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Douggg.....The 7 were/are Kingdoms....God REDUCES THEM to Kings who fall !!
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I don't worry about others at all, I follow the Holy Spirit. The Spirit bears witness to the Spirit. The Prophecy scriptures are easy for me, I know what everything in the book of Revelation (BoR) means, because that is my calling. I even understand the exact Chronological Order of the BoR.
My Visions (any that I have had) has/had zero to do with my understanding of scriptures, that took hard work and prayer. The only Visions I have had pushed me towards my Prophesy calling 30 years ago. I thought nothing of it at the time to be honest. I was running from something evil, some bad dudes, I thus hid behind a bush by a house and then heard a very loud voice say " The Man of Sin is Here". That was all I heard, in a Vision, I really thought it was strange as a young Christian, but God has a way of confirming things to us anyway. A few weeks later (1987 I think) I had another Vision, I was in this huge auditorium that was maybe 10 k to 15 k as per seating, and Jimmy Swaggart was preaching to MAYBE 10 people, and I was one, I had no idea what it meant until like 2 weeks later when he fell from Grace. That was God telling me, hey, I understand all things, remember I told you the Man of Sin was here ? Well, he is here !! So I understood at that point God was calling me to Prophecy in General. But that has zero to do with learning Scriptures, we must seek His face, pray, research, study, etc. etc. etc. That is how I gain my understandings. Hard work, prayer, I thirst for knowledge, ask and you shall receive.
It doesn't matter what the Jews thought in reality does it ? That has zero to do with how God sees these things. These Prophesies come from God, not the Jews per se.
I explained this above, no use rehashing it again. The Kingdoms are REDUCED to Kings. Ones who ARISE and then FALL. That is all it is.
Daniel chapter 2 shows us 5 Beasts if you listen, the last being the 10 toes of Clay MIXED with the Iron. The Fourth Beast is Iron Legs only. The Clay = Demonic and thus the BASE is weak, Jesus is the Rock thus building on a rock is a solid base, building on what Satan (the Clay) has built is weak, and thus the Rack slams into the FEET of Iron & Clay. Men serving Satan can not stand !!
As per Dan. 7 that is clear also, the BEAST has a body and is cast into hell, I don't think Rome has a body or is cast into hell !!
Dan. 7:11 hen because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
This matches Rev. 19 also, this is why Rev. 17 goes to such lengths to tell us that the LAST BEAST HEAD is.............ONE MAN, not a Kingdom, thus we get the reductions from Kingdoms to Kings.
Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
So, God gives us riddles, which is why 2000-2500 years prophesies have never been understood, just as Gabriel stated would happen, but in these end times, God told Gabriel that we would understand all things !! We have the advantage of looking back through all of history, with a computer at our every beck and call (making our research much easier). We can see and understand things at Warp Speed compared to people only 75-100 years ago !! All we have to do is work hard and pray. Amen.
Jesus explained them to his disciples, then they placed them in the Holy Writ/Gospels for us, but the world still scoffs at these sayings, of course. But we see these deep secrets. Jesus is the sower, the Wheat is Israel, they remain on earth with the Tares until the end whereas the Church are Raptured to Heaven. The Tares are gathered at Armageddon.
God uses Riddles, Metaphors and Parables to tell us truths, we have to seek out these truths via the Holy Spirit. The world thus can not see these things at all.
God reduces the 7 Kingdoms to 7 Kings who have ARISEN and then FALLEN. The Last Beast is the only one to do both and who never passes his Kingdom on to another, thus he is THE BEAST. That is what God is trying to tell us in Rev. 17, and that Apollyon is the Spiritual 8th King being spoken of who is currently in the bottomless pit.
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Oh well, God is good. Amen.
Oh well, God is good. Amen.
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fyi: An answer that stems from Millennialism can be summed up this way:
Historically Millennialism has long been held as a false teaching.
Historically Millennialism has long been held as a false teaching.
