“WHAT DO I DO? WHAT DO I DO?”: TRUMP DESPERATE, DESPONDENT AS NUMBERS CRATER, “LOSER” LABEL LOOMS

Speedwell · Jul 3, 2020

Zanting said:
Strange I suppose for people on the left, but people on the right expect more of the same...a super economy, freedom of speech, restoring justice, law and order, getting rid of drug cartels and human traffickers, more lowered taxes and even less hindering regulations, a completed border wall and rights for American citizens over those of illegal immigrants, continue removing troops from foreign land, ridding the world of terrorists, continuing to prevent endless wars in the middle east and elsewhere...to name a few more of the same stuff he and his administration has been doing...and of course...draining the swamp until it dries up and becomes prosperous fertile ground.

And they want it all just for themselves in a Christian nation.

Albion · Jul 3, 2020

pitabread said:
That wasn't the point. The point was that declaring Trump "the greatest president ever" is completely devoid of any factual basis.

No, it's not. There are numerous accomplishments to point to, and they have all been mentioned already on various threads here.

If someone else doesn't think that they add up to "greatest president ever," they are entitled to that opinion...just like the people who say he's the worst president ever.

Chances are that he is neither, but in either case, it's a value judgment. However, there are enough facts, and well-known ones, to make a claim that he's been a good and successful president be a reasonable assessment.

Albion · Jul 3, 2020

Speedwell said:
And they want it all just for themselves in a Christian nation.

Huh? I'd love to see anybody give a try at justifying THAT assessment.

pitabread · Jul 3, 2020

Albion said:
Chances are that he is neither, but in either case, it's a value judgment. However, there are enough facts, and well-known ones, to make a claim that he's been a good and successful president be a reasonable assessment.

From what I've seen, it's a stretch to even make the case that he's a "good" president. And certainly not in lieu of 2020 so far. Had he escaped his Presidency without any major crises, he would have been lucky.

But his handling of both COVID-19 and the civil unrest in the U.S. has revealed his severe weakness as a crisis manager. You guys probably couldn't have had a much worse leader for dealing with 2020.

pitabread · Jul 3, 2020

Albion said:
Huh? I'd love to see anybody give a try at justifying THAT assessment.

Are you not aware of the Christian right politics in the U.S. and how much influence religion has on U.S. politics?

Albion · Jul 3, 2020

pitabread said:
From what I've seen, it's a stretch to even make the case that he's a "good" president.

Again, everybody is entitled to an opinion.

There are enough cold, hard, facts to justify anyone thinking that Trump has been a good president, however. It's not as though that assessment is absent any support.

Albion · Jul 3, 2020

pitabread said:
Are you not aware of the Christian right politics in the U.S. and how much influence religion has on U.S. politics?

I was just responding to what was written in that particular post (#102)

I have no interest in explanations that deal with similar but not the same idea, that deal with watered-down versions of what was actually posted, or rework what was posted.

durangodawood · Jul 3, 2020

So hard to compare bottom of the barrel presidents.

I mean the GW Bush admin lied us into an astronomically expensive and deadly war. Trump didnt do that.

Otoh, I shudder to think what Trump would have done if he and his people had the reins in the aftermath of 9-11.

Speedwell · Jul 3, 2020

Albion said:
Again, everybody is entitled to an opinion.

There are enough cold, hard, facts to justify anyone thinking that Trump has been a good president, however. It's not as though that assessment is absent any support.

Like what? Putting aside the pandemic, the favorable economic trends begun in the Obama administration continued on Trump's watch. That's a good thing, but not a "great" thing. He's only built a relatively few miles of wall and illegals are cutting through it with relative ease. The Crown Jewel of his administration was supposed to be packing the courts for the Christian Right, but the last three SCOTUS decisions have gone against him, even with his new appointees. What else have you got? An isolationist foreign policy? Oh, boy.

Albion · Jul 3, 2020

Speedwell said:
Like what? Putting aside the pandemic, the favorable economic trends begun in the Obama administration continued on Trump's watch.

The "Great Recession," which is called that because it was the longest recession in US history, did not.

Nor did the doubling of the national debt, also a record-setting development for Obama. No, neither of those "accomplishments" of the Obama era were continued under Trump.

GreatLakes4Ever · Jul 3, 2020

Zanting said:
Strange I suppose for people on the left, but people on the right expect more of the same...a super economy, freedom of speech, restoring justice, law and order, getting rid of drug cartels and human traffickers, more lowered taxes and even less hindering regulations, a completed border wall and rights for American citizens over those of illegal immigrants, continue removing troops from foreign land, ridding the world of terrorists, continuing to prevent endless wars in the middle east and elsewhere...to name a few more of the same stuff he and his administration has been doing...and of course...draining the swamp until it dries up and becomes prosperous fertile ground.

