Amillennialism Safe House

[5thKingdom]

By the way their are others besides Jews and , and Arabic people to consider.
Where were the Sons of Japheth to Consider.
look at the Table of Nations.
The Narritive in the Old Testament is based around two sons of Noah.
Ham, who's generations formed Egypt, Nineveh, Sodom, Gomorrah and other Middle Eastern cultures.
The sons of Shem , who became the Tribes of Isreal.
You may want to consider the other Blessed Son as Noah decreed would dwell together with Shem.

By the way... do you think that Jews who deny Jesus have a Savior?


The world is full of descendants of ancient Jews - and they deny Christ
to this day. Do you find ANY Scriptures in the Bible that teach people
who deny Christ enter into the "Kingdom of God"? No, you do not.


So why in the world would you create or follow such a heretical doctrine?


Mat 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God
shall be TAKEN from you [Jews], and GIVEN to a nation
bringing forth the fruits thereof [Christians].


Jim

 

[Spiritual Jew]

No... you are ignoring the SCRIPTURES I posted.
So the laugh is on you (not me).

I don't ignore the scriptures at all. But, I'm going to ignore you from now on. You're not worth my time.

Do you not know about the Last Saints?

No, I always ask about things that I already know about. Where does scripture use the term "the Last Saints"? It doesn't. It looks like it comes from your vivid imagination.

The Saints living on earth when the Lord Returns?

Okay, so just say that then if you want people to know what you're talking about. Scripture never refers to "the Last Saints", so I didn't know what you were referring to exactly. I guess it's offensive to you for someone to not have heard that term before. So be it. I couldn't care less.

In Daniel 2:44 they are part of the "ten kings"
In Matthew 25:1-13 they are part of the "ten virgins"
In Daniel 7:24-27 they are part of the "ten horns" and "ten kings"
In Rev 17:12-13 they are part of the "ten horns" and "ten kings"
In Rev 10:7-11 they preach as the 7th Trumpet "begins to sound"
In 1Co 15:50-54 they are "changed" in the "twinkling of an eye"
In Mat 24:15 they are the (only) one who "see" the "Abomination"
In Mat 24:33 they are the ones who "see ALL these things"
In Dan 12:8-12 they are the ones who "shall understand"


There are over TWO DOZEN passages in the Bible that talk about
the Last Saints. I have only given you nine (9) examples above.
How can it be that you are not familiar with the Last Saints?

Because I don't need to be familiar with that term. It's unbiblical. Paul talks about those who are alive and remain until the coming of Christ (1 Thess 4:14-17). If you want to call them "the Last Saints", so be it, but I have no interest in using that label.

And you want to pretend I have a problem because YOU do not
have a clue about what the Bible PROMISES about the Last Saints?
Sorry, but it is YOU that has a problem with the Gospel of the Bible,
if you do not understand what it PROMISES about the Last Saints.

LOL. I have no problem with the gospel of the Bible whatsoever. I do have a serious problem with you, however. You are so arrogant that it makes me sick.

Dan 7:11-12
I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the [FOURTH] Beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. As concerning the rest of the Beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives
were prolonged for a SEASON AND TIME.


So... the BIBLE says "their LIVES WERE PROLONGED" but you
say the Bible is wrong.

Don't ever tell me that I'm saying the Bible is wrong. Just because I interpret some of it differently than you does not mean I'm saying it's wrong. I'm saying YOU are wrong. I'm saying it's a parenthetical verse referring to the three beast kingdoms that preceded the fourth beast kingdom in time.

Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

When it says the fourth beast "was diverse from all the beasts that were before it", I take that to mean it was a kingdom (beast = kingdom - see Daniel 7:23) that was diverse from the kingdoms that existed before it.

The Bible even NAMES how long their "LIVES WERE PROLONGED"...
it NAMES the period the "Season and Time".


But you pretend the "Season and Time" does not exist
(because you do not understand the Scripture) and you pretend
their LIVES were NOT prolonged (because you do not understand
the Scripture).

I don't appreciate your false accusations. I do not deny that their time was prolonged at all. But it was prolonged after they lost their power, which had come before the fourth beast kingdom arrived on the scene.

