The Four Stages of Mankind's Redemption:

[Spiritual Jew]

No. Matt 25:31-32 (ESV) clearly say otherwise. The judgment occurs after the 2A (and after Armageddon and Matt 24:31 — the gathering of the sheep). The goats are unbelievers who survive the 7-year Trib.

Matt 25:31-46 (ESV):
“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

No, the goats are all those whose names are not written in the book of life.

Matthew 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Revelation 20:15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[keras]

If I happened to have the wrong interpretation of Revelation 20 that would be a case of questioning the validity of the whole Bible? Never has a more nonsensical statement ever been made.

By disagreeing with your interpretation of Revelation 20 am I denying the deity of Christ? Am I denying that He died for the sins of the whole world? Am I denying that He rose from the dead? Am I denying that He will come again in the future? The answer is no to all of those questions. So, no, if someone interprets Revelation 20 wrongly that does not mean they are questioning the validity of the whole Bible.

What you AMill's disagree with, is the plain, straightforward narrative of Revelation 20.
Making it out to be 'highly symbolic', and not literal, without any valid - let alone scriptural reason to do so, constitutes an attack on Bible integrity.
It means that the whole Bible is open to your gross misinterpretations.

I'm sure you have the way to Salvation right and the Promise of Jesus in John 3:16 is yours. But we all must face Judgment and as 1 Corinthians 3:12-15,, says how those who built their faith on wrong beliefs, will be saved only by passing thru fire. That is: the test of 1 Peter 4:12, a literal fire sent from the Lord, that will sort out the good grain from the chaff; Matthew 3:12

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

No, the goats are all those whose names are not written in the book of life.

Matthew 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Revelation 20:15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

No. There are living unbelievers and there are dead unbelievers. The dead unbelievers are judged only in the GWTJ (Great White Throne of Judgment in Rev 20:11-15). The living unbelievers are judged in Matt 25:41-46.

You’re missing the sequence that will occur. The 7-year Trib ends in Matt 24:29. Then, Matt 24:30 starts the 2A (2nd Advent). Matt 24:31 then gathers the sheep. Since the Trib already ended, the goats (unbelievers who survive the Trib) are gathered, too. The judgment of the sheep and goats then begins.

The Millennial Kingdom begins in Rev 20:1-3.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

No. There are living unbelievers and there are dead unbelievers. The dead unbelievers are judged only in the GWTJ (Great White Throne of Judgment in Rev 20:11-15). The living unbelievers are judged in Matt 25:41-46.

You’re missing the sequence that will occur. The 7-year Trib ends in Matt 24:29. Then, Matt 24:30 starts the 2A (2nd Advent). Matt 24:31 then gathers the sheep. Since the Trib already ended, the goats (unbelievers who survive the Trib) are gathered, too. The judgment of the sheep and goats then begins.

The Millennial Kingdom begins in Rev 20:1-3.

No unbelievers will survive the second coming of Christ, so the goats cannot possibly be living unbelievers. Scripture teaches that heaven and earth, as we know them, will be burned up and will pass away when Jesus returns unexpectedly as a thief in the night on a day and at an hour that no one but the Father knows.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. 36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

2 Peter 3:3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. 8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

No unbelievers will survive the second coming of Christ, so the goats cannot possibly be living unbelievers. Scripture teaches that heaven and earth, as we know them, will be burned up and will pass away when Jesus returns unexpectedly as a thief in the night on a day and at an hour that no one but the Father knows.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. 36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

2 Peter 3:3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. 8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

You are mixing together different timeframes that are far apart in time. The passing away of Earth occurs in Rev 20:11 (ESV): Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.

That occurs after the thousand-year Millennial Kingdom. That's a thousand years after the 2A (2nd Advent).

Immediately after the 2A (Rev 19:11) and Armageddon (Rev 19:11-16) is when Matt 25:31-46 will occur (before the Millennial Kingdom).

Let's precisely define the unbelievers who enter the Trib. Rev 3:10 (ESV): Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.

There are two groups cited by Jesus in Rev 3:10: ""you" and "those." "You" represents all the believers whom Jesus will keep from the hour of trial. The "hour of trial" is the 7-year Trib featuring 21 judgments of God's wrath (Rev 6 - 16). "Those" are "those who dwell on the earth" during the Trib. They are the unbelievers who are left behind after the pre-Trib rapture. Many survive the Trib and it is they who end up as the goats in Matt 25:41-46.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

You are mixing together different timeframes that are far apart in time.

No, I'm not. Look at both passages again. They each speak of what will happen when Jesus returns. Both speak of Jesus coming unexpectedly while bringing down global destruction. How can those be different events? They are not.

 

[keras]

It is a mistake to think Matthew 24:39 ad 2 Peter 3:7. refer to the glorious Return of Jesus.