- The Augsburg Confession the 17th article alludes to the origin of this error
- Luther held the position that Millennialism is a heresy (sermon preached in 1539)
- John Calvin wrote that the doctrine of the millenarians is a "fiction too puerile to require or deserve refutation"
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I've come to understand the 7 headed beast as having primary application to the Herodian Dynasty, (7 Herods) who's 10 horns were the 10 caesars in power over the same period the as the 7 Herods, who derived their power from the Caesars.
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that's not what you said at first, you said:
Now, when I ask you where you got that definition from, you changed what you originally stated to what the actually definition given by strong's is:
a mountain, hill
Probably from an obsolete oro (to rise or "rear"; perhaps akin to airo; compare ornis); a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain): -hill, mount(-ain).
You high lighted the phrase "lifting itself above the plain". You do know that is the definition of a mountain right?
noun
a large natural elevation of the earth's surface rising abruptly from the surrounding level; a large steep hill.
However, then take it a step further and state the mountains are symbols for kings rising. This would be your addition to scripture, as the angel doesn't say that.
It actually doesn't it all. it says the opposite of what you claim. it literally states they are mountains
revelation 17:9 This calls for a mind that has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
but that's not what it says. you're adding that. there is no scripture that states "kings that arise above plains".
actually no, that not's true. The word for word greek translation is "AND KINGS SEVEN THERE ARE".
Where does scripture state the woman is "false religion"? I'll wait for you to post supporting scripture.
In fact, this one of the instances where scripture defines who the woman is:
The woman is defined as the great city
Revelation 17:18 and the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth.”
And the great city is where Jesus was crucified.
Revelation 11:8 and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the GREAT CITY that symbolicallyb is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.
So what do we know? the woman symbolically represents where Jesus was crucified.
and where was Jesus crucified? Jerusalem, specifically outside the gate of jerusalem
Luke 13:33 Nevertheless, I must keep going today and tomorrow and the next day, for it is not admissible for a prophet to perish outside of Jerusalem.
Hebrews 13:12 And that is why Jesus suffered outside the city gate, to sanctify the people by His own blood.
I agree it's very symbolic, but as soon as we apply meaning to the symbols that is NOT STATED in revelation or other scripture, we turn it into personal interpretation.
Where? please provide specific verse where is angel is told by GOd to reduce kingdoms to kings.
scripture does not say "arise above plains" that is simply the dictionary definition of a mountain.
For one thing, there is no scripture that defines the heads as kingdoms, that is your own personal interpretation. Its like if I defined them as the Roman Caesars. There is no scripture that states they are roman caesars, thus it would be my personal interpretation.
Let's look at the 7 kingdoms
Egypt ruled over the entire land of Israel prior to Israel being there.
Assyria only ruled over the north part of Israel, never Jerusalem
Babylon ruled over Judea and also the northern part of Israel
Persia/media ruled over all of Israel, north and south
Greece ruled over all of Israel, north and south for a period of time.
THen during the hasmonean dynasty, Israel was an independent nation again for a period of about 70-80 years. THey had almost all of their land back as well.
Then rome conquered Jerusalem due to civil wars during the hasmonean dynasty and rome ruled over the land of Israel north and south.
you also have the byzantine empire, the early arab period, mamluk period, ottoman empire, and the brittish emipre. that ruled over the land of Israel.
Using math, that comes to more the 7 kingdoms that ruled the land of israel until it became a nation again in 1948.
You're right, when it comes to personal interpretations by men, I do need help understanding where they get these bizarre theories from, especially when they don't provide supporting scripture.
the same could be said about roman caesars, 5 had fallen, one is (nero). however, this would just be personal interpretation as the bible does not define the kings as roman caesars.
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RT, it is 7 kings of the fourth kingdom. The ten kings are of the fourth kingdom also.
Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
They are kings. It says when "he" comes, "he" must continue a short space.
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That is exactly what I said, you just don't seem to comprehend it in full. I am pointing out it's not about 7 Mountains in ONE PLACE it's about 7 Kings and the Greek word OROS is used, you keep saying Mountain is used, IT WAS WROTE IN GREEK NOT English !!!! Good Grief man !! That is the English translation that came years later.
