divided by age or focus. College, 18-30, young marrieds, married, women and so on.

There’s a sweet spot for singles in that environment. The majority are paired by their thirties. It’s possible not to cross paths beyond the sanctuary if you attend same sex bible studies and small groups.

That’s what I did. The only time I saw men beyond the service were in special interest classes (e.g. theology, spiritual gifts), specialized training (missionary prep), or church events (like a picnic). If they didn’t catch me then they’d have to grab me in between the others. I wasn’t available.

Not sure if that's kind of creepy or not, and you definitely cannot follow her out to the parking lot to introduce yourself.

If someone did that I’d be polite and say hello. I wouldn’t be rude. The church I referenced in my previous response wasn’t the norm. It’s proximity to a bible college skewed the demographic. Most attendees were 18-40 and the remainder were middle aged. We didn’t have many seniors.

The environment differed because of the energy and receptivity. We had a lot of marriage minded singles. You could feel it in the atmosphere. That’s why we noticed one another. When you’re in a setting where people are open to approach its easier to build connections.

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That’s probably the case most places. I attended a conservative church with activities afterward. Groups were divided by age or focus. College, 18-30, young marrieds, married, women and so on.

There’s a sweet spot for singles in that environment. The majority are paired by their thirties. It’s possible not to cross paths beyond the sanctuary if you attend same sex bible studies and small groups.

That’s what I did. The only time I saw men beyond the service were in special interest classes (e.g. theology, spiritual gifts), specialized training (missionary prep), or church events (like a picnic). If they didn’t catch me then they’d have to grab me in between the others. I wasn’t available.



If someone did that I’d be polite and say hello. I wouldn’t be rude. The church I referenced in my previous response wasn’t the norm. It’s proximity to a bible college skewed the demographic. Most attendees were 18-40 and the remainder were middle aged. We didn’t have many seniors.

The environment differed because of the energy and receptivity. We had a lot of marriage minded singles. You could feel it in the atmosphere. That’s why we noticed one another. When you’re in a setting where people are open to approach its easier to build connections.

~bella

I mean to add, on top of mostly families...it was either that, or the elderly (Boomer aged). If there were activities as such, then that's all you'd see even after church. it may be just my community, but even with work, everyone just wants to go home.

I recall at work a new guy trying to get together everyone after work to go out to eat or some activity, only to be disappointed. He complained to me about it, and I'm like "Yeah, life isn't like a TV show sitcom where everyone has this coffee shop or some place to become a regular thing, everyone just want's to go home to their families or just hit the bed".

You could say the entire community is a...bedroom community? I had to look it up, it's all the characteristics of a bedroom community, minus the long commute to work. Some have short commutes, and still go home to crash.

So on top of church, you have to figure in the whole culture of the community as well.

If you go to said functions, be it church or non-church, any functions really...they typically don't know anyone that's not coupled up and if they do, they can't really get them to come out to join them socially.

I used to work at a place where 2 married couples met at work, married, and now live together...that both commute to and from work...together.

Talk about joined at the hip. But it works for them.

When I would do online dating, I'd notice this new face, age 40+ on the site. Their story is always the same...they moved here to be closer to their older parents or a new job...and had realized there's no real opportunity to meet others in an organic fashion.

Anyone else here that's ACTUALLY single is of the...say...sketchy variety. Just think trailer parks and confederate flags and NASCAR...where most of their rap sheets are DUI records. If you google their name, you may see they have a record. Kind of of the Jerry Springer variety. (said tongue in cheek).

I recall this one gentleman posting some montage of himself, and a woman commented under is, "Looks like I may need bail money set aside for you, lol"

Alot people here also marry their high school sweet hearts. I recall going the local community college, and you'd figured you'd meet women there. But most were engaged or getting ready to marry to whomever they've locked in with their prom dates. Kind of sad. You may have seen my post about that 19 year old marrying young.
 
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Later on I found out through her room mate she got a facelift when she didn't need one, and 2ndly her agenda is now to find a retiree (older man) with a fat pension.

That’s the retirement plan scheme. They’re looking for someone to fund their lifestyle. I pay attention to the things people like, share, and desire in relation to their reality for that reason. When I see a pattern of expensive things or verbiage along those lines I wonder to myself who’s funding it?

