Salvation vs : service.

[Sidon]

Sidon is the perfect example of someone who doesn’t have ears to hear.

Only when you teach legalism.
So, thats only everytime you post (including the next one).

 

[BNR32FAN]

Only when you teach legalism.
So, thats only everytime you post (including the next one).

Oh no it’s not just towards me, it’s towards everyone quoting scriptures that refute your theology. You will never accept the truth because you will never humble yourself enough to see it. Your pride is too important to you.

 

[Sidon]

Oh no it’s not just towards me, it’s towards everyone quoting scriptures that refute your theology..

You've confused a couple of others with "all", and you have also confused "refute" as " proven."

 

[Ligurian]

Did you forget that you teach Pauline Theology? You're maybe qualified to judge Paul's Christ-crucified gospel. But you're not qualified to judge the works Gospel preached before the cross to Lost Sheep. No wonder people find you so confusing... pick a lane and stay in it, already.

The Discipled-Apostles kept the word of God John 17:6

Matthew 13:10 And the Disciples came, and said unto Him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, but to them it is not given. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

Sidon is the perfect example of someone who doesn’t have ears to hear.

It's not rocket science, but simple math:

Matthew 26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this Gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

Matthew 24:14 And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

If what this woman did in preparation for His burial is the Gospel, then Jesus lived and taught the Gospel of the Kingdom.

 

[Sidon]

“You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:22‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Not in Matthew 10

Well once again, your verse talks about enduring, but you dont explain the enduring.

Are you enduring "sinning and confessing"?
Are you enduring, "The biden administration"?
Are you enduring "Legalism"?

Listen, There was no Cross yet , in your verse.
So, you have to take verses that are 'pre-cross", and apply this....>"see them in light of the Cross".

Let me tell you when the "gift of righteousness" will end, and the "enduring will begin".
That happens when the Great Trib starts, as there is no more "justified by faith without works", once that begins.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Well once again, your verse talks about enduring, but you dont explain the enduring.

Are you enduring "sinning and confessing"?
Are you enduring, "The biden administration"?
Are you enduring "Legalism"?

Listen, There was no Cross yet , in your verse.
So, you have to take verses that are 'pre-cross", and apply this....>"see them in light of the Cross".

Let me tell you when the "gift of righteousness" will end, and the "enduring will begin".
That happens when the Great Trib starts, as there is no more "justified by faith without works", once that begins.

If you actually read the chapter instead of the single verse you might see that He is clearly saying that whoever endures persecution will be saved. This has nothing to do with the Great Tribulation since Jesus is speaking directly to His apostles knowing they will all be dead long before the Great Tribulation takes place.

““Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves. But beware of men, for they will hand you over to the courts and scourge you in their synagogues; and you will even be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. But when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say. For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved. “But whenever they persecute you in one city, flee to the next; for truly I say to you, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes. “A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the disciple that he become like his teacher, and the slave like his master. If they have called the head of the house Beelzebul, how much more will they malign the members of his household! “Therefore do not fear them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear whispered in your ear, proclaim upon the housetops. Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So do not fear; you are more valuable than many sparrows. “Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:16-33‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[Sidon]

If you actually read the chapter instead of the single verse you might see that He is clearly saying that whoever endures persecution will be saved.

In the "time of the gentiles" we are not saved by enduring anything, bnr32fan.

We are saved by the Blood of Jesus.

See "the Cross" for an update, at some point in your life.

 

[BNR32FAN]

In the "time of the gentiles" we are not saved by enduring anything, bnr32fan.

We are saved by the Blood of Jesus.

See "the Cross" for an update, at some point in your life.

If you want to ignore what Jesus said here that’s your prerogative, don’t expect me to follow suit. Paul said the same thing in 2 Timothy 2:12 during the “time of the Gentiles”. So apparently nothing has changed here as one should expect. The standard remains the same for both Jews and Gentiles.

 

[Sidon]

If you want to ignore what Jesus said here that’s your prerogative, don’t expect me to follow suit. Paul said the same thing in 2 Timothy 2:12 during the “time of the Gentiles”. So apparently nothing has changed here as one should expect. The standard remains the same for both Jews and Gentiles.

Jesus is the only way to heaven. John 14:6

All other "ways", like "enduring", and "commandment keeping" , and "water baptism"< and "the law".. and "daily repentance", and "confessing sin".....need not apply as "the way".
You can thank "the Cross " for that spiritual reality that exists as Christ's finished work on the Cross.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jesus is the only way to heaven. John 14:6

All other "ways", like "enduring", and "commandment keeping" , and "water baptism"< and "the law".. and "daily repentance", and "confessing sin".....need not apply as "the way".
You can thank "the Cross " for that spiritual reality that exists as Christ's finished work on the Cross.

Your directly rejecting what Christ said in order to hold on to your pride in your false theology. Your basically saying I don’t care what Jesus said this is how we are saved. That’s the problem with your theology, it appears to be supported by some scriptures but is refuted by others so it is not a sound theology because it doesn’t withstand the test of ALL SCRIPTURE.

 

[Sidon]

Your directly rejecting what Christ said in order to hold on to your pride in your false theology. Your basically saying I don’t care what Jesus said this is how we are saved. That’s the problem with your theology, it appears to be supported by some scriptures but is refuted by others so it is not a sound theology because it doesn’t withstand the test of ALL SCRIPTURE.

My "theology" is "Pauline".
So, what i teach is How you are saved and why, and what this maintains, once you are born again.

There are no scriptures that teach that you can lose your salvation, as to lose your salvation you would have to be "UN-BORN, again".

Now, its very possible to misunderstand a lot of verses, and apply them to legalism (self saving) theology and teach this as : Galatians 1:8

You do it on all my Threads.

 

[BNR32FAN]

My "theology" is "Pauline".
So, what i teach is How you are saved and why, and what this maintains, once you are born again.

There are no scriptures that teach that you can lose your salvation, as to lose your salvation you would have to be "UN-BORN, again".

Now, its very possible to misunderstand a lot of verses, and apply them to legalism (self saving) theology and teach this as : Galatians 1:8

You do it on all my Threads.

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[BNR32FAN]

My "theology" is "Pauline".
So, what i teach is How you are saved and why, and what this maintains, once you are born again.

There are no scriptures that teach that you can lose your salvation, as to lose your salvation you would have to be "UN-BORN, again".

Now, its very possible to misunderstand a lot of verses, and apply them to legalism (self saving) theology and teach this as : Galatians 1:8

You do it on all my Threads.

Bottom line is this. You teach that we don’t have to abide in Christ and endure to the end which is contradictory to both Christ’s teachings and Paul’s teachings. I hope everyone has noticed that I’ve provided scripture to support this position and you’ve declined to address them. So unless you’d like to explain why you claim that we don’t have to endure to the end when Jesus told His apostles that the one who endures to the end will be saved then we can have an actual productive discussion about the matter instead of just avoiding the issue by making claims that contradict what Jesus said in Matthew 10. If your unable to do this then Jesus’ words have just proven you wrong.