So when I tell you the various meanings you insist it has to be Mountain because the KJV says so I guess, the KJV is a translation that came 1500 years after the fact man. It says OROS, which can mean one who arises above the plains, which fits better than Mountains because it speaks about or says they are also 7 Kings in the very next verse. Wow, this is like pulling teeth man. I guess I should understand most people just don't see Revelation as clearly as I do, I used to be confused by it also, but it's like very simple unto me now, God shows those who seek. Mountains also mean Kingdoms/Kings n many places !!
I didn't change anything, I showed you what Strong's had as per to what OROS can mean, thus when it shows that it can mean :as lifting itself above the plains", and it says in the very next verse they are also 7 Kings what do you think it means ? Mountains or Kings who lifted themselves above the plains as in ABOVE ALL OTHERS !!
Mountains in many places in the bible stand for Kings or Kingdoms, I have studied that to no end, which is why I knew what this meant to start with. SOME EXAMPLES BELOW :
Jeremiah 51:24 And I will render unto Babylon and to all the inhabitants of Chaldea all their evil that they have done in Zion in your sight, saith the Lord.
25 Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the Lord, which destroyest all the earth: and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt mountain.
Some commentary I have used on Mountains before, BELOW:
Bible verses about Mountains as Symbols of Nations
(From Forerunner Commentary)
Jeremiah 50:4-6
Jeremiah 50:1 begins a two-chapter prophecy of judgment against Babylon. Babylon was the dominant world power in Jeremiah's day, 600 years before Christ.
Clearly, these verses are placed in the time just ahead of us. Is it possible, then, that at least some of the judgments pronounced against Babylon in these two chapters also actually apply to our time? Could what occurred to Babylon when God carried out His threats in the sixth century BC have been only a type of far greater end-time fulfillments against a modern Babylon?
Verse 6 plainly pictures an end-time scenario. The Israelites are even called the "lost sheep" of the house of Israel. It is as if God is saying they have forgotten who they are, and the world does not know their location either. God says they are "turned . . . away on the mountains." Mountains are a biblical symbol of large nations, and hills, of smaller ones. This prophecy foretells Israel's long-term scattering among Gentile peoples worldwide, and so thoroughly accomplished is the scattering that Israel has forgotten she began in Canaan.
MORE COMMENTARY ON MOUNTAINS BELOW:
a) The first Mountain in Daniel 2:44-45 represents God and his Kingdom
Deuteronomy 32:15 " But Jeshurun grew fat and kicked; You grew fat, you grew thick, You are obese! Then he forsook God [who] made him, And scornfully esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
Mountains in scripture are symbolic of kingdoms. This is because the capital cities of almost all ancient kingdoms were founded on mountains. Daniel 9:16 clearly illustrates this fact: “Let now Your anger and Your wrath turn away from Your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain.” Throughout the Bible there are tons of examples in which mountains mean cities (Psalms 2:6; 48:1; Isaiah 66:20; Jeremiah 51:25; and Joel 3:17) e.g
- Mount Seir was the site of Bozrah the capital of Edom.
- Mount Sion was the capital of Israel in Jerusalem.
b) How the symbol of mountains relate with Nebuchadnezzar's image
Mountains are composites of all that exists on earth. Iron, copper, gold, silver etc are dug out of mountains. Earth is a product of the decay of mountains. So the first mountain in this prophecy (Daniel 2:44-45) is the source or parent from which all the kingdoms in Nebuchadnezzar's image were born. This is the Rock of ages and its king is the Ancient of days.
c) The Stone cut out of the mountain is a symbol of Christ according to OT and NT prophecy
The stone cut out of the mountain is the stone that will be used to build the mountain of the Lord's house.
Isaiah 2:2 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the LORD's house Shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be exalted above the hills; And all nations shall flow to it.