I encourage men to paint me a picture and share their dreams. I want to hear them to determine if we’re on the same page. But make no mistake my calculator is running. If the ideal is beyond his earning power and he doesn’t have the ability to bridge the gap I know who’s filling in the blank.

Anyways, to my point...you have to be able to foresee how this person will treat you. pick up on the signs and stuff of what it may wind up being if you wound up marrying this person...and with me, my vision of her wasn't pretty.

I’ve met a few men who crave admiration. They want to feel important and camouflage their insecurities through displays of wealth. He longs to be the subject of oohs and ahhs from others. Marrying him is like mating with a termite. You’ll have nothing left.

Ego and self-importance is the other side of that. Sometimes a person has an image they’re trying to craft. How they want to be viewed by others but they can’t pull it off alone or it isn’t believable. And they’re looking for someone to play the part. Whose presence validates their ideal.

They won’t tell you they want a stepford woman. But if you marry him that’s what you’ll become. As you said, its important to see the life you have ahead if you take that course and don’t ignore it.

People often assume that Christian men are boring or golden boys. If they look under the hood they’ll see otherwise. He’s still a man. Hidden doesn’t equal absent. You have to know what to look for.

~bella
 
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I mean to add, on top of mostly families...it was either that, or the elderly (Boomer aged). If there were activities as such, then that's all you'd see even after church. it may be just my community, but even with work, everyone just wants to go home.

The only way to offset that is by attending a church with a different demographic. Small towns and suburbs are attractive to families. Singles usually live in cities for social reasons. There’s more to do.

You could say the entire community is a...bedroom community? I had to look it up, it's all the characteristics of a bedroom community, minus the long commute to work. Some have short commutes, and still go home to crash.

The Cheers thing exists. But you have to live in an area that’s very commercial and caters to gatherings. You need restaurants, bars, cafes, shops and entertainment in a small radius ideally accessible on foot. What realtors call the walkability score. The higher the number the more activity you’ll encounter.

When I would do online dating, I'd notice this new face, age 40+ on the site. Their story is always the same...they moved here to be closer to their older parents or a new job...and had realized there's no real opportunity to meet others in an organic fashion.

I think its a mistake if they aren’t settled nor do I agree with singles moving to similar places. They’ll struggle to find someone and few are willing to move. They’re unlikely to have the same earning potential.

If you have older parents to care for and you’re single bring them to you if you can. It’s easier to pick up and go when you’re younger. After a certain age they’re less willing to leave a job and start again. In that situation I’d limit myself to people who work from home with no encumbrances on mobility.

I’ve known many in this situation over the years. In most instances women move. Men do so in two scenarios: better prospects or loss of income.

I had a long talk with my family when it was evident the Lord wanted me elsewhere. We came to an agreement. I’m happy to assist but you can’t dictate the process. I welcome their input but getting it done is the goal and that’s my job. I can’t sabotage my future to do things their way nor should they expect me to do so.

I put my foot down for a reason. I watched how things played out with my grandparents and my grandmother was very stubborn. There’s a time for negotiation and a time for action. I’m not afraid to pull the trigger.

I told them to get their affairs in order and deal with their possessions. You do it while there’s time and you’re able bodied. In addition to my parents I have two unmarried aunts. I’ve seen what happens when people sit on their hands and leave the mess for others and its stressful.

It was important to make it clear I won’t return and deal with expectations upfront. Now they’re excited. They know they’ll be with me eventually and what it means. I’ve prepared them ahead of time.

Otherwise, my life would be over. One or two is plenty. Four is a handful! I have to address the hard things and quality of life too. Like diet, movement, activities, preparation and so on.

And I gave them a vision they can follow. Everyone has a duty and we’re paying it forward for the next. That doesn’t stop when you’re older. The role shifts but everyone has a part. You have to reiterate a sense of purpose and need with seniors. Oftentimes they feel they no longer matter. But whether they’re well or infirm they have a role to play and I expect them to do it.

That may sound strange but I’ve seen marriages break over this. The stress of parents and strain of family. They have to fall in line and his must too. I won’t marry a man where that’s the case. He’s under their thumb. I believe in cleaving. The covenant is foremost. That doesn’t mean we abandon our loved ones. But I won’t be controlled.

As Gollum says, you must protect the precious. That includes marriage and your ability to find a spouse.

