Salvation vs : service.

[Sidon]

I have specifically quoted exactly where you said “that faith is not the first faith that God accepted to save a person”. I have not said anything about two different faiths. So what you should do now is prove me wrong and expose me as a liar by quoting exactly where I said there are two different faiths. I’d love to see you do that.

You finally posted what i said. I knew you could.
But you have not understood it., even tho i explained it when you first asked me.

Here we go again.

There is "saving faith"...and that is what God accepts. = "faith is counted as righteousness'.

Then you learn how to walk out or walk in faith..........
This is the same faith, but its a different context.

See, "working out your salvation" is the WALK of Faith....is DISCIPLESHIP.

A person is walking the walk of Faith.
So, that is the same faith in God, that caused you to Trust in Christ.
But now, the person is LIVING THE FAITH.....as discipleship.
Same faith, but different application.

See it?
Its the same faith.
Not 2 of them.

 

[Sidon]

while you on the other hand teach that once we are born again we can sin all we want and even directly reject God and we will still be saved. .

Ive never said anywhere, on a forum, in a class, on a stage, that you can "sin all you want".
Paul does. not teach that........and neither do it.
What He teaches, and what i teach, is that Salvation is God on the Cross, redeeming the world from their sin.

Once you are REDEEMED, then you learn how to become this...>"Christ always gives me the Victory".
So, i dont teach that you should sin, i teach that you should not be sinning and confessing, but you should instead be....>>"Christ always gives me the Victory", and i teach you how to exist there.

See my THREADS for an update.

 

[Sidon]

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And James says "faith without works is dead".
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Listen, lets just jump to the "dead faith" issue you have, as all legalist teach that "dead faith" means "dead salvation".
Yet, if you actually read James, and not a heretic's commentary on James, then you find James teaching that dead faith is a product of a backslidden spiritual condition.
Nothing more, nothing less.

All born again people who are caught up in loving the things of the world, have dead faith.
All commandment keeping legalists, have dead faith.

Look at this closely...

What God did to resolve your separation from His Holy Spirit, (because you have sinned), was come here as the 2nd Adam, with the same holiness, righteousness, and Holy SPIRIT.
This is offered to you, as a "Gift".
This is what Jesus is talking about when He says dying on The Cross....."it is Finished".
This is the completion of what Jesus had to do, so that God could offer you the only way to become reconciled to God. John 14:6

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes, if a person is born again, they can hate God, and they are still born again.
Your feelings, have no impact on THE Fact, that a believer can't be Un-Born Again.
Feelings do not change the Blood of Jesus, once it has made a person "righteous".

I teach this all over the world, as legalist all over the world, in their pride, feel that they have more power to stop their salvation, then God has the Power to keep it for them.

Philippians 1:6

So, its just a pride thing.
I hear it in life, and on forums from Legalist.
In classes and one to one, i meet them, and they are all lost in the self deception of self saving.

Nothing new under the sun.

“For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus. For it is only right for me to feel this way about you all, because I have you in my heart, since both in my imprisonment and in the defense and confirmation of the gospel, you all are partakers of grace with me. For God is my witness, how I long for you all with the affection of Christ Jesus. And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in real knowledge and all discernment, so that you may approve the things that are excellent, in order to be sincere and blameless until the day of Christ; having been filled with the fruit of righteousness which comes through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭1:6-11‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Paul is saying that he is CONFIDENT he didn’t say that he is certain. The word he used means persuaded, confident, or to believe. He also says it is right for him to feel that way because they are in his heart and are partakers of grace and he says that he prays that their love may be more and more plentiful in knowledge and discernment so that they may approve (to test, examine, prove, scrutinize, to see whether a thing is genuine or not) in order to be sincere and blameless until the day of Christ.

So what Paul is saying is that he believes that God will perfect and finish their faith because they are faithful to Christ. He didn’t say that God will perfect and finish their faith he said he believes (thinks) that God will because of their faithfulness.

 

[Sidon]

. It’s one thing to say that the blood of Christ cleanses us of all sin but it’s completely another story to say that we can sin all we want and even directly reject God and still be saved.

If you understood Salvation, then you would understand that you behavior isn't why God saves, and your behavior isn't why God continues your Salvation.

Look at your post. That is you the self saver, explaining how you try to keep yourself saved.

"as long as i dont do this....or do that.....then i get to go to heaven"

See that?
That is what you are teaching as your Gospel of self saving Legalism, and it's not the Gospel that God offers you.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Ive never said anywhere, on a forum, in a class, on a stage, that you can "sin all you want".
Paul does. not teach that........and neither do it.
What He teaches, and what i teach, is that Salvation is God on the Cross, redeeming the world from their sin.