Ephesians 2:20-21 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord,
this stone:
Matthew 21:42 Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: 'The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone. This was the LORD's doing, And it is marvelous in our eyes'?
Isaiah 28:16 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation, A tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation; Whoever believes will not act hastily.
Zechariah 4:7 'Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain! And he shall bring forth the capstone With shouts of "Grace, grace to it!"
In Summary
So the first mountain is the kingdom of God. The stone cut out of that mountain is Christ's earthly kingdom which will grow into a mountain; a final and an eternal world empire
Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end, Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, To order it and establish it with judgment and justice From that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
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I was not just telling you my opinion brother, I am telling you what I have learned from 30 plus years of study via Prophecy. I understand wanting the underbelly/bones of my understandings, I am not discounting you wanting proof of what I am saying. I just pity my typing fingers !!
Getting long, I will do another post on the rest.............
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No, I know what I speak of brother, keeping up is on you.
I am not going to argue with you further, you belive as you will, it's about 7 Kings that FALL, which represent the 7 Kingdoms that ruled over the Mediterranean Sea Region whist Israel was in the land. Whatever you say changes nothing on this brother. It is what it is.
Study more..................
It is true, this is my profession brother.
I don't expect you to be able to see it, you can't even see the Mountains are representing Kingdoms or Kings, this is why we get things like 7 hills on Rome etc. etc. which just makes me shake my head. When we get to heaven, and you learn it was never about a city with 7 hills it will click in then. Harlotry is being UNFAITHFUL !! Not serving God but false gods is HARLOTY !! Of course you have to be called to Prophecy I guess to see these things.
Again, FALSE FLAGS......I explain this in much detail where even a 5th grader can understand it, at least my grandkids understand it.
Babylon, The Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast Explained
The Angel tells John, Hey....The Woman YOU SAW (IN THE VISION) is that GREAT CITY. tHE vISION WAS, which was only four verses, 3-6. And what did John see ? Babylon TATTOOED on her head as one of FOUR DESCRIPTORS of who the Harlot is. She is/was a MYSTERY first, then she is described as being the sidekick of Babylon the Great, she is described as the Mother of Harlots and an ABOMINATION of the Earth. We have to put all of the clues together, not just use one clue.
Mystery, she was a part of the Mystery Religions which came in via Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz, they were emulated by others all around the heathren world, they all had a SUN GOD, MOON GODDESS and then the Son reborn. So these were all birthed in Babylon, and flourished in Babylon more than anywhere in history, that is where we got the horoscope from, Babylon had 100 of false gods and demi-gods.
It's no longer a Mystery because the Angel in verse 7 says come and I will show you the Mystery of the Woman (False Religion) and the Beast (False Governance) she rides. Mystery (Musterion) only means secret by God's silence.
Babylon the Great describes the BIRTHPLACE of False Religion.
Mother of Harlots describe her as the Mother of all False Religion.
Abominations of the Earth describe her as an Abomination, which FALSE RELIGION is to God who is a Jealous God, of course it's an Abomination unto God when men serve False gods !!
All of these Descriptors add up to FALSE RELIGION !! Which rides the back of the Government Beasts down through the ages !! They have been co-mingled together. Until the Kings in League with the Beast KILL the Harlot off in Rev. 17:16. The Beast demands to be worshiped as the ONLY GOD, thus Islam has to go, as does Buddhism and Hinduism, thus the Harlot must be killed off.
There are MANY Great Cities, not just one. Rome, Jerusalem, Damascus, Babylon etc. etc.
No, it just means you jump to conclusions that there is only ONE Great City.
Except I study, pray, and know what they mean, I agree many people have no clue about these things, I can't help their misconceptions, that is not my problem brother. You see, you want it to be Jerusalem, even though it isn't, so that is kinda what you are speaking about here. Stop wanting something so hard, and accept the facts brother. That is how I learned to hear the small still voice, you have to be ready to be wrong, else God can teach us nothing.
If you didn't understand it you probably won't, no use repeating it.
No, it's a definition that can be used for OROS just as Mountains can. But it's not that important because Mountains also represent Kingdoms and always have.
