Amillennialism Safe House

[Christian Gedge]

I think I see what you mean. The answer is probably to be found in modern church history. When the protestant reformation began in 1517 AD eschatology was basically amillennial, although the term wasn’t used. Protestants never took issue with eschatology at that time. It was one of the doctrines they never felt needed reform.

However, in 1820 AD a powerful revival - the second awakening - came on to the scene with a new emphasis on premillennial eschatology. I don’t think that Charles Finney was premillennial, but simultaneous to this revival came a spate of borderline Christian end time theories. The classic examples were the Dispensationalists (1830 AD) and the Adventists. (1844 AD) These two movements have had a disproportionate influence on modern eschatology.

When the Fundamentalist movement developed in the early 20th century, they adopted dispensationalism as an article of faith, and branded it into the doctrinal statements of numerous modern Evangelical and Pentecostal denominations.

Hence the antipathy toward Amil that you are asking about. Fortunately, many are beginning to find their way back to a sounder eschatology.

 

[Think...]

I think I see what you mean. The answer is probably to be found in modern church history. When the protestant reformation began in 1517 AD eschatology was basically amillennial, although the term wasn’t used. Protestants never took issue with eschatology at that time. It was one of the doctrines they never felt needed reform.

However, in 1820 AD a powerful revival - the second awakening - came on to the scene with a new emphasis on premillennial eschatology. I don’t think that Charles Finney was premillennial, but simultaneous to this revival came a spate of borderline Christian end time theories. The classic examples were the Dispensationalists (1830 AD) and the Adventists. (1844 AD) These two movements have had a disproportionate influence on modern eschatology.

When the Fundamentalist movement developed in the early 20th century, they adopted dispensationalism as an article of faith, and branded it into the doctrinal statements of numerous modern Evangelical and Pentecostal denominations.

Hence the antipathy toward Amil that you are asking about. Fortunately, many are beginning to find their way back to a sounder eschatology.

Thanks for the response, CG.

Not quite what I was looking for. I will try to be more specific.

I am curious what doctrines others believe are threatened by Amill. For instance, Amill. negates the doctrine of The Sabbath Millennia that is so often thrown in the face of those debating scripture. Amill. also negates the Dispensational Pre-Trib. Rapture.

Are there any other well-known doctrines that are negated by Amill. so as to make it a serious threat to the mainstream Christian organizations?

Clearly, it's an itch they are struggling to scratch.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Are there any other well-known doctrines that are negated by Amill.

The biggest ones would be the 360-day year and Daniels 70th week being sent to the future.
Btw, when asking your questions, bear in mind that there are two groups of amil. Partial preterists treat the Olivet discourse differently from other amils.

 

[Think...]

Btw, when asking your questions, bear in mind that there are two groups of amil. Partial preterists treat the Olivet discourse differently from other amils.

Thank you, CG.

I have heard/read that, but haven't fully integrated it into my understanding. I'll have to study up on that.

As far as I understand, I am not Preterist about anything. I don't believe the Great Trib., nor Jesus' return, has already happened.

And as far as the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D., I believe Jesus refers to that in the earliest portion of Matthew 24, but I see a clear distinction there between it and the rest of the chapter where He is referring to His return and the Great Tribulation as well as the Wrath/Day of the Lord.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Ok, if you want to study the regular (non-pret) variety of amil, put your money down and read Kim Riddlebarger. Top notch!

 

[Think...]

Ok, if you want to study the regular (non-pret) variety of amil, put your money down and read Kim Riddlebarger. Top notch!

It's actually in my queue to read as much of his stuff as I can find. His name keeps popping up in the right places.

Will do.

 

[owly]

My initial exposure to the Amil poz was through Kim's stuff. Have read a small number of other writers on the subject since. Latest two being Kingdom Come by Sam Storms, and Davis' The High King of Heaven.

Davis' book is my personal favorite at the moment. Some of that is his writing style.

I also find it interesting to come across an alt position on certain text/s which you haven't come across in the other books.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

Would you like a simple timeline of the Bibles end time prophecy? Here it is. From the beginning of The Age of the Gentiles, (the four gentile empires when Nebuchadnezzar first conquered Judea until Titus, the prince of Daniel 9:26 is 666 years. 597 BC to 70 AD, (no year -0-). The next emperor after Titus is the first of the ten emperors prophesied is Daniel 7:7,24, Revelation 12:3, 13:1 & 17:3,12. By the way, Revelation 17:11 is Titus.