As I already told you, I understand how frustrating it is to learn
that you do not understand PART of the Gospel - the PART about
the Last Saints.

I'm not frustrated about anything except your overbearing arrogance which I'm not going to put up with any longer after this post. Frankly, it's embarrassing that you're an amillennialist. You do not represent us well at all.

Do you not know about the Last Saints?
The Saints living on earth when the Lord Returns?
You think these SCRIPTURES about the Last Saints are "cultish"?

I was not familiar with that term. So what? Get over it. The way you speak seems cultish because you act as if only you have all the answers and everyone else here has to learn from you. Get over yourself.

 

[5thKingdom]

I don't ignore the scriptures at all. But, I'm going to ignore you from now on. You're not worth my time.

Let me see... did that comment submit to Scripture?

1Pe 3:15
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts:
and be ready always [be always ready - not sometimes but always]
to give an answer [not withhold an answer, always GIVE and answer]
to every man that asketh you [not some men but ALL men]
a reason of the hope that is in you [what the Gospel says]
with meekness and fear:


So we see (clearly) that the BIBLE commands us what to do...
and you have decided to ignore (or reject) the Bible command.
(1) I wonder WHY you think your position is Biblical? OR
(2) Do you KNOW it's not Biblical - but you just don't care?

Don't bother to answer (as if you could) because it's
a rhetorical question.

Jim

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Let me see... did that comment submit to Scripture?

1Pe 3:15
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts:
and be ready always [be always ready - not sometimes but always]
to give an answer [not withhold and answer, always GIVE and answer]
to every man that asketh you [not some men but ALL men]
a reason of the hope that is in you [what the Gospel says]
with meekness and fear:


So we see (clearly) that the BIBLE commands us what to do...
and you have decided to ignore (or reject) the Bible command.
(1) I wonder WHY you think your position is Biblical? OR
(2) Do you KNOW it's not Biblical - but you just don't care?

Don't bother to answer (as if you could) because it's
a rhetorical question.

Jim

I didn't want to respond to you anymore after my last post, but I just had to respond to this. It's quite noticeable that you underlined everything in 1 Peter 3:15 except for where it says "with meekness and fear". That's not surprising coming from you. LOL! Your approach is the opposite of meekness and fear.

Also, you aren't asking me any questions because you are wanting to know about the gospel, so that verse has nothing to do with our discussion.

Also, that verse has nothing to do with discussing the timing of Revelation 19:20 and Revelation 20:10 (which has nothing to do with the gospel), it has to do with sharing the gospel "with meekness and fear" to anyone who asks us. It looks like that "meekness and fear" part is a real problem for you. LOL.

 

[5thKingdom]

No, I always ask about things that I already know about. Where does scripture use the term "the Last Saints"? It doesn't. It looks like it comes from your vivid imagination.

I have already provided (some of) those SCRIPTURES...
please do not ask me to teach you what the Bible says TWICE.
I think that is a fair and reasonable request... don't you?

Previously posted verses:

Daniel 2:44 they are part of the "ten kings"
Matthew 25:1-13 they are part of the "ten virgins"
Daniel 7:24-27 they are part of the "ten horns" and "ten kings"
Rev 17:12-13 they are part of the "ten horns" and "ten kings"
Rev 10:7-11 they preach as the 7th Trumpet "begins to sound"
1Co 15:50-54 they are "changed" in the "twinkling of an eye"
Mat 24:15 they are the (only) one who "see" the "Abomination"
Mat 24:33 they are the ones who "see ALL these things"
Dan 12:8-12 they are the ones who "shall understand"


There are over TWO DOZEN passages in the Bible that talk about
the Last Saints. I have only given you nine (9) examples above.
How can it be that you are not familiar with the Last Saints?

OK... here is the TRICK.
(1) you have to read the verse carefully.
(2) you have to believe the verse completely.
(3) you have to THINK about what the verse MEANS.

When a verse says that Saints will preach Biblical mysteries as the
Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound"... you have to be able to figure
those are the Last Saints preaching because NOTHING happens after
the Seventh Trumpet besides the Final Judgment.