Of course it is read Daniel 7 man. I am called to Prophecy, this is basic stuff man. Anything that is wrong would be a personal Interpretation, God is clear who these 7 Heads are. It's a very easy interpretation to be honest.
Israel was in bondage in Israel for 400 years while Israel BEASTED over the whole Mediterranean Sea Region !! Wow !! Did you even look at the maps I placed in that post ?
Assyria was a Mediterranean Sea Beast which toted off all of the 10 tribes to the North.
Babylon was a Beast, as was Persia, as was Greece, as was Rome as will the Anti-Christ be. That adds up to Seven Beast Heads. It's about a POWER that Conquers, Rules or Enslaves Israel and its peoples. God saw Israel as Dead Men's Bones for nigh 2000 years. There could thus be NO BEAST, but when the Anti-Chris Conquers Jerusalem/Israel, the Mediterranean Sea Region, the Beast will live again for the first time in nigh 2000 years.
The Beasts were Mediterranean Sea Beasts, thus they went from Greece to Babylon. People like you overthink the facts brother. Israel was DISPERSED the world over and God saw them as Dead Men's Bones, so how could Israel be BEASTED OVER if they were DEAD in God's eyes ? After Rome, or during Rome's rule, they were dispersed, God refused to recognize them as a Nation just like Ezekiel prophesied. You see, I put it all together brother, I seek it out. I don't assume I am right on everything thus I learn new things daily. I wrote a blog saying THAT GREAT CITY in Rev. 17:18 was Rome, God basically told me YOU ARE WRONG Ron....so that link I gave you was a revised Blog or thread. Babylon is that Great City, and it is just one of FOUR DESCRIPTORS on the Harlots Head. So your math would be futile, those Nations.Empires mean nothing, Israel could not be Beasted over man, she was Dead unto God !! She was not in Israel, she was dispersed the world over. Then God BREATHED LIFE into her again, and after the Rapture the Anti-Christ will Conquer Israel and thus become THE BEAST for 42 months, thus the Wound is healed. The Beast is alive again, ruling over Israel for the first time in nigh 2000 years.
The Church age creates a gap between the Statues/Beasts man !! Take the Church Age out and he Beast and the Statue fits together PERFECTLY !! The Church gave Rome the MORTAL WOUND, the gates of hell could not overcome the Church. We changed the Fourth Beast from a TIGER LIKE BEAST to a toothless Kitty Cat that carried the gospel to all four corners of the world for Jesus Christ. When we are Rapture the Beast will live again, this will force Israel to repent.
You keep going down those empty paths all you want brother. I don't follow false flags.
Anyone following Caesar's I discount pretty quickly brother as per their overall eschatology. I do nothing personal, it really doesn't matter what you don't know does it ? It changes nothing that I do know.
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RT, it says right in Daniel 7:23-24 that the ten kings and the little horn (the another) come out of the fourth kingdom.
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
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The Whole EARTH was used for Babylon also, it meant all the known Land of the day. Or all the land of the Kingdoms in the area, the Mediterranean Sea Area. Since it was used with Babylon also, it doesn't have to mean the WHOLE EARTH...FACT Brother.
The Fourth Kingdom is where the Little Horn and 10 Kings arise from, but the Little Horn in Daniel 7:11 is CALLED A BEAST !! A Beast whose BODY is destroyed and given to hellfire. So there are 5 Beasts there, the Four AND the Little Horn. FACTS....
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
See the big one above ? HE SHALL BE DIVERSE FROM THE FIRST.......Not all, but only from the First, meaning there are TWO BEASTS from the Fourth Kingdom.
Verses 3 says all the Beasts are diverse from each other, but the Little Horn is only diverse from the FIRST..............The First Roman Beast............We already knew they were all different from each other, thus this implies the little Horn is different from the First Roman Beast !!
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No, the little horn in Daniel 7:11 us bit called a beast. It is because of the great words which the little horn speaks - that the fourth kingdom will destroyed.
