Salvation vs : service.

[Ligurian]

Personally I think the word faith doesn’t accurately describe the word pistis. I would say that it’s closer to devotion than faith because it involves faithfulness, fidelity, loyalty, and trustworthiness which is included in the definition of the Greek words pistis, pisteuo, and pistos.

Perfect, yes! Revelation 17:14

 

[setst777]

Yeah, that tongues of fire thing in Acts.

"Mark doesn't identify this woman, but he uses a literary device that points us to the lady who is called Mary Magdalene in 15:40, 47, and 16:1, 9. Matthew tells the story much like Mark does, but likewise he does not identify the heroine (26:6-13). But John identifies her clearly (12:2-9)."
Mary Magdalene

Matthew 26:13 Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, [there] shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her.

Galatians 2:7-9

Good information.

As I was thinking this all over, I remembered that the Apostle Paul was late on the scene, not of the original 12. So, although he did meet with some of the other original Disciples, and compared the Gospel he receive with them, Paul may not have been informed about Mary Magdalene or the other Mary.

As well, likely Paul wrote many of his Epistles to the Churches before any of the Four Gospel accounts were published, since Paul's letters are supposed to be the earliest written Christian Scriptures. So Paul may not have had knowledge of the two Marys.

Paul had not intended, in any of His Epistles, to give a complete Gospel account of what happened at that time, as he was not present.

Peter, James, and Jude also do not mention Mary Magdalene, or the other Mary, in their letters to the Churches. Peter refers to the Gospel, and explains the Gospel, but does not include the account of Mary.

Blessings

 

[Sidon]

No what you teach is a certainty of refraining from sin while Paul teaches

Here is what Paul wrote.

"being now made free from sin".

Notice "now".

And Paul teaches this... "Christ always gives me the Victory".

Notice "always".

 

[Sidon]

No because His blood must be applied to the individual in order for them to receive salvation.

None of it opposes Paul, as he wrote most of the NT.

"Pauline Theology".

Its what i teach.

 

[Sidon]

No because His blood must be applied to the individual in order for them to receive salvation.

That's true.

God applies the blood atonement, and this takes care of ALL sin...... including tomorrows.
This is why Paul teaches that the born again, are..."made FREE from sin".
THEN, having been "made free from sin", God gives the BELIEVER the "new birth" and they become a "new Creation".
At this point, they are become eternally joined to God's Spirit as "ONE with God, "In Christ".

 

[Sidon]

I asked specific questions that you still haven’t answered. Your responses aren’t enlightening at all if they are ignoring the questions I asked.

My answers only prove you can't comprehend them.
See, i can teach you, but i can't learn it for you.

For example, if Paul teaches that the born again are "made free from sin", and John teaches that the "born again can't sin", and Roman's 4:8 teaches that God does not charge sin to the born again, and then you sit there looking at this truth like a tree full of owls, and write...."well, you are not answering me again", that what we learn about you, is that you can't receive the answer.
Nothing new.

 

[Sidon]

So Jesus said we must endure to the end and your saying that we don’t have to.

Not to be saved.

To be saved is to be born again.
You don't "endure that'.....You receive it......as salvation is a "GIFT".

 

[Sidon]

Yes, I agree. Even so, Paul was admonishing the born again Christians about this very thing, with the warning that if they continued in sin, they would be lost. .

Paul does not teach that sinning , as a Christian, sends you to hell.
He teaches that not being born again, is why you end up with the Devil.
Jesus teaches this as "you must be born again", and he's not talking about Water

What Paul does teach is that if you are born again, and you go back into total carnality and wont turn from it, you will "die".
But you'll die born again, as this can't be changed.

Why? Because a person is born again, they are always born again.

why? Because the behavior does not affect Spiritual BIRTH.

 

[Sidon]

Ephesians 1:14 doesn't say redeemed.

"Let us take some time to identify the House of Israel.

House of Israel. = Jews.

Currently God is specifically dealing with the "Time of the Gentiles".
This "time" is going to end, and God will resume His dealing with the "chosen".
This is the Grt Trib.

 

[Sidon]

If Jesus rescued the whole world and saved them all,

The Cross is the offer of Salvation, to the world. (everyone).
When a person believes, then "faith is counted as Righteousness".
"Justification BY faith."

"by".

 

[Sidon]

Using the ridiculous to make a point... and it finally sunk in. Because it seems like you don't know how to define people who don't have your mindset...

I agree that "legalism" which is the rejection of God's Grace, is a "Mind set".
Legalism , is the faith of the self righteous, who do not believe that Jesus keeps them saved.
Its possible that they will agree that Jesus saved them, but they lose this faith and become "now here is my LIST of what i do, to keep myself saved".
Once that LIST becomes their faith (savior), then the Cross is Rejected, and self saving has become their broken faith.

 

[Sidon]

Not the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven.

The Gospel, is the "preaching of the Cross".
All that enter there by faith, enter into the Kingdom of God.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Here is what Paul wrote.

"being now made free from sin".

Notice "now".

And Paul teaches this... "Christ always gives me the Victory".

Notice "always".

This explanation is worthless because I already showed you that he said that believers are capable of sin in Romans 6 which was the very same chapter you quoted trying to claim that believers cannot sin based on verse 22. So you completely ignored verses 12-16

“Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:12-16‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Instead you cherry picked one verse out of the message to support your theology ignoring the entire rest of the message. As long as you keep doing this you will never be able to understand the truth of God’s word.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That's true.

