Adam ?

[Sammy-San]

That's fine... but here is a fact we all know. For >>ALL<< have been born with the penalty of death hanging over their head. You, me, EVERY HUMAN since Adam was born with a click ticking toward our death. The wage of sin is death... get it... you are going to die because of a condition you are BORN INTO.

However, Jesus wasn't... and the difference between him and us is he didn't have an earthly father, we do. He GAVE HIMSELF up for death... but we saw him calm storms, raise the dead, and more. He could have gotten off that pole/cross and lived. He CHOSE not to... he sacrificed himself for us.... the point being, he didn't HAVE TO DO... we do. He had an earthly mother like you and I... but he didn't have an earthly father like we do. We are born into sin, he is not. Therefore, sin isn't passed by the mother. We see that in my explanation just now, and in Romans 5:12-21.

Be blessed.
Ken

He passed down sinful dna to all offspring-why exactly do only the male ones transmit it in conception? The mother gets sin from Adam too.

 

[Ken Rank]

He passed down sinful dna to all offspring-why exactly do only the male ones transmit it in conception? The mother gets sin from Adam too.

Sam, I can't say with 100% certainty why the male passes it on, but that is a biblical fact. If the woman passed it on, Christ was born with sin. But since Joseph was not his father, and the mother doesn't pass sin on, he wasn't born in sin. I THINK the reason for the male passing it on is simply that God gave ADAM dominion over creation, not Eve. So, when Eve ate death did NOT enter creation...but when Adam ate the process leading to death DID enter creation. That is why sin is passed on by the male... because it was to the male that God gave dominion.

 

[Sammy-San]

Sam, I can't say with 100% certainty why the male passes it on, but that is a biblical fact. If the woman passed it on, Christ was born with sin. But since Joseph was not his father, and the mother doesn't pass sin on, he wasn't born in sin. I THINK the reason for the male passing it on is simply that God gave ADAM dominion over creation, not Eve. So, when Eve ate death did NOT enter creation...but when Adam ate the process leading to death DID enter creation. That is why sin is passed on by the male... because it was to the male that God gave dominion.

Is it silly to you to think if a Christian gets married and has a family they are the reason another person has to repent? I thought of that lately.

 

[Ken Rank]

Is it silly to you to think if a Christian gets married and has a family they are the reason another person has to repent? I thought of that lately.

Everyone minus Yeshua has been been born under the penalty of death. Again... before Adam sinned he was in close intimate fellowship with God. And God was Adam's source for all understanding. It was "as if" Adam was plugged into God. And once Adam sinned, it was "as if" he unplugged and now had to chose between good and evil on his own.

When we are born we are "unplugged" and when God draws us (John 6:44) and we come in faith submitting to Him as 'LORD' then we are, in a sense, plugging back in and allowing God to determine what is good and acceptable and what is evil and in need of being avoided. The idea of "repent" is really the idea of "RETURNING" and if you have the ability, look it up in Hebrew. Teshuvah, the word we would translated as repent with the meaning of "turning away from" is really the concept of returning... or turning away from sin (or having to choose between good and evil) but not just away from sin, away from sin and TO GOD allowing Him to make the determination regarding our daily walk.

 

[he-man]

It says in Genesis 1:31, "God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day".
The fact that everything that God created was "very good", can only mean that Both Adam and Eve were "without sin", as sin did not enter the world till Genesis chapter 3, at which time both man and woman fell because of their disobedience to God, and their obeying the lies of the devil.

No, Eve failed and she caused Adam to be disobedient and to imply that it was a devil is to go beyond what the scriptures say. Not to mention that the "talking snake" was sentenced to crawl on its belly. I don't suppose you ever heard about a talking donkey and when Ballam opened his eyes he saw the Angel of the Lord standing in his way (Numbers 22). Did that make the Angel a devil? Since the Israelites knew of no demons or devils, I think you are sadly mistaken.

 

[Ken Rank]

No, Eve failed and she caused Adam to be disobedient and to imply that it was a devil is to go beyond what the scriptures say. Not to mention that the "talking snake" was sentenced to crawl on its belly. I don't suppose you ever heard about a talking donkey and when Ballam opened his eyes he saw the Angel of the Lord standing in his way (Numbers 22). Did that make the Angel a devil? Since the Israelites knew of no demons or devils, I think you are sadly mistaken.

Adam caused Adam to be disobedient. We can't blame others when we sin, since we have the ability to make choices. Thus, we should blame Eve, Satan, or even God for Adam sinning. Adam had the ability to choose....