Jim

 

[5thKingdom]

I didn't want to respond to you anymore after my last post, but I just had to respond to this. It's quite noticeable that you underlined everything in 1 Peter 3:15 except for where it says "with meekness and fear".

But HERE is what you insist on ignoring:
(wait for it.....)


The Bible commands the Saints preaching from Pentecost until
the END of the Great Commission to preach "with meekness and fear".
Nobody is disputing that as True.


But you DO NOT understand the CONTEXT of where you are now
in history/reality. The Bible gives commands to the Saints WHILE
they are preaching the Great Commission (you gave an excellent
example when you quoted the END of 1 Peter 3.15) nobody is
disputing that - it's just not relevant because it's the wrong context.


However you have ignored (for the third time)
that the Bible also commands what (and how) Saints preach
during the time AFTER the end of the Second Woe (Sixth Trumpet)
and the BEGINNING of the Third Woe (Seventh Trumpet)
I can give you the chapter and verse if you do not know them.
But HERE is a related Scripture:


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Rev 11:14
The Second Woe IS PAST;
and, behold, the Third Woe cometh quickly.

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So we KNOW the Bible teaches there is a time (on earth)
AFTER the Second Woe and BEFORE the Third (eternal) Woe


The Bible commands, (as the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound")
that the (Last) Saints preach Biblical "mysteries"
which had remained "closed-up" and "sealed"...
and the mysteries are preached by the (Last) Saints
as the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound"


You (should) already know there is NOTHING AFTER
the Judgment of the Seventh Trump except the resurrection
and the Final Judgment. So if some Saints preach "closed-up"
and "sealed" Biblical mysteries about the END (about the TIME
AFTER the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound")...
it does not take a rocket scientist to know those Saints preaching
are the LAST Saints... because ONLY Judgment comes AFTER
the Seventh Trumpet... after their preaching.


See... you must understand the CONTEXT of where you are
because HERE is what the Bible (what the Lord) commands of
the (Last) Saints - when those Saints preach as the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound":


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Luk19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

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Now...
the only question we have is whether you are able to find
the CONTEXT of when Luke 19:27 represents?


Do you understand the CONTEXT of the verse?
I will give you a hint... look at verse 19:15


Now that you (hopefully) understand the CONTEXT
of the time when the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sounds"
you are in a position to try to discern the MEANING of Luke 19:27


Jim

 

[now faith]

Right... sending SCRIPTURES is the "root of bitterness".
There is no "battle" when one side refuses to address SCRIPTURES.
And, I notice YOU cannot respond to the SCRIPTURES either... what do
you think THAT indicates - or is that thought just too divisive for you?

Jim

Your quick to Judge,by the way Noah had three sons.
Noah Cursed the generations of Ham.
Noah did not curse the generations of Japheth.
The generations of Shem did not become Isreal until Jacob.


Genesis 10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. 3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah. 4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim. (5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands )every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. 6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. 7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtecha: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan. 8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the LORD: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the LORD. 10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. 11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah, 12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city. 13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim, 14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim. 15 And Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth, 16 And the Jebusite, and the Amorite, and the Girgasite, 17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite, 18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad. 19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha. 20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations. 21 Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born. 22 The children of Shem; Elam, and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram. 23 And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash. 24 And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber. 25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was (Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided)and his brother's name was Joktan. 26 And Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazar-maveth, and Jerah, 27 And Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah, 28 And Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba, 29 And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these were the sons of Joktan. 30 And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest unto Sephar a mount of the east. 31 These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations. 32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

If you are trying to comprehend eschatology, you may want to start with the beginning.
Two out of the three sons populated the middle east.
One the son of the Bond Woman, the other the son of the free

Noah decreed the Sons of Japheth would dwell in the tents of Shem.

 

[now faith]

By the way... do you think that Jews who deny Jesus have a Savior?


The world is full of descendants of ancient Jews - and they deny Christ
to this day. Do you find ANY Scriptures in the Bible that teach people
who deny Christ enter into the "Kingdom of God"? No, you do not.


So why in the world would you create or follow such a heretical doctrine?