Then why doesn’t he proudly display what he wants to do on his campaign website, listening to his Tulsa rally, there was a lot of time on grievances but very very little of anything to do with campaigning for a second term. If he wants people to give him four more years, he better have a vision on how he plans to spend them. I’m seriously questioning whether he wants another term if he isn’t going to tell me what he plans to do with it. You were merely guessing with what you wrote. Not saying it’s wrong but there is nothing from Trump to indicate it is correct.

Speedwell · Jul 3, 2020

Albion said:
The "Great Recession," which is called that because it was the longest recession in US history, did not.

Nor did the doubling of the national debt, also a record-setting development for Obama. No, neither of those "accomplishments" of the Obama era were continued under Trump.

Oh, right. None of the economic indicators began to improve until Trump took office, regardless of what the facts say.

for instance, this chart

is clearly a lie made up by the Left, right?

durangodawood · Jul 3, 2020

Albion said:
The "Great Recession," which is called that because it was the longest recession in US history, did not.

Nor did the doubling of the national debt, also a record-setting development for Obama. No, neither of those "accomplishments" of the Obama era were continued under Trump.

Hmm. I'm not sure deficit spending trends under Trump are anything to crow about. And I'm talking pre-pandemic.

jgarden · Jul 3, 2020

Albion said:
Again, everybody is entitled to an opinion.

There are enough cold, hard, facts to justify anyone thinking that Trump has been a good president, however. It's not as though that assessment is absent any support.

Warren Harding, James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson can all rest peacefully in their graves, secure in the knowledge that they will no longer be considered America's worst president!

pitabread · Jul 3, 2020

Albion said:
The "Great Recession," which is called that because it was the longest recession in US history, did not.

Nor did the doubling of the national debt, also a record-setting development for Obama. No, neither of those "accomplishments" of the Obama era were continued under Trump.

Economic performance is often mis-attributed to specific presidencies/administration, even though economies are typically both a lag measure and a result of numerous complex interactions over time that may or may not be completely reflective of a specific administration.

In short, Presidents get far too much credit/blame for economies.

pitabread · Jul 3, 2020

Albion said:
There are enough cold, hard, facts to justify anyone thinking that Trump has been a good president, however. It's not as though that assessment is absent any support.

[citation needed]

FireDragon76 · Jul 3, 2020

Dave G. said:
What's difference between Biden and a cardboard cutout of him ? Same result. Actually either one can show up and deliver canned messages made by someone else, they just need an audio player in the cutout.

Even a cardboard cutout of Biden would have more human empathy and warmth than Donald Trump's insane ramblings about shining lights in bodily orifaces or ranting about fake news.

rjs330 · Jul 3, 2020

GreatLakes4Ever said:
The “best ever” economy was smoke and mirrors. We were a nation of people who were one missed paycheck away from ruin renting from landlords one missed paycheck away from ruin working for companies one missed paycheck away from ruin.

That's the way it's been practically FOREVER. That had NOTHING to do with Trump. In fact Americans income went UP under Trump including the black community.

Americans have plenty of reasons why they live paycheck to paycheck. Most are due to how they live and have NOTHING to do with the president no matter who he is.

Why on earth you would blame one man for something that has been going on for a long time is beyond me. Why you would blame the government at all is beyond me.

rjs330 · Jul 3, 2020

Chesterton said:
You can thank Democrat governors and mayors for ruining a good economy.

I actually blame COVID for that. I don't blame Democrats for trying to contain this thing. The fact is they didn't and couldn't. But they tried.

I do get the effort, but at some point we have to realize that people needed the economy more than they needed to be protected from something they really couldn't be protected from.

This virus and it's long term effects world wide haven't seen the end of this. I think, even in places that have done more like SKA haven't seen the end of the effects.

Trump and the Republicans are the only hope we have of recovering from this. The Democrats will utterly destroy what we have left if they gain power. The economy will never recover if they gain the Whitehouse and the Congress.

rjs330 · Jul 3, 2020

ArmenianJohn said:
This is my fault. I was talking about productivity and said "bigger economy" which is not a measure of productivity. A big economy is not necessarily productive. I should have referred to the metric GDP per capita, where NY is clearly far ahead of Texas and other relatively unproductive states. I was thinking "bigger" in terms of prominence, and everyone knows that NYC is far more prominent on the national and world stage.

Ever heard of Wall Street? Madison Ave.?? Fifth Ave.??? Silicon Alley?? Broadway??

No, it would decrease my income. It would probably also decrease my costs. Though my profit margin may remain the same the volume would be lower. That's how it works. Same with pay scales, they are much lower in Texas than in NYC.

You were seriously asserting that???

Wrong. Meth is not illegal. Meth is legal but sales and distribution of meth is regulated. Tobacco is also legal but sales and distribution of tobacco is also regulated. Selling meth or tobacco outside of the regulations is equally illegal.

So you would defend a man's rights to sell his personal property if he's selling meth illegally as quickly as you would defend a man selling tobacco illegally? Or you would just make up your own regulations and rules about what 'should' be illegal or legal and then punish one and reward the other? What is your point with that example?? Doesn't make sense.

So how much do you pay your employees? How much per hour?

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