Daniel 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Daniel 7:11 refers back to Daniel 7:7-8.
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
No, it is meaning that the little horn will be different from the ten kings, who will come first.
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first [ten kings], and he shall subdue three kings.
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It's interesting. Many on here say they follow the holy spirit, and yet there are hundreds if not thousands of different interpretations of revelation.
so says a lot people on this website who interpret revelation different from you.
why is it you that know how to truly interpret revelation versus the hundreds of others who also pray, study, are lead by the holy spirit, and interpret revelation completely different than you?
You have got to be kidding me? "it doesn't matter what the jews thought"? "this has zero to with how God sees things"?
you do realize the entire new testament was written by jews under the influence of God himself? Did you even read the passage, because it doesn't sound like you did. JEWS (believers in Christ during the 1st century church) quote the words of david, in regards to kings and rulers of the earth raging, and state this has fulfilled with Herod and pontius conspiring against Jesus.
Acts 4:25-27 You spoke by the Holy Spirit through the mouth of Your servant,b our father David: ‘Why do the nations rage, and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the Lord and against His Anointed One.’ In fact, in this very city Herod and Pontius Pilate conspired with the Gentiles and the people of Israel against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed
You may believe that it doesn't matter what the inspired jews of the 1st century thought, but I would completely disagree with you.
you are entitled to your opinion, but until you provide scripture to support it, that's all it is, an opinion.
incorrect, the statue consists of only 4 kingdoms
Daniel 2:38-40 Wherever the sons of men or beasts of the field or birds of the air dwell, He has given them into your hand and has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of gold. But after you, there will arise another kingdom, inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule the whole earth. there will be a fourth kingdom as strong as iron;
Daniel 2 clearly states Nebuchadnezzar was the head of gold, followed by ANOTHER KINGDOM, followed by a 3RD KINGDOM, followed by a 4TH KINGDOM. there is no mention of a 5th kingdom after this.
This is the vision
Daniel 7:11 Then I kept watching because of the arrogant words the horn was speaking. As I continued to watch, the beast was slain, and its body was destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire.
This is the interpretation
Daniel 7:26 But the court will convene, and his dominion will be taken away and completely destroyed forever.
Notice it is not the entire 4th beast that is destroyed, but the only the little horn.
I agree that the little horn of daniel 7 is the beast of revelation 13 and 17. both the little horn and the beast blaspheme God and persecute the saints for 3.5 years, prior to the kingdom going to the saints
Unlike daniel, the angel tells john not seal up the vision for the time is near.
revelation 22:10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of prophecy in this book, because the time is near.
You're completely missing my point. Jesus defined the parts of certain parables for the disciples so that they would understand. However, when the angel defines the vision, you seem to stating the angel is defining with more metaphors.
Jesus defines the sower as the son of man, so the sower is the son of man
The angel defines the 7 heads of the beast as 7 mountains and 7 kings. but your are saying they are not actually mountains or kings but 7 kingdoms arising.
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I would definitely say there is evidence to this and I would lean this way as well, especially considering revelation 12 which describes the dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns going after the woman about to give birth to Christ. For it was herod who wanted to kill the newborn christ. but it was also the sanhedrin and jews who wanted to kill christ before his appointed time.
** side note, At this point in time (herod the great) the dragon has only 7 crowns. Later when the beast goes to persecute the church for 42 months, it has 10 crowns. I'm curious what the significance of this is?
We even see herod agrippa persecuting the church in jerusalem (imprisoning peter and killing james), in the book of acts. Herod agrippa is also struck down by God for blasphemy
The beast is also described as first waging war against the lamb and then destroying the harlot (revelation 17). The herods definitely waged war against the lamb and the church. The sanhedrin waged war against the lamb and the church. the zealots waged war againts the church, and certain roman rulers waged war against the lamb and the church.
Jerusalem (the harlot) and its temple were destroyed first by the zealots and imudeans and then the romans came and leveled the city and sanctuary.