Mat 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God
shall be TAKEN from you [Jews], and GIVEN to a nation
bringing forth the fruits thereof [Christians].


Jim

Why do you ignore The Coveanut that God set fourth?
As far as your heretical doctrine comment, that was uncalled for.
Are you going to Burn people because they have another perspective?
After all Calvin did,55 times in Geneva..
But your not bitter right?

 

[now faith]

By the way... do you think that Jews who deny Jesus have a Savior?


The world is full of descendants of ancient Jews - and they deny Christ
to this day. Do you find ANY Scriptures in the Bible that teach people
who deny Christ enter into the "Kingdom of God"? No, you do not.


So why in the world would you create or follow such a heretical doctrine?


Mat 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God
shall be TAKEN from you [Jews], and GIVEN to a nation
bringing forth the fruits thereof [Christians].


Jim

You do realize the Christ was not speaking to the Jewish people all together right?

Matthew 21:32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him. 45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. 46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.

Who contended with our lord the most?
The Sadducees, Pharisees, and Scribes.
He had masses of people gathered round him, when He was teaching.
They were Jews.
He was persecuted by the religious leaders, who had contention among each other.
The Sadducees taught a different doctrine than the Pharisees.
They were the Priest of the Temple, who held on to the same idolatrous way as their Father's.
They murdered the Prophets of God.
The Hebrew people had two masters, Rome and false Religion.
Does this sound familiar?
What do we have today, Religion fighting among its self, while the common people move further away from God.
you are promoting replacement theology based on using the Bible like a Cafeteria.

 

[5thKingdom]

Why do you ignore The Coveanut that God set fourth?

What are you talking about?
Is it too much to expect you to cite one or two SCRIPTURES
to support your statements? Or, are we debating your "feelings".
I cannot debate your "feelings"... only Biblical doctrines.

As far as your heretical doctrine comment, that was uncalled for.
Are you going to Burn people because they have another perspective?
After all Calvin did,55 times in Geneva..
But your not bitter right?

Whoa... I asked if you know of SCRIPTURE teaching that people
who REJECT and DENY the Lord Jesus Christ can enter into the
eternal "Kingdom of God"... and you want claim something I said
is "heretical", even when I provided SCRIPTURES for each statement.


Mar 6:11-12
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you,
when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet
for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be
more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment,
than for that city. And they went out, and preached that men
should repent.


Moreover, I don't know why you are now talking about Calvin.
He did not teach ANYTHING that I have "revealed" from Scripture,
HOW COULD HE? The Bible promises that no Saint "shall understand"
until those living during the Revelation Beast and/or Great Tribulation...
during the period called "The Time of the End" [Dan 12:8-10] and as
the "Season and Time" [Dan 7:7-11]


... Calvin is simply not relevant to our discussion - that a "straw man".
You are arguing a fallacy, not a doctrine. Try addressing MY statements.
And, this time, address them SCRIPTURE instead of just your "feelings".


I ask you again, do you know of any SCRIPTURE teaching people
who REJECT and DENY the Jesus enter into the "Kingdom of God"
might want to THINK about the meaning of this verse which I have
already provided to you. This is JESUS' WORDS (not mine or Calvin).
And they directly contradict your "feelings".


Jim

 

[5thKingdom]

You do realize the Christ was not speaking to the Jewish people all together right?

Yes, after studying the Bible for 50 years, I do understand that Jesus
was almost always talking to (a) His Disciples - through the entire
"Church Age"... the "lost Sheep" Christians "seek and save" by
preaching the Gospel throughout the entire "Church Age" or
(b) the FALSE disciples claiming to be "Christians". Here is
the Biblical context on WHO the Lord was talking:


Mar 4:10-12
And when He was alone, they that were about Him with the twelve
asked of Him the parable. And He said unto them, Unto you it is given
to know the mystery of the Kingdom of God: [to the "sheep/wheat"]
but unto them that are without [not "wheat/sheep"], all these things
are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive;
and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time
they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.


Remember, the Words of Christ recorded for us in the New Testament
were directed toward Christians throughout the "Church Age".