~bella
 
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Women want men who know what they want and communicate it directly.

Cheap romance novels are big sellers because women buy them. 50 shades of gray and the twilight books were mostly bought by women, many of them Christian. I don't know a single woman who has ever bought book about Dilbert.
 
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No, certainly not. I was talking about my perception of Christian men in general, regardless of marital status.
Which you're basing off of 3 Christian men that you have met in the 12 years you have been saved?

Or are you letting the idea of other Christian men whom you have not met form your perception?
 
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Women want men who know what they want and communicate it directly.

True. But many are scared of rejection. So they beat around the bush, feel her out, or become friends instead. I don’t want someone crushing from afar. I want him to be honest and admit his desire to get better acquainted and acknowledge his interest.

Fear is exhausting. Once you move beyond it its really a question of yes or no and you’re not afraid. If they’re not into you move on to the next. You’ll never have what you want in life if you’re unwilling to fail.

Cheap romance novels are big sellers because women buy them. 50 shades of gray and the twilight books were mostly bought by women, many of them Christian. I don't know a single woman who has ever bought book about Dilbert.

While I haven’t read Twilight I see parallels with romance novels and Gray. In most cases he isn’t perfect and has his share of challenges. But his certainty is the constant. He wants her and doesn’t mince words.

Directness is the difference. It builds his confidence and increases his boldness. He’s not afraid to pursue her and that’s what they’re responding to. The testosterone and masculinity are appealing…aka exciting.

It produces an energy and magnetism. When he walks in a room you know it. You can feel the shift. That requires self-possession and the others. That’s how it begins. You can’t do the same if you spend your days fantasizing. Too afraid to say hello and get the ball rolling.

~bella
 
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I know of a guy who was an unbeliever who pretended to be a pastor, had eight kids with a Christian woman, and proceeded to divorce her. You might be interested in reading Confessions of a Roadkill Christian by Faith Ann Raider.

But you're kinda talking to the wrong person on this and barking up the wrong tree. My dad was a Christian when he abused me. My brother was a Christian when he was totally confused in that situation and didn't help me. My mother was a Christian when she told all of my secrets to my dad and fed his abuse, too weak to really fight back. If anyone knows that Christian is NOT anti-abuse insurance, it's me. Christianity doesn't insure you against abuse any more than it insures you from getting punched in the face. And emotional abuse is basically a series of emotional punches to your self-worth face.

Also, if anyone endured abuse, it's Jesus Christ. It's hard to see because we're thousands of years in the future, but the Pharisees were sickos in the emotional abuse department. Really, a guy is going around healing people in your town - actually legitimately healing them - and you're asking him nasty questions to try and take him down. You value taking money from people more than helping them. Not to mention the physical abuse of the cross. We're over here crying because we're getting punched and kicked and thrown around, and meanwhile we don't even know what is like.

Avoiding abuse is a SECULAR value. Christianity is not about avoiding abuse and being "nice", it's about enduring abuse and overcoming it in God's strength and power. My abuse scars and the fact that I'm still standing after all that are God's glory, and if I have to endure more abuse for God's glory and honor, so be it. Our problem is that we don't train children to recognize that they will be facing abuse for their whole life, so they aren't prepared to take it on when it arrives and think it won't happen to them. They fail to recognize when they are being used and led astray into ineffectiveness.

Now let us be clear: a Christian abusing another Christian is WRONG. This instructions leave no room for abuse of any kind:



Meanwhile, I would also advocate for using wisdom to avoid an abusive marriage partner. As Proverbs says,







As I can testify, dealing with an abuser takes time and wastes years of your life spiritually battling that person for your very sanity. You don't want to put time into that if you don't have to. If you can take 2,000 hours of what would have been spent battling an abusive marriage partner and put that into a healthy marriage instead, that's a far better bargain. Better yet, put that into missionary work, evangelism and building the Church instead. You want to use your abilities in the most effective way for God's glory and honor.

Meanwhile, if someone is an abuser, not giving them an abusive marriage is the best thing you can do for them. Failure causes humans to think, if only a little bit. If they keep failing, and the abuse stops working for them, eventually they will stop doing it. Add one failure to the stack and warn the rest of the sheep.

But the beginning of this post was an anecdote to the fear of dating Christians because they might be abusive. Because Christians are actually more likely to be abusers than non-Christians. It is true.