 

[Sammy-San]

Everyone minus Yeshua has been been born under the penalty of death. Again... before Adam sinned he was in close intimate fellowship with God. And God was Adam's source for all understanding. It was "as if" Adam was plugged into God. And once Adam sinned, it was "as if" he unplugged and now had to chose between good and evil on his own.

When we are born we are "unplugged" and when God draws us (John 6:44) and we come in faith submitting to Him as 'LORD' then we are, in a sense, plugging back in and allowing God to determine what is good and acceptable and what is evil and in need of being avoided. The idea of "repent" is really the idea of "RETURNING" and if you have the ability, look it up in Hebrew. Teshuvah, the word we would translated as repent with the meaning of "turning away from" is really the concept of returning... or turning away from sin (or having to choose between good and evil) but not just away from sin, away from sin and TO GOD allowing Him to make the determination regarding our daily walk.

This whole concept of sin feels like Japanese to me.

 

[Ken Rank]

This whole concept of sin feels like Japanese to me.

Then don't worry about it. Just live for the Lord, reflect Him in your words and deeds and keep your eyes (and heart) trained on Him. The rest takes care of itself, Sam.

 

[he-man]

Adam caused Adam to be disobedient. We can't blame others when we sin, since we have the ability to make choices. Thus, we should blame Eve, Satan, or even God for Adam sinning. Adam had the ability to choose....

No, Eve lied to Adam Genesis 3:17

 

[Sammy-San]

Then don't worry about it. Just live for the Lord, reflect Him in your words and deeds and keep your eyes (and heart) trained on Him. The rest takes care of itself, Sam.

That's a good analogy for unbelievers-a language we weren't born into is just as logical our perspective cannot perceive it.

 

[Ken Rank]

No, Eve lied to Adam Genesis 3:17

Adam knew the difference... God told him directly not to eat. So Eve could have told him anything and he still had God's words, "Don't eat of the tree of good and evil" and he did. End of story...

 

[Aman777]

Adam knew the difference... God told him directly not to eat. So Eve could have told him anything and he still had God's words, "Don't eat of the tree of good and evil" and he did. End of story...

Can anyone tell us why Adam sinned? Be specific please... Why would Adam listen to her and not God?

 

[mozo41]

Can anyone tell us why Adam sinned? Be specific please... Why would Adam listen to her and not God?

because GOD breathed life into him and he became a living soul ...

 

[mozo41]

Adam knew the difference... God told him directly not to eat. So Eve could have told him anything and he still had God's words, "Don't eat of the tree of good and evil" and he did. End of story...

how could he know ( knowledge ) the difference ( comparison ) unless he ate ...

 

[miknik5]

Adam knew the difference... God told him directly not to eat. So Eve could have told him anything and he still had God's words, "Don't eat of the tree of good and evil" and he did. End of story...

God also (in HIS command to Adam) said in the day you eat of it

Showing GOD already foreknew there would be that day

 

[miknik5]

Can anyone tell us why Adam sinned? Be specific please... Why would Adam listen to her and not God?

Because according to the command he was destined to do so. Showing that man is not perfect and is in desperate need of GOD’s GRACE

 

[Aman777]

Because according to the command he was destined to do so. Showing that man is not perfect and is in desperate need of GOD’s GRACE

Amen. Humans are born of flesh but must be born again Spiritually from above by God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, or he is none of His.

Rom 8:9 ¶ But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.

 

[Ken Rank]

Can anyone tell us why Adam sinned? Be specific please... Why would Adam listen to her and not God?

Because Adam was not made equal to God. Adam was "good" and made in the image of God, but was not created to be God's equal. Thus, if God is "perfect" and Adam was made less than God, then Adam was made less than perfect and there is your room for error.

 

[Ken Rank]

how could he know ( knowledge ) the difference ( comparison ) unless he ate ...

What I meant was that Adam knew the difference between what God said and what she said. He obviously didn't have the depth of understanding between good and evil until he ate.

 

[Aman777]

Because Adam was not made equal to God.

Adam was made with the air (heaven) dust (ground without form) and water which contained darkness/death and were made APART from the perfect God. Only God is immortal and perfect. In order to be as God, one must be born again, Spiritually.

Adam was "good" and made in the image of God, but was not created to be God's equal.

Adam is not yet "good" and won't be until the Rapture when he puts back on his perfect body. It happens at the end of the present 6th Day/Age.

Thus, if God is "perfect" and Adam was made less than God, then Adam was made less than perfect and there is your room for error.

God knew Adam would fall before the foundation of the world, and that is WHY Jesus had to die for man's sins in God's mind.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him,(anti-Christ) whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.