Once you are REDEEMED, then you learn how to become this...>"Christ always gives me the Victory".
So, i dont teach that you should sin, i teach that you should not be sinning and confessing, but you should instead be....>>"Christ always gives me the Victory", and i teach you how to exist there.

See my THREADS for an update.

But you have stated that a born again person can walk into a church and begin killing everyone inside and if he is killed in the process he is still saved. You also said that if a born again person directly rejects God he is still saved because if a person rejects their mother the mother will not reject the child. So I concede that you may have never used those exact words that a person can “sin all they want” but you have taught that sin does not disqualify us from salvation even if we don’t repent. That you have actually taught. My statement was simply a paraphrase.

 

[BNR32FAN]

If you understood Salvation, then you would understand that you behavior isn't why God saves, and your behavior isn't why God continues your Salvation.

Look at your post. That is you the self saver, explaining how you try to keep yourself saved.

"as long as i dont do this....or do that.....then i get to go to heaven"

See that?
That is what you are teaching as your Gospel of self saving Legalism, and it's not the Gospel that God offers you.

You have no idea what I teach because I’ve never told you that’s why you never can get it right because I’ve never told you what I teach.

 

[Sidon]

I quoted your post with YOU saying you get all these likes.

Yes, i responded to a initial post that talked to me about my "likes"...
Thats true.

Did you want to keep talking about my "likes".
Instead, just do what Bnr32fan does, and go and see them.
Enjoy.

 

[apollosdtr]

Why didn't the Father pick Paul?

You don't know what being born again means, Sidon, and you prove it more strongly every time you mention the phrase, because this doctrine belongs to the Kingdom Gospel. Your "new creature" is not "born again".

The bible is progressive revelation.

“The Lord held to this orderly plan in administering the covenant of his mercy: as the day of full revelation approached with the passing of time, the more he increased each day the brightness of its manifestation. Accordingly, at the beginning when the first promise of salvation was given to Adam (Gen. 3:15) it glowed like a feeble spark. Then, as it was added to, the light grew in fullness, breaking forth increasingly and shedding its radiance more widely. At last – when all the clouds were dispersed – Christ, the Sun of Righteousness, fully illumined the whole earth” (Institutes, 2.10.20).--John Calvin

That's Calvinism... so I'm not interested.

Why should you be.

No reason I can think of... Jesus is my yardstick, and Calvin's progressive revelation dogma doesn't measure up.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to make repleat.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You brought it up again in post 702, today.
That one also counts.

Listen, dont let your dishonestly keep you from trying it a few more times.
Isn't that why you're here?

You can search people’s posts in the search magnifying glass. Just type in a few words you remember them saying in the top area then type the name of the person and you can search their posts so you can quote them.

 

[apollosdtr]

Ive never said anywhere, on a forum, in a class, on a stage, that you can "sin all you want".
Paul does. not teach that........and neither do it.
What He teaches, and what i teach, is that Salvation is God on the Cross, redeeming the world from their sin.

Well yeah, ya kinda do... right here:

If you understood Salvation, then you would understand that you behavior isn't why God saves, and your behavior isn't why God continues your Salvation.

From the Kingdom Gospel standpoint, believe is an action verb.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Why would you think that what a group of legalist's say to me would concern me?

My point was that 3 other people have quoted Paul’s words from Ephesians 4 and 5 and you keep ignoring them. It’s not what we say that should matter it’s what Paul said that should matter.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Salvation is to be "made Righteous".
You can't do that for yourself.

So, I'll post this for the born again...""but now once in the end of the world Jesus appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.""""

See the "put away sin"?
How does He do that for the born again?

1.) By becoming all their sin on the Cross
2. ) by Dying for all their sin on the Cross

I can post a quote out of context to. Watch this

“and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Hallelujah the whole world is going to be saved. “See that” Jesus is the propitiation for the whole world’s sins so that means everyone will be saved and no one goes to hell.

This just shows what ridiculous doctrines a person can conjure up based on single verses without taking the whole message into account.

The Father cuts off every branch in Me that beareth not fruit. Anyone who does not abide in Me is cast away to wither and cast into the fire to be burned. You are severed from Christ, you have fallen from grace. If we deny Him, He will deny us.

 

[Sidon]

YOU are the one who is saying these likes are so important to you.

They are important to you and Bnr32fan.

Hes counts my likes and you help him talk about it.

Grow up.

 

[Sidon]

“For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus. .

Just use the verse.
Avoid the commentary.

 

[BNR32FAN]

God not charging sin to the born again, because Jesus has been judged for them all...... is not "preaching license"......its actually.."preaching the Cross"
I would not expect you to know this or understand.

Well in one breath you say that all sins are forgiven then in the next breath you say that you don’t preach a license to sin. So let’s just get this straight so that I don’t misrepresent what your teaching any further. Well, we’ve already established that a person can kill Christians and directly reject God and he will still be saved even if he doesn’t repent so are there any other sins that would cause a born again person to lose their salvation if they don’t repent?

