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Salvation is a Gift.
You dont endure to possess a "Gift".
So Jesus said we must endure to the end and your saying that we don’t have to.
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Salvation is a Gift.
You dont endure to possess a "Gift".
Yes, he also teaches all that carnality as "works of the flesh".
He also teaches that to do it, is "use not your liberty for an occasion to the flesh".
What i teach on this forum, as i Taylor'd it, regarding the biggest NEED, here, is ..
"how to stop sinning and confessing".
See, all my Threads are related to how to do that as Paul teaches it.......like this...."Christ always gives me the Victory".
Ephesians 1:14 doesn't say redeemed.all these.
1.) The Chosen are the jews
2.) the born again are the redeemed.
Yes, I agree. Even so, Paul was admonishing the born again Christians about this very thing, with the warning that if they continued in sin, they would be lost. Paul taught this in His Gentile Gospel in many Passages throughout all his letters to the Churches.
Where does Paul teach the words "born again", setst777?
From what I remember of the new creation... it's not at all like what happens in the gospel where "born again" is actually used. In fact, at least one verse links "born again" with the Kingdom of Heaven... which is what Jesus taught as His gospel.
I'm not sure there are differences on what sola fide means, as much as a question of what the implications of it are. Of course, not all are genuine in their attempts to understand as many are simply looking for something that makes them feel good without challenging them, and others are looking for a means of having power over other human beings which will land them on one or the other side of the fence. Part of the problem is that salvation has been confused with justification, when in fact the salvation in the Bible is far closer to Theosis than a legal declaration. We are sanctified by grace as much as we are justified by it, and all of it by faith.I don’t know, a growing number of non-Catholic and non-Orthodox Christians are coming to question Sola Fide, while others wrestle with the “Lordship salvation” vs. “Free grace” model debate.
The amount of diversity among Protestants as to what Sola Fide does and doesn’t mean is considerable, and shows that this issue is far from settled or agreed on among many Christians.
New Creation (2 Corinthians 5:15-17),
New Life (Romans 6:1-6),
Regeneration (Titus 2:3-6)
Made Alive by the Spirit in us (Romans 8:9-10).
Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Since this is Paul's gospel... you believe 1 Corinthians 15:1-8, correct?
Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Since this is Paul's gospel... you believe 1 Corinthians 15:1-8, correct?
Absolutely the blood of Christ does not keep someone saved. Did the blood of Christ keep Simon Magus saved? Did the blood of Christ keep those mentioned in John 15:6 saved? I’ll tell you exactly what keeps a person saved, faith and love. Jesus will not acknowledge anyone before The Father who does not have faith and love when their time comes.
Jesus already answered you when He said....>"It is Finished".
And that is not you doing it.
Believe it.
Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Since this is Paul's gospel... you believe 1 Corinthians 15:1-8, correct?
Yes.
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1 Corinthians 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
Where's Mary Magdalene in Paul's gospel?
Luke 24:10 It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary [the mother] of James, and other [women that were] with them, which told these things unto the apostles. 11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not. 12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.
Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first
day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the
sepulchre. ... 8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring His disciples word.
John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it
was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from
the sepulchre. ... 4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
If Jesus rescued the whole world and saved them all, then what's the point of today? Why didn't Jesus just roll up the Heavens and drag us all to glory? God won't mind a bunch of law-breakers living with Him, right?
"pretending we're twins"??????
Did you actually say something this queer and bizarre?
Yes you did.
What are you talking about now, ??????
Listen up...
You're a Paul rejector......as you have stated. So, as he wrote most of the NT and all of the Church Doctrine,.....that proves your theology is MISSING Truth.
So, im a "Pauline Theologist".
That is certainly not your twin.....is it.
Wake up.
1 Corinthians 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
Where's Mary Magdalene in Paul's gospel?
Luke 24:10 It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary [the mother] of James, and other [women that were] with them, which told these things unto the apostles. 11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not. 12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.
Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first
day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the
sepulchre. ... 8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring His disciples word.
John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it
was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from
the sepulchre. ... 4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
Yeah, that tongues of fire thing in Acts.Paul was specifically referring to the Disciples of Lord Jesus. Of course there were many others who saw Him as well. And A Paul did mention that Lord Jesus was seen by more than 500 at one time.
hmmm... Matthew 7:4
I don't really see how someone can love the things of the world AND be a commandment keeping legalist... the two things cancel each other out.
James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his works.
"a heretic's commentary on James"... you can't be talking about me, since you call me a 'legalistic commandment keeper', as though that's a curse or something. Because Jesus says He's my only teacher, and I keep that commandment... and these two things cancel each other out, as well. Can't really be reading what other people think James meant AND be keeping Matthew 23:8-10 and John 17:20.
A "dark light", really? (sigh)
Ooorr... they'd be a follower of the Kingdom Gospel, Galatians 2:7-9
Jesus to the Disciples given to Him by the Father
John 13-John 15:2 Every branch in Me that beareth not fruit He taketh away: and every [branch] that beareth fruit, He purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 16 Ye have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in My name, He may give it you.
Revelation 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name.
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
That's the grace gospel, Galatians 2:7-9In case you didnt realize it, God replaced "commandment keeping" with The Cross.
(old covenant was replaced by the New Covenant)
Moses OUT......Jesus IN.
Why did God do that?
You need to find that out.
(See Paul) or my Threads, if you actually want to find out.
And God will have done a very big thing for no reason whatsoever. Because if they're predestined unto salvation, which is what the OSAS people read, then why did Jesus have to die at all?Sure, why not? And while He’s at it why not just let satan and his demons in as well. Perhaps God will say “ya know what on second thought maybe we don’t need a hell after all, I don’t know what I was thinking”.
But in the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven, believe is an action verb.
Otherwise "The Little Engine That Could" becomes "Can't Someone Else Do It?"
God isn't looking for "characteristics"
He'll looking for Faith in Christ.
If you do that, He'll give anyone the "new birth", and from there, God will process this... till you are completed
"conformed into the image of Christ.."
But you have to start here..
Jesus said...."you must be born again".