1 Thessalonians 5:3-5 You friends, are not in the dark, that Day will not come upon you like a thief. You are children of the Light, of the day. We do not belong to night and darkness. But while they are saying: all is peaceful, all secure; then destruction is upon them, suddenly as the pangs that come upon a woman in childbirth and there will be no escape.

‘You My friends’ - Those who love Him and keep His commands.

John 15:14-15 You are My friends if you do what I command you. No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is about, I call you friends because I have disclosed to you everything that I heard from the Father.

‘that Day’- Jesus quoted Isaiah 61:1-2a at the commencement of His ministry. He stopped at ‘and a Day of vengeance of our God’. That therefore, must be the next prophesied event.

It is wrong to think ‘that Day’ is the Return of Jesus in His glory, for these main reasons;

1/ The situation will hardly be: ‘all is peaceful’, at the end of the Tribulation and with the Anti Christ’s army coming to attack Jerusalem!

2/ The Return will not come ‘as a thief’, that is unexpectedly, because as anyone with a Bible can read that after the AC places his image in the Temple, it will be 1260 days, then the Return.

3/ As described to us in many prophecies, the Day of wrath is a worldwide event, on all nations:

Zephaniah 1:7 Keep silent in the presence of the Lord, for the Day of the Lord is near, the Lord has prepared a sacrifice and set apart those His has invited.

Isaiah 13:9 The Day of the Lord is coming, that cruel Day of wrath and fierce anger, to reduce the earth to a desolation and to destroy the wicked there.

Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, all the proud evildoers will be as stubble, that Day will set them ablaze leaving them neither root nor branch.

Revelation 6:17 For the great Day of their wrath has come and who can stand?

‘like a thief’- That is, unexpectedly to all the godless peoples and to those who have ignored or failed to understand the prophetic warnings.

Revelation 3:3 If you do not wake up, you will not know the moment of My coming.

Revelation 16:15 See: I am coming unexpectedly. Happy is the one who stays awake and ready.

Isaiah 46:10 From the beginning I reveal the end, from ancient times what is yet to be.

‘children of the light’-

1 Thess. 5:8 We who belong in the light, must keep prepared and armed with salvation.

Isaiah 42:6 I have formed and destined you to be a light to the nations.....

‘they say; all is peaceful, all secure’- The enemy nations prepare a surprise attack on Israel.

Micah 4:12 They do not understand God’s purposes, they are gathered like sheaves on the threshing floor.

Matthew 24:37-44 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be when the Son of Man comes*. Then they ate, drank and married right up to the day Noah went into the ark. They knew nothing until the flood came and swept them all away. That is how it will be when the Son of Man comes. Be ready, therefore, lest He comes when you are unprepared. *He sends His fiery wrath, Psalms 11:4-6

‘suddenly destruction is upon them’- This is the Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, prophesied over 100 times in the Bible and accurately described as a CME explosion of the suns surface. Isaiah 30:26

Isaiah 47:8-11 Listen to this, you lovers of luxury, living carefree and thinking you will never be in mourning. Suddenly, in a single Day disaster will come upon you.

Jeremiah 25:32-33 The Lord says: Ruin spreads from nation to nation. A mighty tempest blows up and those whom the Lord has slain on that Day will lie scattered all over the world.

‘there will be no escape’-Everyone will be affected, this Day will come upon everyone. Luke 21:35

Romans 2:3 Do you imagine that you can escape the judgement of God?

Isaiah 2:19 They will creep into caves to hide when the Lord strikes the world with terror.

Revelation 6:16-17 They called out: Hide us from the wrath of God and the Lamb’.
Ref: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

No, I'm not. Look at both passages again. They each speak of what will happen when Jesus returns. Both speak of Jesus coming unexpectedly while bringing down global destruction. How can those be different events? They are not.

You still are rearranging the Bible.

Matt 24:29-30 (ESV): “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

That is the start of the 2A. The Trib ends, then sometime after that, the 2A occurs. Jesus proceeds to Armageddon: Rev 19:11-21 (ESV):
Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. 13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule[c] them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly directly overhead, “Come, gather for the great supper of God, 18 to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great.” 19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army. 20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. 21 And the rest were slain by the sword that came from the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse, and all the birds were gorged with their flesh.

It is after Armageddon that Matt 25:31-46 occur.

After those judgments, the Millennial Kingdom begins and lasts for 1,000 years.

The MK ends when Satan is thrown into the lake of fire (Rev 20:10).

After that, the GWTJ (Great White Throne of Judgment) occurs in Rev 20:11-15. Only in Rev 20:11 does the fleeing away of the earth occurs.

Please note that your cited verses occur at the same time of Rev 20:11. There is a gap from Matt 24:30 to Matt 24:35. The events cited above occur in the exact sequence stated in the Bible. Matt 24:35 clearly occurs after the GWTJ, about 1,000 years after the 2A.