Salvation vs : service.

[BNR32FAN]

Not at all.
The verses talk about Jesus as The Vine, and some are branches that are burned.

If you think that "branches" and "Vine" are not symbolic, then,..........

figure that out.
Let us know if you ever actually figure it out.

That quote was not from John 15.


“You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:22‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[Sidon]

Firstly, I wonder why you are quoting Lord Jesus, .

Because all scripture is profitable... if you use it spiritually.

 

[Sidon]

What was finished? His suffering was finished. .

Actually Christ shed blood and death, is Salvation.
That is what has been "finished", and proven by Christ's Resurrction.

 

[Sidon]

You still dodged the questions

I dont dodge questions.
I enjoy them.
And the reason is, ..that faith comes by hearing..
So, when you ask a question, and then read my response, there is always that opportunity, come to you again, for you to be enlightened.
See, my Threads and my Posts, are "seed", and some falls on good ground.
If this ever happens to you, if your heart ever becomes the "good ground", then,= mission accomplished.

 

[Sidon]

How do you explain all the verses of admonition and warning in the Pauline Gospel, in almost every letter to the Churches, about the possibility of falling away from the faith,

I have answered this, many times.

Lets try again..

If you fall away, then you become this....>"Fallen from Grace".
So, that is a FAITH issue, not a "born again" issue.

A true believer can't fall away from being BORN again.......they can only "fall away from Grace"

But keep in mind that a person has to be born again, and not just water baptized, to even have the Faith that they can fall away from later or that can become "dead"

 

[setst777]

Because all scripture is profitable... if you use it spiritually.

Why are you quoting from Scripture that you say was not the Gospel to the Gentiles, but only to the Jews under the Law, as evidence for the Gospel to the Gentiles?

Why then did you say that Lord Jesus, while on earth, was not the Gospel to the Gentiles, but to the Jews under the Law?

 

[setst777]

I have answered this, many times.

Lets try again..

If you fall away, then you become this....>"Fallen from Grace".
So, that is a FAITH issue, not a "born again" issue.

A true believer can't fall away from being BORN again.......they can only "fall away from Grace"

But keep in mind that a person has to be born again, and not just water baptized, to even have the Faith that they can fall away from later.

Ok, So you are saying a person who has faith in Jesus is saved by grace, but is not necessarily born again, is that right? Where is your evidence?

Where is your Scripture proof that teaches that a person who is born again can never lose his born again status?

 

[Sidon]

Is this supposed to somehow subtract from what Jesus said about some falling away and only those who endure

God does not save based on you enduring.
If He did, then He would be doing it based on being obligated to you.
That will never happen., "lest you will boast".

Try to understand this, and find you way into this reality.....>"the GIFT of salvation".

 

[Sidon]

That quote was not from John 15.
“You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:22‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Salvation is a Gift.
You dont endure to possess a "Gift".

 

[Sidon]

Why are you quoting from Scripture that you say was not the Gospel to the Gentiles, but only to the Jews under the Law?

Why then did you say that Lord Jesus, while on earth, was not the Gospel to the Gentiles, but to the Jews under the Law?

Jesus came to the house of Israel.
So, when you read a verse that is given that occurs before Jesus was Crucified, you have to discern this verse, in LIGHT OF THE CROSS.

Also, Paul was called to the "gentiles', because the "time of the Gentiles" started when the Cross was raised.
This began the NEW TESTAMENT, and New Covenant.

 

[Sidon]

Ok, So you are saying a person who has faith in Jesus is saved by grace,

The "Grace of God" is the Cross of Christ.
The Cross of Christ is "the Gift of Salvation" or John 3:16

 

[setst777]

Jesus came to the house of Israel.
So, when you read a verse that is given that occurs before Jesus was Crucified, you have to discern this verse, in LIGHT OF THE CROSS.

Also, Paul was called to the "gentiles', because the "time of the Gentiles" started when the Cross was raised.
This began the NEW TESTAMENT, and New Covenant.

So why are you quoting Lord Jesus to prove the Gospel to the Gentiles, when Lord Jesus message was for the Jews under the Law?

