Salvation vs : service.

[Sidon]

According to scriptures His people has these characteristics:

God isn't looking for "characteristics"
He'll looking for Faith in Christ.
If you do that, He'll give anyone the "new birth", and from there, God will process this... till you are completed

"conformed into the image of Christ.."

But you have to start here..


Jesus said...."you must be born again".

 

[BNR32FAN]

No, im specifically saying that when you are born again into the Spirit of God, by God's Holy Spirit, you are IN CHIRST.
There is your abiding, found, maintained, and completed.

Ok so then your saying that those who don’t abide in Christ were never in Christ to begin with which contradicts what Jesus actually said in both John 15:2 and John 15:6. Jesus said both of these groups were in Him.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes, you've used the "endure" verse, a few times.
It fails each time, because as i told you the last 2 times, ... you have no idea what the "end" is, and you are not able to recognize that you dont use symbolic verses to try to teach literal doctrine.

Jesus will tell you this........if you meet him.

"All that call upon the name of Jesus, shall be saved".

He will tell you that, and not talk about enduing.

Notice something.
The verse says......He who endures......shall be saved.

Yet the born again are already saved.

Now, i can't cause you to understand this......i can only show you what to see.

Again your claiming that these verses are “symbolic” because they refute your theology. These are not parable verses or analogies they are plainly stated and the reason you don’t know what “the end” means is because you haven’t done your homework.

 

[Sidon]

Man is where YOU go for knowledge, Sidon... you proved it by saying you're a seminary guy... so, please stop pretending we're twins.

"pretending we're twins"??????
Did you actually say something this queer and bizarre?
Yes you did.

What are you talking about now, ??????
Listen up...
You're a Paul rejector......as you have stated. So, as he wrote most of the NT and all of the Church Doctrine,.....that proves your theology is MISSING Truth.

So, im a "Pauline Theologist".
That is certainly not your twin.....is it.
Wake up.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God isn't looking for "characteristics"
He'll looking for Faith in Christ.
If you do that, He'll give anyone the "new birth", and from there, God will process this... till you are completed

"conformed into the image of Christ.."

But you have to start here..


Jesus said...."you must be born again".

Faith is a characteristic .

 

[BNR32FAN]

I didnt skip this post.
I just missed it, as im in a hurry to respond to so many today.

I wasn’t implying that it was intentional

 

[Sidon]

You missed my whole point... it has to do with where you were before this forum.

1.) Answer ..."all over the world".


I have a home on both sides of the Planet.
Ive stood or swam in the Red Sea, the Dead Sea, the Sea of Galilee, and the Mediterranean .

Ive taught Paul's Truth in Russia, Taiwan, Israel, France, the USA, and on nearly every "christian" forum.
My Music has been shared in Belize, Russia, France, and the USA, and more.
My songs have been recorded in Mexican and English.

I did all that and more about 2 decades after i finished "seminary".

That's some of what i what i was doing.

As of this second, im answering about 60 posts today, or more., as what i'll do online.
And i'll post a Thread also.
Be sure you study it.
And that is just a small part of my day.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I didnt skip this post.
I just missed it, as im in a hurry to respond to so many today.

See, this is Mon.
This is my night to hit the hay early, 7pm.....and i need to practice for 30 mins before i do that.
This means i have less then 6 mins, and i have 10 posts left to respond to, that will turn into at least 10 more, tonight.
Tomorrow i get up at 2:25am, to prepare my initial warm up stretching and light workout before i then to and do my 75 mins in a gym.
Then i do 20 flights of stairs carrying 10lbs, followed by carrying (2) 20lb dumbbells for about 10 mins as my aerobics.
Then a slight warm down of stretching and light weights.
This takes 2.5 hrs, and i do it 4x a week.
So, 2 days a week i do the early gym, and 2 days, i go in later.
I thought you might want to know this Bnr32fan, , as you are so interested in my "likes" count, i wanted to share something personal with you.

So,

Here is the answer to your inquiry.

The born again are to exit here :

"being made free from sin, we have Peace with God".
"Christ always gives me the Victory".

I thought it might interest you to know that right before Paul said that in Romans 6:22 he said this

“Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:12-16‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

We are made free from sin means that we are no longer slaves to it. Before we could only sin and by God’s grace we are now able to refrain from it and do what pleases Him. Obviously Paul was not saying that these born again believers are incapable of sin otherwise he wouldn’t have told them not to do it.

 

[setst777]

God isn't looking for "characteristics"
He'll looking for Faith in Christ.
If you do that, He'll give anyone the "new birth", and from there, God will process this... till you are completed

"conformed into the image of Christ.."

But you have to start here..

Jesus said...."you must be born again".

Firstly, I wonder why you are quoting Lord Jesus, when you made it very clear in many of your posts that Lord Jesus was speaking to the lost sheep of Israel, under the Law. What do the words of Lord Jesus have to do with the Pauline Gospel?

Here are your words:

Sidon said: ↑
Jesus came not to the gentiles, but to the "house of Israel".

Also, Jesus can't be preaching the Cross to the House of Israel, when He has not died on it yet.

So, the Gospel, is.....Jesus on the Cross.
If He is not there yet, then He can't be talking about it as the "gospel" to the "House of Israel".
Those are all the verses you generally abuse, to try to teach your particular gospel.

Sidon said: ↑
Listen carefully...

