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Amillennialism Safe House

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by mnorian, Mar 21, 2019.

  1. 5thKingdom

    5thKingdom Newbie


    Erik, I see that (again) you provided correct information (from Tony)
    about "Jerusalem" in prophecy representing the "Body of Christ",
    first in Israel (the Jews) and later in the Church (the Christians).

    And I understand the RULES of this safe house, and do not mention
    the following to cause division or argument - as they are subjects
    that are NOT covered by you (or Tony). I mention them only to
    advance the information you have already provided. And, as such,
    it would be interesting to see your response - as you ignored post
    #119 (the post immediately proceeding your last comments).

    For the most part I only REPEAT the information you ignored,
    although I have added some facts to focus on some critical issues.
    And I understand that Tony did not teach you any of these matters
    but I am interested in YOUR opinions - not Tony's teachings.

    (1) When was the "Millennial" reign of Christ?
    We (in this "safe house" can all agree the "Millennial Kingdom"
    was when the church "lived and reigned with Christ" after Satan
    was "bound" at the Cross for a (spiritual) 1000 year period...
    representing the "Church Age"... the saving of the "other fold"
    which Jesus spoke about, being the "Shepherd"

    John 10:16
    And other sheep [Christians] I have,
    which are not of this [Jewish] fold: them also I must bring,
    and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold,
    and one shepherd.

    However, the ISSUES I mentioned in post #119 are related to
    the period AFTER Satan is "loosened" for his "Little Season"...
    AFTER the thousand years are finished.

    Rev 20:3
    And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up,
    and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations
    and AFTER THAT he must be loosed a Little Season.

    Rev 9:1-4
    And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven
    unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
    And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out
    of the pit [spiritual darkness/heresies], as the smoke of a great furnace;
    and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of
    the smoke of the pit
    .[the light-givers or the "elect" in the church]
    And there came out of the smoke [out of this darkness, NOT out
    of the Bottomless Pit]
    locusts upon the earth: and unto them was
    given power, as the scorpions of the earth [false prophets] have
    power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the
    grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; [none
    of the elect]
    but only those men which have not the seal of
    God in their foreheads


    So now we get BACK to the points originally posted in #119:
    I will simply REPEAT the questions answered in that post and
    ignored by you. Again, this is not to ARGUE, it's only to add
    some CLARIFICATION to some issues not being addressed.
    Namely, the EVENTS happening AFTER the Millennial Kingdom
    ends... but BEFORE the resurrection occurs and the Last Saints
    are "changed in a twinkling of an eye".

    (a) the time period WHEN the Amillennial Kingdom ENDS
    and the BEGINNING of Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven",
    ... also shown as the 7-Headed Revelation Beast, and also shown
    as Satan's "Little Season" on earth, and also shown as Daniel's
    Fourth Beast/Kingdom on earth.

    Mat 25:1
    Then [at that time] shall the [Great Tribulation] Kingdom of Heaven
    be likened unto
    [look like] ten virgins [the last "wheat and tares"],
    which took their lamps [took their Gospels], and went forth
    to meet the bridegroom [Jesus].

    And (b) you could note the Bible clearly teaches the loosening
    of Satan to rule during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
    does not begin until AFTER the last Saint has been "sealed" (saved).
    Satan is not "loosed" to rule during his "Little Season" (of Rev 20:3),
    until AFTER the last Saint is saved. And the 7-Headed Revelation
    Beasts do not arise until AFTER this Last Saint has been saved.

    This provides some context of what events happen AFTER
    the Amillennial Kingdom (of the Church age) is over and AFTER
    the "testimony" of the church ("two witnesses") has been"finished"
    [Rev 11:7]. The two "candlesticks and olive branches" = the church.

    Rev 7:1-3
    And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners
    of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should
    not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree
    . And I saw
    another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living
    God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it
    was given to hurt the earth and the sea
    , Saying, Hurt not the
    earth, neither the sea, nor the trees
    [representing all the saints]
    till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

    And (c) the Last Saints, last "wise virgins", must be saved BEFORE
    the end of the church age - and BEFORE the Holy Spirit has been
    "taken out of the way". It is important to establish that the
    Bible teaches none of the Great Tribulation (or Revelation Beast)
    EVENTS could occur until AFTER the Holy Spirit had been
    "taken out of the way".

    In other words Christ and the church could not "live and reign"
    during the "Little Season" when Satan and his Antichrist RULE.
    God's Salvation Plan ends before Satan is "loosed" from the Pit.

    2Th 2:6-7
    And now ye know what withholdeth that HE might be revealed
    in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only
    he who now letteth will let
    [the Holy Spirit that now restrains,
    shall continue to restrain]
    until he be taken out of the way.

    (d) You might also have mentioned the revealing of the "Man of Sin"
    sitting (ruling) in the "Temple" (the Christian Kingdom) and the actual
    appearing of the Lord (which "reveals" this Man of Sin) cannot occur
    until AFTER the Holy Spirit is "taken out of the way" and AFTER
    the Great "Falling Away" occurs (during the Great Tribulation).

    2Th 2:3-4
    Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day
    [Christ's Return] shall not come, except there come a
    [great] falling away FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed,
    [to the Last Saints] the son of perdition; Who opposeth and
    exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped;
    so that he as God sitteth [rules] in the temple of God,
    [the Great Tribulation Kingdom] shewing himself that he is God.