Even a "babe in Christ" can see that Jesus was talking to the "sheep"
He came to save - throughout the Church Age - and He was NOT
talking to men NEVER MEANT to "perceive" the Gospel or to ever
"understand" the Gospel... or men NEVER MEANT to be "converted"
or to "have their sins forgiven". Clearly, men who were NEVER MEANT
to "have their sins forgiven" were never PART of "His Sheep".


Whenever a "Jew" would be converted he would become a "Christian"
and "Christians" are either [Mat 13] saved "wheat/sheep" in the church
(sown by God and destined to eternal live) and unsaved "tares/goats"
in the church (sown by Satan and destined to the same eternal torment


Mat 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire,
prepared for the devil and his angels:


Remember, BEFORE Jesus came God was only saving (certain) JEWS.
But AFTER Jesus came God was saving Jews + Gentles.
Jew + Gentile = "the world".
This is the Gospel


Some men were NEVER MEANT to "have their sins forgiven"...
if you do not LIKE this critically important PART of the Gospel,
then your argument is with Jesus (no me). I promise you,
I did not write Mark 4:10-12.

Who contended with our lord the most?
The Sadducees, Pharisees, and Scribes.
He had masses of people gathered round him,
when He was teaching. They were Jews.

First, you err because you do not understand the Scriptures.
Everyone who REJECTED Jesus not only "contended" with Him,
they demonstrated they were NEVER MEANT to be "His Sheep"
This is not difficult. Please do not think about this SCRIPTURE


Joh 10:14-16
I am the Good Shepherd, and know My sheep,
and am known of mine [sheep]. As the Father knoweth Me,
even so know I the Father: and I lay down My life for the SHEEP.
And other [Gentile] SHEEP I have, which are not of this [Jewish] fold:
them [Gentiles] also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice;
and there shall be ONE FOLD, and ONE SHEPHERD.


Now, just so YOU are clear:


The Gospel of the Bible does NOT teach that Jews rejecting Christ
would be saved, or Moslems rejecting Christ would be saved, or that
Buddhist or Hindus or Atheist rejecting Christ would be saved, nor
the ancient Pagans or modern Secular Humanists. The Bible is clear
some men were NEVER MEANT to "have their sins forgiven" [Mk 4]

you are promoting replacement theology based on using the Bible like a Cafeteria.

You know, after preaching Gospel Truths for 50 years, I can understand
that most people were NEVER MEANT to "perceive" or "understand"
the Gospel [Mk 4:10-12 above]. So I can you creating straw man
arguments like "replacement theology" (not a Biblical doctrine nor
anything I have said). I am simply REPEATING what Scripture says.
AND IF NOT.. simply show me ONE VERSE that contradicts anything
I have written.


But you cannot do that - because the preaching of the Last Saints
is PART of the Gospel of the Bible... I have already shown you (twice)
several verses that talk about the preaching of the Last Saints... and
yet, you do not offer SCRIPTURE to refute a word I said. I have only
seen you present your personal "feelings" and straw man arguments.


If I am wrong on ANY end-time doctrine... doctrines about Daniel's
Fourth "Beast/Kingdom" or the Revelation "Beast" or the period that
JESUS NAMED the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]


Jim

 

[5thKingdom]

If you are trying to comprehend eschatology, you may want to start with the beginning. Two out of the three sons populated the middle east.
One the son of the Bond Woman, the other the son of the free
Noah decreed the Sons of Japheth would dwell in the tents of Shem.

Faith... you are making this MUCH more difficult than the Gospel
of the Bible. Please tell me, doe the Gospel teach that ANYONE
rejecting Jesus will enter into the "Kingdom of God"?


Be they Jew or Moslem or Hindu or Buddhist of Atheist or modern
Secular Humanists or ancient Pagans... does ANYONE rejecting Christ
enter into the "Kingdom of God"?


Jim

 

[now faith]

Faith... you are making this MUCH more difficult than the Gospel
of the Bible. Please tell me, doe the Gospel teach that ANYONE
rejecting Jesus will enter into the "Kingdom of God"?


