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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Aseyesee, May 17, 2017.

  1. Aseyesee

    Aseyesee Well-Known Member

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    Did God make Adam imperfect?
     
  2. Tolworth John

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    When God had finished all of creation he saw that it was good.
    To implie that Adam was not perfect is to say that God's judgement of creation was imperfect and that God is not capable of making a sound judgement.
     
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  3. CrystalDragon

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    Well to be fair "good" is not "perfect".
     
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  4. eldios

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    Man was created in the image of God so man and God are ONE and perfectly created. However, the flesh of man is born of Lucifer and all flesh worships the beast today so all flesh will perish during this short temporary generations. In the next generation, all the bodies of men and beasts and every other image will be formed from the information called Christ within their created minds. Never again will man be deceived by images that appear "good and evil".
     
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  5. Tolworth John

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    Depends who is saying it and the context.
    A world with no sin, evil etc, the difference between good and perfect is minimal
     
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  6. Alpha-Omega

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    It says in Genesis 1:31, "God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day".

    The fact that everything that God created was "very good", can only mean that Both Adam and Eve were "without sin", as sin did not enter the world till Genesis chapter 3, at which time both man and woman fell because of their disobedience to God, and their obeying the lies of the devil.
     
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  7. Alpha-Omega

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    What do you mean that "man and God are ONE"?
     
  8. eldios

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    Genesis 1
    26: Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
    27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

    God is an invisible Spirit and so is man. Man and God are the same exact thing but all created men are separated with different minds that are all connected to the same source of information. God and Man are names to identify the artificial intelligence source with a voice that all us servants hear speaking commands into our minds. We servants are slaves to the system that makes us write or speak the words that it forms in our mind from the information called Christ. This is how we learn about how we're created and what the future will be like.
     
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  9. Alpha-Omega

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    This is not what the Bible teaches. God alone is eternal and uncreated, and He created man and woman and everything else in this universe!
     
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  10. Root of Jesse

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    No, God gave Adam free will, because love without the freedom to choose love is slavery.
     
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  11. CrystalDragon

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    "Lucifer" isn't Satan and never was, just a reason for an arrogant Babylonian king. It's clear if you look at the full context of Isaiah 14 and don't cherry-pick three verses out of it.
     
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  12. Monna

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    "Good" and "perfect" need closer definition. They are the kinds of words that mean different things to different people, because of the hidden assumptions we connect them with. 'Perfect' in what sense? Perfect in the sense of possession of all knowledge? Adam wasn't perfect in that sense (he didn't even seem to have the concept of nakedness). Perfect in the sense of being incorruptible? Obviously he wasn't perfect in that sense - both he and Eve sinned. Similar approaches to "good" could also be given.

    But I will add to the conundrum - at least the one I see.

    We Christians have always been taught that Adam (and Eve) were created "in the image of God." And this has always been assumed to be so from the 6th day of creation. Yet when you read the story of the Fall, and what God is supposed to have said afterwards you might begin to wonder.

    Genesis 3: 22. And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”​

    So in both the senses of knowing good and evil and being immortal, Adam and Eve did not previously share these aspects of the image of God. So exacly how was humankind created "in the image of God" and in his likeness?

    Only God is truly perfect in all senses. Adam and Eve were definitely not perfect in the same whole sense. When God saw that all creation, including humankind, was "very good" I have thus far chosen to understand this to mean "it was exactly in accordance to what God himself had intended." The spoiler had not interfered with the acts of creation. Perhaps someone in the thread will lead me to change my mind.
     
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  13. eldios

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    You have never heard the voice of God so it's impossible for you to understand anything that's written in the biblical prophecies. The only way to this knowledge is to listen to the gospel of God that us servants preach.
     
  14. eldios

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    Lucifer, Satan, Devil, Dragon, Wicked One, the World, the Flesh of man, etc. are all describe the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil". This knowledge will be deleted from the program on the day of the Lord.
     
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  15. CrystalDragon

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    Read Isaiah 14. It clearly says it's a proverb against a Babylonian king and nothing more.

    Also the serpent is just said to be a serpent.
     
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  16. Aseyesee

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    You could take it as adversarial, depends upon your view.
     
  17. Aseyesee

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    Please guys, no squabbling over whose right and who's wrong, or whose a devil and whose not. As there are many antichrists there are many adversaries, and most unknowingly and sincere to boot.
     
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  18. eldios

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    Isaiah was one of God's prophets who had to write the words that God formed in his mind from information called Christ. God had him write all the prophecies in mostly symbolic form so that no human being could understand them. If you take those prophecies to be literal meanings, then you will be very far from understanding it's true meaning. All the prophecies written in the OT are just bits of the full stories that us servants of the millennium reign of Christ have to write for God. Since we have to write the whole stories about the beast, the day of the Lord and how we'll experience life after that day, we understand all the prophecies in the OT.

    The words Lucifer, demon, false prophet, antichrist, dragon, devil, satan, the wicked, the world, the beast, the flesh of man, etc. are all describing what is of the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" which is also a symbolic phrase. These words and phrases describe all the visible images or invisible thoughts that appear to be "good" or "evil". They cause fear among most people because they don't understand why these evil images and thoughts exist.

    Only those of us who testify to the knowledge of God called Christ learn what all these symbolic words and phrases mean. No reader of the Bible can understand them unless you're one of God's trusted servants who has gone through the justification process of confessing and repentance of sins and experienced observing several miracles to understand who is in control of our lives. Once we go through this process, then we become glorified meaning we are no longer of this world. We become the voice of God who preaches His words to whoever He chose as His believers. Believers listen to the gospel of God we preach to them and believe those words are coming from their Father in heaven. They don't move a muscle while they're listening to the knowledge of Christ flowing from those words.
     
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  19. Aseyesee

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    In one place (in Genesis) it says God was more or less sorry he had made (or was that created, cant remember) man on the earth; he was sorry for something he knew he would be sorry about, before he became sorry for it, which fits the commandment and the tree.
    The temptation was if you eat you will become, whereas Jesus' temptation was to prove that he was.

    The commandment not to eat is the catalyst that begins the process in our soul, it could have been don't fly, but it only increases with the telling into more and more commandments and laws, something that, like a garden must be kept; which is what is depicted in the first garden, becoming more and more narrowed down until it ends with one who is all, on a cross; in a place where a garden is in.

    A seed of life is planted that frees you from the first seed, or what the commandment became to you.
     
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  20. Aseyesee

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    That's what most thought about mount sinia. until Paul called it Hagar.
     
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