 

[BNR32FAN]

No, ive never said that.
I teach the verse, same as Paul.

This is talking about the person, the self saver, the one that is trying to keep themselves saved by works, commandments, etcs..............this one is confessing to try to keep themselves saved, because they do not trust in Christ to Keep them saved.
That would be you.
You're the one that told this forum that the blood of Jesus does not keep anyone saved.
This explains why the blood of Jesus is not related to your theology.

Absolutely the blood of Christ does not keep someone saved. Did the blood of Christ keep Simon Magus saved? Did the blood of Christ keep those mentioned in John 15:6 saved? I’ll tell you exactly what keeps a person saved, faith and love. Jesus will not acknowledge anyone before The Father who does not have faith and love when their time comes.

 

[Sidon]

But you have stated that a born again person can walk into a church and begin killing everyone inside and if he is killed in the process he is still saved. .

I think it was the first day i joined the fourm....... what a month ago?
It was during that last week that the Arabs were shooting the final rockets toward Tel Aviv and the media was blaming Israel for causing it. Same week i showed up here.

You were discussing on a Thread.... a shooter, who might be born again.
You asked me about it...
I told you specifically, and will today, and tomorrow, that if he IS born again, then the shooting didnt change this, and cant.

1.) Listen,...... Pope's had Christians burned alive.....Just ask JOAN OF ARC.

THE CC had this Christian BURNED ALIVE. Later, they decided she is a "Saint", and they devote Catholic Days" to their "saint Joan of Arc".
= Kinda too late to keep her from feeling the FIRE and screaming till she dies while the Bishops stood there smiling and enjoyed it........., dont you think?
This made that POPE really happy also.
Now of course, "Saint Joan is honored" by the "church" that murdered her in the first place.
Can you smell the Hypocrisy?
It stinks in God's nostrils.
Ask Him.


2.) John Calvin, had a man burned alive.

JCalvin, is the one, who many on this forum, basically worship.
"Im a CALVINIST"...>

Well, Im not.
Im a called "Pauline Theology", teacher.
They are not the same.
Believe it.

So, Bnr32fan, you have a ways to go, along with a couple of others who play soft ball with you here, before you 3 understand : The Finished work Of Jesus on the Cross.

Im doing my part to help you see, but i can't learn it for you, fellas.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Did God the Father, choose the 12 for Jesus, "personally".
Is there any other way?
He showed The Christ who they were.
So, sure, that is choosing them, for Jesus.

Later, when Jesus was back in Glory, He chose Paul.

When we’re they chosen?

 

[apollosdtr]

But you have stated that a born again person can walk into a church and begin killing everyone inside and if he is killed in the process he is still saved. You also said that if a born again person directly rejects God he is still saved because if a person rejects their mother the mother will not reject the child. So I concede that you may have never used those exact words that a person can “sin all they want” but you have taught that sin does not disqualify us from salvation even if we don’t repent. That you have actually taught. My statement was simply a paraphrase.

"... """"""""""Ok here’s a scenario, a man believes all his sins are forgiven by Christ so he walks into a church and starts shooting everyone inside killing everyone he sees and in the process the police arrive and shoot the man dead. Is this man saved because he trusted in Christ to forgive his sins?""""""""

If the shooter is born again, then not just all your sin, ... but all his are covered, by Christ's blood. ..."
--Sidon, How to walk in the Spirit, page 11, post #206
How to walk in the Spirit.

God can't deny the new birth.
Try to understand that if a person is born again, that they can't stop being BORN.

[...]
Now, If a Born Again (thats a birth) tells God, "i dont want you, i dont want to be "born again".

From the Kingdom Gospel standpoint... yeah, the shooter's not gonna make it.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of the smallest commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven... 21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
(this isn't one of the smallest commandments)

 

[BNR32FAN]

"First of all, what would i be doing here, if im here worried about "likes".
So, really?
Are you kidding me with this petty nonsense, bnr32fan?

I'll leave that "likes" concern to baby Christians who need "likes" on forums, on FaceBook, on Twitter and Instagram, so that they can feel they have "value"."
-- Sidon, How to Walk in the Spirit, page 81, post 1602
How to walk in the Spirit.

I did bring up the subject of likes in that thread because he was saying that he has many people printing his threads and I thought that was very strange for a person who’s only been on CF for a month and has an extremely low number of likes and in my 4 years on CF I’ve never seen anyone mention anything about printing someone’s thread. I would think that being on here almost everyday for 4 years that I might’ve seen someone mention that before but I never have and in just 1 month this guy has “many people” doing it? Yeah something doesn’t seem right there. He has a total of 25 likes in 40 threads and many people are printing his threads?