Be they Jew or Moslem or Hindu or Buddhist of Atheist or modern
Secular Humanists or ancient Pagans... does ANYONE rejecting Christ
enter into the "Kingdom of God"?


Jim

I agree

 

[now faith]

What are you talking about?
Is it too much to expect you to cite one or two SCRIPTURES
to support your statements? Or, are we debating your "feelings".
I cannot debate your "feelings"... only Biblical doctrines.





Whoa... I asked if you know of SCRIPTURE teaching that people
who REJECT and DENY the Lord Jesus Christ can enter into the
eternal "Kingdom of God"... and you want claim something I said
is "heretical", even when I provided SCRIPTURES for each statement.


Mar 6:11-12
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you,
when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet
for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be
more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment,
than for that city. And they went out, and preached that men
should repent.


Moreover, I don't know why you are now talking about Calvin.
He did not teach ANYTHING that I have "revealed" from Scripture,
HOW COULD HE? The Bible promises that no Saint "shall understand"
until those living during the Revelation Beast and/or Great Tribulation...
during the period called "The Time of the End" [Dan 12:8-10] and as
the "Season and Time" [Dan 7:7-11]


... Calvin is simply not relevant to our discussion - that a "straw man".
You are arguing a fallacy, not a doctrine. Try addressing MY statements.
And, this time, address them SCRIPTURE instead of just your "feelings".


I ask you again, do you know of any SCRIPTURE teaching people
who REJECT and DENY the Jesus enter into the "Kingdom of God"
might want to THINK about the meaning of this verse which I have
already provided to you. This is JESUS' WORDS (not mine or Calvin).
And they directly contradict your "feelings".


Jim

Rather than debate, why not teach?

James 3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

 

[now faith]

The point of these Forum's is to edify others.
It actually is not as much about who post in the discussion, it is about the viewers of this discussion.
As the threads age people stop by and study what is written.
The viewers may be seeking answers to questions, and not have fifty years of Bible study.
Sometimes I become Contrary to the discussion, in order to invoke thought.
Even though I have studied Gods Word myself for fifty-four years I understand others have not.

 

[now faith]

God Bless

 

[Spiritual Jew]

The point of these Forum's is to edify others.
It actually is not as much about who post in the discussion, it is about the viewers of this discussion.
As the threads age people stop by and study what is written.
The viewers may be seeking answers to questions, and not have fifty years of Bible study.
Sometimes I become Contrary to the discussion, in order to invoke thought.
Even though I have studied Gods Word myself for fifty-four years I understand others have not.

I agree. Well said. So, what is your current belief then? This particular forum is for Amillennialists. So, are you an Amillennialist or something else? I'm not going to tell you to leave the forum if you're not, but I'm just curious.

 

[Think...]

I have read over half this thread, and will continue to read the entirety of it, but I'd like to ask the opinion of those taking part in the discussion. I have no intention of hijacking or taking the thread off course, and my question certainly pertains to the topic of Amil.

I'm curious why this topic is so threatening to modern Christendom. If it's not true, why isn't it just laughed off and corrected thoroughly with solid scripture?

Why the hostility and silencing of the subject?

If it is true (and I'm convinced it is), what does that mean for the status quo that is so deeply taboo?

 

[Christian Gedge]

I'm curious why this topic is so threatening to modern Christendom.

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Are you referring to modern eschatology?

 

[Think...]

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Are you referring to modern eschatology?

No. Not specifically.

I'm referring to all of modern Christianity in general. Almost all modern churches, TV Pastors, Preachers, Christian Radio hosts, Popular Youtube Preachers, etc. teach something other than Amillennialism.

The concept is very stigmatized. I mean, we're having this conversation in a segregated thread called 'Amillennialism Safe House.'

Most concepts are freely spoken of, and debated, in all Christian Forums. This one is very unwelcome among the vast majority of mainstream Christian churches and places of discussion - while at the same time being the most accurate, and aligned, with scripture.

Again, my question is why do you believe that is the case? And what does the Amil. concept threaten about the most commonly held belief systems of Christianity?

I know that it threatens maybe a handful of specific false doctrines that have been made common, but I'm asking the opinion of those here.