The reason is that the sin nature of mankind, in Christians, is in the process of being cured. Which behavior is more unpredictable, a drug addict with a big supply of drugs or an addict going through withdrawal? Unbelievers tend to be sedate. They get enough Netflix to feed their sin nature, they will be okay going to their jobs and being lied to for the next 8 hours. A Christian comes home from work after being lied to for 8 hours and their mind is spinning with stress about how what their boss did was wrong, wrong, wrong and they feel powerless. Then they read Ephesians 5:22 and abuse their wife to get their sense of power back.

Meanwhile, the abusive wife reads Ephesians 5:22 and her sin nature is snarling against it. She will continuously complain about everything to force her husband to go through hoops for her, because she wants to control her husband. She will do this because her sin nature hates submission and wants to escape the marriage. But in an unbeliever marriage, the sin nature would be appeased by making the husband and wife "equal" and thus she wouldn't feel the need to deal with that unsubmissive part of herself.

The sin nature of mankind does not go gently into that good night. It is violent and adulterous - after all, it is responsible for all of the murders and adulteries in the world. It is the source of all abuse. And if you attack the violent, adulterous, and abusive part of yourself, it's going to fight back with what it has, which is adultery, abuse and violence. Now we should learn to contain this internal war inside of ourselves so that it doesn't affect others, but sometimes the reaction is so extreme that isn't possible. This thing can fracking control your emotions and your body without your conscious intervention. If I had a dime for every extreme emotion I've felt that I didn't want to feel that the sin nature inflicted on me, I would have enough money for a very nice yacht.

And I'm still not done. Because your marriage is, in the end, not about you and your pleasure or misery. It's about your witness to your children and your effectiveness for God's glory in showing the relationship between Christ and the Church. If you marry an unbeliever, your children will be receiving mixed marriages from the parents about what is true and they will have to be equipped to discern truth at an early age. Every lie the unbeliever parent tells that child that they believe is one more struggle that they will have to face as an adult that could impair their effectiveness for God's glory and honor.

Meanwhile, abusers lie to their children too, but the children are less likely to believe the lies that an abuser tells them. Why? Because abusers hurt! The more someone causes us emotional pain, the more likely we are to distrust the information source. Meanwhile, the unbeliever husband is the happier and slimier liar who is likely to win my child's affections and turn them against me. I mean, children have the sin nature of mankind - who are they going to like more, the strict Christian parent fighting their sin nature at every turn or the slimy unbeliever parent who appeals to the child's sin nature and buys it proverbial cookies? So much motherly grief praying for lost children.

For this reason alone, I would take the Christian abuser husband over unbeliever husband any day of the week. Of course, I would also take "remain single for the rest of my life" over Christian abusive husband any day of the week as well. But I'm going to date Christian men and shall not consider the unbeliever.




The common denominator in all relationships she had was her. I suspect this poor woman never recovered from her first abusive husband. If you don't recover, you're still an abuse victim, and abuse victims attract abusers.

This is why any guy who approaches me will be heavily scrutinized. I don't want to be jerk and I have put a lot of effort into my recovery and not looking like an abuse victim (thanks @bella for the latter), but still, I would prefer to hang back, observe guys, and pick one to pursue myself rather than have someone approach me. I suspect the low-hanging fruit grows on poison-fed trees and the fish that are the closest to my shore swim in toxic waters. Previously, I've had "success" by deciding that I want a guy who is better than me and "I can never have" and improving up to his level, rather than trying to find the guy I think I deserve. I aim to continue this pattern. My future husband must be someone who will continually push me to improve in the relationship, not someone who drags me down on purpose.

Well said. I'm really sorry that other thread got locked as you made some great contributions to it. Keep up the great posts! I'm sure others would agree that you have a raw perspective of things that makes for a very interesting read on threads like this.
 
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Well said. I'm really sorry that other thread got locked as you made some great contributions to it. Keep up the great posts! I'm sure others would agree that you have a raw perspective of things that makes for a very interesting read on threads like this.
I would gladly give up every aspect of my "raw perspective" and all of the abilities that I extracted from my abuse situation to start life over again with a family who actually loved me. Posts that are drawn from painful experiences are not superior to those that are not, and they are probably inferior due to how much pain they cause others when they read them.
 
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