Jesus didnt teach this.....>"my Gospel" to the House of Israel, .....as that is Paul's Gospel in the "time of the Gentiles".
Research that, and you'll find the three times he says it.
Jesus could not preach "Paul's Gospel.. "the Preaching of the CROSS".....because Jesus was talking to the "House of Israel, and had not died on the Cross yet.
...Jesus called Paul, and created his ministry as the "Apostle to the Gentiles".
You'll note that Jesus did this after he left the earth, as He had finished His earthily ministry to the "house of Israel"

Sidon said: ↑
yes.
that is the great commission.
given to all the Jews that were a part of Jesus's ministry that he was given when He was under the law, and under the old covenant/old testament.

But that was not the end., was it...
IN COMES the NEW COVENANT.
Here come the next REVELATION.
= Paul was chosen

Secondly, you say that the new birth is by faith in Christ.

He'll looking for Faith in Christ.
If you do that, He'll give anyone the "new birth"

Do you think faith is a past experience?
After that, it's God working His faith in you?

If so, how do you explain the Pauline Gospel doctrine teaching the believer that the believer only has life in the Spirit as he continues to walk by the Spirit, or he will be lost?

Romans 8:12-13 (NIV) 12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation — but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

Galatians 6:7-9 (WEB) 7 Do not be deceived. God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. 9 Let us not be weary in doing good, for we will reap in due season, if we do not give up.

 

[Sidon]

hmmm... Matthew 7:4
I don't really see how someone can love the things of the world AND be a commandment keeping legalist... the two things cancel each other out.

In case you didnt realize it, God replaced "commandment keeping" with The Cross.
(old covenant was replaced by the New Covenant)
Moses OUT......Jesus IN.
Why did God do that?
You need to find that out.
(See Paul) or my Threads, if you actually want to find out.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jesus already answered you when He said....>"It is Finished".
And that is not you doing it.
Believe it.

What was finished? His suffering was finished. That’s what we know for a fact. To say that every person’s salvation is secured based on that statement is an assumption that’s not supported by what is actually stated in the chapter.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Jesus already answered you when He said....>"It is Finished".
And that is not you doing it.
Believe it.

You still dodged the questions I asked because you know for a fact that I’m right otherwise you would’ve proved me wrong, but you didn’t because you can’t.

 

[Sidon]

I see that you are not able to reconcile your teaching of "born again" with all those verses, in almost every book of the NT, admonishing and warning about the possibility of falling from the faith, and to endure,?

God ONLY accepts the Cross and the finished work of Jesus on the Cross to redeem the "sinner' from all their sin, and give them the New Birth that is their Eternal Life "in Christ'.

My advice to you, is to stop chasing self effort and Moses's Law and the commandments, to try to save yourself.
This is Legalism, and it rejects the Cross.
Its not working for you.
Why?
Because "only Jesus Saves".

Figure that out., asap., setse777.

 

[Sidon]

Ok so then your saying that those who don’t abide in Christ were never in Christ to begin with

All the born again "abide in Christ'.

Notice that you dont see Jesus walking around down here?
You noticed?
So, the verse says 'IN Christ"?
Where is that?

That is "ONE WITH GOD, in Christ"?

See that yet?
When you do, if ever, then you'll understand what is meant by "abiding".

 

[setst777]

God ONLY accepts the Cross and the finished work of Jesus on the Cross to redeem the "sinner' from all their sin, and give them the New Birth that is their Eternal Life "in Christ'.

My advice to you, is to stop chasing self effort and Moses's Law and the commandments, to try to save yourself.
This is Legalism, and it rejects the Cross.
Its not working for you.
Why?
Because "only Jesus Saves".

Figure that out., asap., setse777.

I understand what you believe. But you are not answering the question.

You did not answer not even one of the questions I asked you. And you did say to ask questions. So if I ask questions, will you answer?

How do you explain all the verses of admonition and warning in the Pauline Gospel, in almost every letter to the Churches, about the possibility of falling away from the faith, and that we are to endure, stand firm, remain steadfast in the faith to be saved eternally?

Was Paul chasing self effort?

 

[Sidon]

Again your claiming that these verses are “symbolic” because they refute your theology.

Not at all.
The verses talk about Jesus as The Vine, and some are branches that are burned.

If you think that "branches" and "Vine" are not symbolic, then,..........

figure that out.
Let us know if you ever actually figure it out.

 

[Sidon]

Faith is a characteristic .

Regarding Christianity... and the NT..
(do you own a NT)?

"Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen".

The short version?

Its Heart Trust.

 

[Sidon]

I wasn’t implying that it was intentional

ok.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Salvation is not "enduring".

Salvation is : John 14:6

Is this supposed to somehow subtract from what Jesus said about some falling away and only those who endure to the end will be saved. Obviously this means that not all who come to Christ will endure to the end just like not all who are in Him will remain in Him.

 

[Sidon]

I thought it might interest you to know that right before Paul said that in Romans 6:22 he said this

“Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness;

Yes, he also teaches all that carnality as "works of the flesh".

He also teaches that to do it, is "use not your liberty for an occasion to the flesh".

What i teach on this forum, as i Taylor'd it, regarding the biggest NEED, here, is ..

"how to stop sinning and confessing".

See, all my Threads are related to how to do that as Paul teaches it.......like this...."Christ always gives me the Victory".