    2Th 2:8
    And then [at that time] shall that Wicked [Little Horn/Rev Beast]
    be revealed, [to the Last Saints, the "wise virgins"] whom the Lord
    shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the
    brightness of his coming: Even him [the Man of Sin], whose
    coming [rule] is after the working of Satan with all power and
    signs and lying wonders,

    Rev 13:2 (Must be compared to Daniel 7:3-7 to discern context)
    And the Beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, [Daniel's Fourth
    Beast, the Great Tribulation Beast/Kingdom, LOOKED LIKE Daniel's
    Third Beast - the Christian Beast/Kingdom]
    and his feet were as the
    feet of a bear [showing Daniel's Second Beast - Jewish Kingdom],
    and his mouth as the mouth of a lion [representing Daniel's FIRST
    Beast/Kingdom - the Pre-Flood Kingdom]
    : and the dragon [Satan]
    gave him [the Revelation Beast or the Antichrist] his power, and
    his seat, [his rule] and great authority.

    And (e), In fact, the Bible PROMISES the truths (mentioned above)
    could NEVER be known (by any previous Saint) until the period called
    the "time-of-the-end' [Dan 12:8-10] or the "Season and Time"
    [Dan 7:11-12].

    Dan 12:8-10
    And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord,
    what shall be the end of these things? And he said, Go thy way,
    Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed [to all the Saints]
    till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white,
    [Last "wheat" or Saints] and tried; but the wicked [foolish virgins]
    shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand;
    but the wise [the Last Saints, or "wise virgins"] shall understand.

    (f) In fact, Scripture also PROMISES the Last Saints would PREACH
    these mysteries (fulfillment of Daniel's/Great Tribulation prophecies)
    while the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound". So this prophecy
    has been "revealed" exactly as the Bible PROMISED during
    the "time-of-the-end" or the "Season and Time".

    Dan 7:11-12
    I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which
    the horn spake: I beheld even till the [Revelation] Beast was slain,
    and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame [aka, given
    to the "Lake of Fire" of Rev 19:20]
    As concerning the rest of the beasts,
    they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged
    for a Season and Time.
    [which is a specific period in history]

    The "time-of-the-end" or "Season and Time" AFTER
    Satan's "Little Season" is also shown as the period AFTER
    Rev 20:10 but BEFORE Rev 19:20... and the period AFTER
    the Second Woe is finished, but BEFORE the Third Woe begins
    [Rev 11:14]. In fact, this period is shown in MANY other passages...
    you can see a few in Chapters 1.2 and 1.3 here:

    And (g) It's important to note that ONLY these Last Saints
    ["wise virgins"] alive on earth at the time of the Lord's Return
    "shall understand" the truth about these EVENTS. That the Bible
    PROMISES no other man can understand (see Daniel 12:8-10 above)

    ... sort of like how the Jews could not understand as their "Kingdom"
    was "taken away" and the Christian "Kingdom" began... as the
    LAST Jewish saints were "harvested" into the Christian Kingdom.
    [John 4:35 and Mat 21:43]

    John 4:35
    Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest?
    behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields;
    for they are white already to harvest.

    Mat 21:43
    Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God
    shall be TAKEN from you [Jews], and GIVEN to a nation
    bringing forth the fruits thereof [Christians].

    And (h), So the Great Tribulation/Revelation Beast does not BEGIN
    until the Christian Kingdom (the Amillennial Kingdom) ENDS, and
    the Holy Spirit has been "taken out of the way" so Satan
    could be "loosed" from the Bottomless Pit to RULE
    during his "Little Season".

    Rev 17:12
    And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received
    no kingdom as yet [in the Millennial Kingdom - during the Church Age];
    but receive power as kings one hour with the [Revelation] Beast.
    [during the Great Tribulation Kingdom or Satan's "Little Season"] These ten
    [kings/horns] have one mind, and shall give their power and strength
    unto the
    [Revelation] Beast.

    (i) Now, WHY in the world would the "ten virgins" or "ten horns"
    or "ten kings" ever decide to "give their Kingdom" to
    the Revelation Beast? The answer is simple:

    Rev 17:17
    For God hath put in their hearts to Fulfill His Will,
    and to agree, and give their Kingdom unto the [Revelation]
    Beast, until the words of God [all prophecy] shall be fulfilled.

    While I agree that your teaching of Tony's doctrines about WHAT
    the "Millennial Kingdom" represents - and WHAT "Jerusalem"
    represents in prophecy... these OTHER ISSUES that are also
    related to the Great Tribulation/Revelation Beast/Little Season
    and should be incorporated to provide proper (Biblical) CONTEXT
    to WHEN the "Millennial Kingdom" ENDS and what events occur
    during Satan's "Little Season" AFTER the 1000 yrs.

    Last edited: Mar 26, 2021
  2. TribulationSigns

    TribulationSigns Well-Known Member Supporter

    United States
    Tony Warren's doctrine and his studies are almost identical to my doctrine. I only referred people to Tony's completed study links to save my time.

    I did not see your posts because 5thKingdom is on my ignored list. However, I will take a look at your website. Thanks.