 

[setst777]

The "Grace of God" is the Cross of Christ.
The Cross of Christ is "the Gift of Salvation" or John 3:16

Yes, the Cross is the gift of God's grace onto salvation, but you did not answer my questions.

Answer the questions I asked of you.

Let's try this again:

setst777 said: ↑
Ok, So you are saying a person who has faith in Jesus is saved by grace, but is not necessarily born again, is that right? Where is your evidence?

Where is your Scripture proof that teaches that a person who is born again can never lose his born again status?

 

[Sidon]

Where is your Scripture proof that teaches that a person who is born again can never lose his born again status?

The evidence is to understand Salvation.
What is it?
Its "Christ in you, the hope of Glory".

Salvation is not found by chasing or enduring.

Salvation is Christ the Righteous, having become in Union with the spirit of a person.
This UNION of SPIRIT, between GOD and MAN, is = born again.
That is how "salvation" = happens.
And once a person is born again, INTO The Spirit of God, then this Spiritual Birth of them as a "New Creation In Christ".... is as eternal as God Himself.

 

[setst777]

The evidence is to understand Salvation.
What is it?
Its "Christ in you, the hope of Glory".

Salvation is not found by chasing or enduring.

Salvation is Christ the Righteous, having become in Union with the spirit of a person.
This UNION of SPIRIT, between GOD and MAN, is = born again.
That is how "salvation" = happens.
And once a person is born again, INTO The Spirit of God, then this Spiritual Birth of them as a "New Creation In Christ".... is as eternal as God Himself.

I already know what you believe. I did not ask you to explain your beliefs again, I asked you for Scriptural evidence for the following questions.

setst777 said: ↑
Ok, So you are saying a person who has faith in Jesus is saved by grace, but is not necessarily born again, is that right? Where is your evidence?

Where is your Scripture proof that teaches that a person who is born again can never lose his born again status?

setst777 said: ↑
Why are you quoting from Scripture that you say was not the Gospel to the Gentiles, but only to the Jews under the Law to prove Pauline Gospel?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes, he also teaches all that carnality as "works of the flesh".

He also teaches that to do it, is "use not your liberty for an occasion to the flesh".

What i teach on this forum, as i Taylor'd it, regarding the biggest NEED, here, is ..

"how to stop sinning and confessing".

See, all my Threads are related to how to do that as Paul teaches it.......like this...."Christ always gives me the Victory".

No what you teach is a certainty of refraining from sin while Paul teaches this as an uncertainty that is dependent upon our cooperation with the Holy Spirit. If we act in cooperation with the Holy Spirit we will not sin but if we act in disobedience to the Holy Spirit then we will sin. Paul teaches that we do have the ability to grieve the Holy Spirit and sin whereas you teach that a born again person can sin but it is irrelevant to his salvation hence what your teaching is that a born again person has a free pass to sin aka “a license to sin”. You claim that you don’t teach this while at the same time this is exactly what you are teaching.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes, he also teaches all that carnality as "works of the flesh".

He also teaches that to do it, is "use not your liberty for an occasion to the flesh".

What i teach on this forum, as i Taylor'd it, regarding the biggest NEED, here, is ..

"how to stop sinning and confessing".

See, all my Threads are related to how to do that as Paul teaches it.......like this...."Christ always gives me the Victory".

I think you need a few more years to study his theology before you can truly grasp it as he intended it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Because all scripture is profitable... if you use it spiritually.

unless it opposes your theology you mean. You forgot to mention that.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Actually Christ shed blood and death, is Salvation.
That is what has been "finished", and proven by Christ's Resurrction.

No because His blood must be applied to the individual in order for them to receive salvation.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I dont dodge questions.
I enjoy them.
And the reason is, ..that faith comes by hearing..
So, when you ask a question, and then read my response, there is always that opportunity, come to you again, for you to be enlightened.
See, my Threads and my Posts, are "seed", and some falls on good ground.
If this ever happens to you, if your heart ever becomes the "good ground", then,= mission accomplished.

I asked specific questions that you still haven’t answered. Your responses aren’t enlightening at all if they are ignoring the questions I asked. What you continue to prove is that you cannot support your position without contradicting the scriptures. That’s why you refuse to answer the questions.