God applies the blood atonement, and this takes care of ALL sin...... including tomorrows.
This is why Paul teaches that the born again, are..."made FREE from sin".
THEN, having been "made free from sin", God gives the BELIEVER the "new birth" and they become a "new Creation".
At this point, they are become eternally joined to God's Spirit as "ONE with God, "In Christ".

You are not understanding Paul’s words at all. Before we came to Christ we were slaves to sin, we could not do anything to please God and we were incapable of refraining from sin. Once we’ve come to Christ and have received the Holy Spirit we are now able to refrain from sin and our works are no longer stained by our sin so now they are pleasing to God. This is why Paul says that we are no longer slaves to sin because we now have a choice, before we didn’t.

 

[BNR32FAN]

My answers only prove you can't comprehend them.
See, i can teach you, but i can't learn it for you.

For example, if Paul teaches that the born again are "made free from sin", and John teaches that the "born again can't sin", and Roman's 4:8 teaches that God does not charge sin to the born again, and then you sit there looking at this truth like a tree full of owls, and write...."well, you are not answering me again", that what we learn about you, is that you can't receive the answer.
Nothing new.

Your answers never answered my questions. You said the blood of Christ keeps us saved. I asked “did the blood of Christ keep Simon Magus saved? Did the blood of Christ keep the people mentioned in John 15:6 saved?” And you know for a fact that Christ’s blood did not keep them saved but your too arrogant to admit it so you just keep on dodging the questions because you can’t deny them. These questions destroy your theology and you know it but your more concerned with saving your pride and seeking recognition from men rather than humbling yourself and preaching the truth. Your pride takes priority over the truth of God’s word. You’ve got to take a step back and objectively re-evaluate your theology.

 

[BNR32FAN]

My answers only prove you can't comprehend them.
See, i can teach you, but i can't learn it for you.

For example, if Paul teaches that the born again are "made free from sin", and John teaches that the "born again can't sin", and Roman's 4:8 teaches that God does not charge sin to the born again, and then you sit there looking at this truth like a tree full of owls, and write...."well, you are not answering me again", that what we learn about you, is that you can't receive the answer.
Nothing new.

What you’ve done here is given the born again a full access license to sin. You are teaching the exact same version of OSAS that you claimed to reject and your theology sounds exactly like what satan said to Eve in the garden of Eden. “Surely you will not die”. What your saying is that once a person is born again he can go on a wild killing spree, raping and murdering everyone in sight. He can lie, cheat, steal, renounce Christ, worship satan, curse God, everything becomes permissible because God will not charge sin to him. Do you see how stupid that sounds? Or are you even capable of admitting it?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Not to be saved.

To be saved is to be born again.
You don't "endure that'.....You receive it......as salvation is a "GIFT".

So you would rather contradict Christ’s own words rather than humble yourself and admit your mistake. Up until now I’ve been thinking that you are simply confused about how to understand God’s word but now I’m starting to think that your errors are intentional and you are here to lead Christ’s sheep astray. Don’t waste your time here because the Holy Spirit exposes you and your false gospel to those who seek and serve God. Get the behind the Sidon.

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

What you’ve done here is given the born again a full access license to sin. You are teaching the exact same version of OSAS that you claimed to reject and your theology sounds exactly like what satan said to Eve in the garden of Eden. “Surely you will not die”. What your saying is that once a person is born again he can go on a wild killing spree, raping and murdering everyone in sight. He can lie, cheat, steal, renounce Christ, worship satan, curse God, everything becomes permissible because God will not charge sin to him.

I think that is a distortion of the OP's message, and can imagine a similar charge against Paul. Paul dealt with this charge in the Romans quote you posted a few replies up: "May it never be!"

Have you considered that you cannot be preaching the same message as Paul if you are NOT accused of this? I don't think so. Many are ashamed of the "gospel of the grace of God" and do not want to be persecuted for it. Just like Paul said of preaching circumcision or "The man who does these things shall live by them" (which he said is "not of faith"), preaching to self-righteous flesh does not bring persecution:

"As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ."--Gal. 6:12

Isn't the Cross of Christ what the OP continues to magnify above all else?

I don't see how "free gift", "apart from works", "ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise" means anything in your theology. You've collected all the warnings, assume (incorrectly) they = loss of salvation and then use them to seemingly nullify the grace of God. I hope that is not the case.

From Romans 5:

"Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord."

No, we are not to "sin that grace may abound". And yet...grace does abound nonetheless. Paradoxical but true.

 

[Sidon]

This explanation is worthless because I already showed you that he said that believers are capable of sin in Romans 6

"being now made free from sin".

why?

Because "Jesus became sin", and "died".

What is the Blood Atonement?
Its God's Blood applied.
What is the result.. "being now made free from Sin". = "the END, everlasting life".

See that "end"?
That is the end result, of being "made free from sin".
The born again are "made free from sin" on earth, so that after they die they are not judged for them.
This is why all the born again meet God as FATHER and not as JUDGE.

And when does God become "Father"?
= As soon as a person is born again into the Spirit of God, BY the Holy Spirit of God.
This is the instant they are ""made free from sin".

And what "life" is this they are born into by the Life of Christ?
= Eternal Life.

 

[Sidon]

works are no longer stained by our sin .

God never accepts your works to accept you.
So, once you step into the deceived mindset of : "here is what im doing for God to keep me", you have left faith in Christ that God only accepts to save you and keep you saved.