The little horn of Daniel 7:8, 24-25 is the eleventh of the ten emperors following Titus, Septimius Serverus. From the first year of his reign, 193 AD to the end of the Roman Empire is 1260 years. That number is mentioned first in Daniel 7:25 in regards to the saints being given into the hands of that empire for that amount of time. Then also in Revelation 13:5, 12:6,14 &11:1,3. The Roman Empire and The Age of the Gentiles ended in 1453 AD. From that time forward the hundred plus chapters of Bible prophecy about our present free world began to come to pass. How and why? Because that is exactly when the Bible, for the first time in human history started to make its way into the hands of the general public, in their own languages. Plus, without the powers that existed being able to take it away from them. They certainly tried.

The growing free world is exactly what this prophecy said would happen once the general population began to gain access to the Bible.

Isaiah 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the LORD, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel. 20 For the terrible one (kings, emperors, warlords, conquerors) is brought to nothing, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off: 21That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproves in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nothing.

Or just as this prophecy said:
Isaiah 55:10 For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, and returns not thither, but waters the earth, and makes it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:11 So shall my word be that goes forth out of my mouth: it shall not return to me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.12 For you shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.13 Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the LORD for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.

in a few months my new book will be out. "The Bibles Prophecy About The Free World." It points out a bunch of the more prominent chapters of prophecy about the world we now live in and the failing resistance to the free worlds growth.

 

[JM]

A critique of Postmil worth listening to.

BHoP#201 Xmillenialism

abriefhistoryofpower.com

Yours in the Lord,

jm

 

[sovereigngrace]

A critique of Postmil worth listening to.

BHoP#201 Xmillenialism

abriefhistoryofpower.com

Yours in the Lord,

jm

Postmillers are not allowed to post here. It is against board rules.

 

[JM]

Postmillers are not allowed to post here. It is against board rules.

I made a fellowship post.

• Members who do not believe in amillennialism may post in fellowship only.

 

[9Rock9]

How common is Amillennialism amongst Arminians?

Most of the ones I can think of are Premillennial.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

How common is Amillennialism amongst Arminians?

Most of the ones I can think of are Premillennial.

I'm not really sure. I am both. Why do you ask?

 

[9Rock9]

I'm not really sure. I am both. Why do you ask?

Maybe it's the circles I hang out in, but from my anecdotal experience, Arminians tend to be premillennial, while Calvinists can be premillennial, amillennial or postmillennial.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Maybe it's the circles I hang out in, but from my anecdotal experience, Arminians tend to be premillennial, while Calvinists can be premillennial, amillennial or postmillennial.

I think it's just your particular experience and not something that is true, overall. There is no direct correlation between being a Calvinist or Arminian and being premillennial, amillennial or postmillennial.

 

[rockscryout]

Hi all. I am new to this site and fairly new to amillennialism. I grew up and was trained as a dispensationalist IFB. I have been in full-time ministry for over twenty years. Over the last six years or so, I have come to hold to a realized millennium. That is a long story in itself that I may share someday. I am not looking to give up my Baptist heritage, but find the IFB too narrow in its view of eschatology. Reformed Baptist doesn't appeal to me because of its soteriology and I'm not sure that I would find much peace of mind within the SBC. Is there a denomination that holds to amillennialism and a traditional soteriology? I'm just feeling a little lost when it comes to finding my place in Christianity at large since my eschatology has changed.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Hi all. I am new to this site and fairly new to amillennialism. I grew up and was trained as a dispensationalist IFB. I have been in full-time ministry for over twenty years. Over the last six years or so, I have come to hold to a realized millennium. That is a long story in itself that I may share someday. I am not looking to give up my Baptist heritage, but find the IFB too narrow in its view of eschatology. Reformed Baptist doesn't appeal to me because of its soteriology and I'm not sure that I would find much peace of mind within the SBC. Is there a denomination that holds to amillennialism and a traditional soteriology? I'm just feeling a little lost when it comes to finding my place in Christianity at large since my eschatology has changed.

After doing a quick search, it looks like these denominations hold to both amilennnialism and non-Calvinist soteriology (Reformed Baptist is Calvinist, so I assume you're talking about non-Calvinist soteriology).

Lutheran, Anglican, Methodist, various Baptist groups, the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church.

I certainly would not recommend going to a Catholic church.