As nothing is really defined beyond the 7 heads are 7 mountains and kings, it makes it really hard to distinguish the identities of the 7 kings. That's what makes me curious if the crowns could help in any way.
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Yes they did, but Jewish believers, also called herod and pontius kings and rulers of the earth.
Acts 4:25-27 You spoke by the Holy Spirit through the mouth of Your servant,b our father David ‘Why do the nations rage, and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the Lord and against His Anointed One.’c In fact, in this very city Herod and Pontius Pilate
So as the 7 heads of the beast are not specifically named, any name applied to them is personal interpretation.
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No, the Little Horn is the last Beast Head, the Fourth Beast or Rome is dead, it suffered the Mortal Wound. The BEAST was slain, his BODY destroyed and he's cast into hell, what part of that can't you understand brother ?
It doesn't refer back to verse 7 but it does refer to verse 8. You can't seem to grasp there is a 2000 year gap there, and there is a Fourth Beast AND the Little Horn. That's on you.
Dan. 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it;
and it had ten horns. (Goes below...there were no verses or chapters.)
2000 YEARS or so IN BETWEEN THESE VERSES !! It's called The Church Age !!
and it had ten horns. 8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
It is Rome above in verse 7..........And the Anti-Christ who becomes the Beast in verse 8.
The Beasts are what is being spoken of, nt the 10 Kings. Nowhere are any of the Horns described n any manner. You have to try and change your eschatology up it seems.
There are 5 Beasts in Daniel, and 7 over all, it has zero to do with Roman Kings.
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If people can't hear the Holy Spirit that is on them isn't it ? I could care less what people say, because I can tell the voice of the Holy Spirit no matter where it comes from and the voice of the one that confuses, no matter who utters it. That is why what people say don't bother me, I can can hear in the Spirit world. Either its of God or it isn't, there is no in between, those of the Spirit always understand, it hard to explain, God has a rhythm that people can see, that's all I can say. Either you see it or you don't. What these people say or don't say effects me not.
And like I stated above, God didn't call me to worry about what others think, I will let you do that whole I send time with God, reading His word and understanding his voice. People like you amaze me to be truthful, why don't you hear that small still voice ? Why ? So you should be confused because there are "MANY INTERPRETATIONS" but that is o excuse, you are supposed to be able to understand he different voices !!
Now you are at least getting to a legitimate question brother, the others we nonsensical factoids, we all know many people who profess knowledge of God have none, but we are supposed to have built in lie detectors.
Some people God calls unto Prophecy for starters, many people who are legs try to be arms when they are really legs. That is a mistake. I asked God 5 years ago, why did you call me to prophecy, and I have been studying for 25 years and still I do not know anymore than I did as a young Christian. That is when the Holy Spirit told me why I was stuck in the mud, like many on here today. It's all about what "WE KNOW" or think we know.
The Holy Spirit was like, well, the reason I can't teach you is you already know it all. I was like, what ? I am asking for knowledge, he was like, yep, but you know all of those things you think you know ? Those Men's Traditions Jesus warned the Pharisees about ? Well, I can't teach you new things because all of those things are ingrained into your spirit and mind as truths, CLEAR YOUR MIND and start over like you did as a young Christian, then allow me to TEACH YOU. Boom, I understood exactly what I needed to do.
Things like the Rev. 7:9-17 multitude that came out of the Great Tribulation, which in my mind meant they were the dead Martyrs of the Tribulation period now got a fresh look, because I waS like teach me your truths Lord, and instead of accepting that they had to come out of the "TRIBULATION PERIOD" which never really fit the pre-trib Rapture, I would ask God who are they? Where did they come from ? REALLY ? Then I would see.....Jesus stated we are in tribulation CONTINUALLY, so the Church Age was a 2000 year Tribulation period, then we had the Rapture of those that came out of THE GREAT TRIBULATION as in 2000>7 !!
They came out of the Church Age, of course, now it all fits together! The Martyrs under the Altar at the the 5th Seal are given White Robes and told SPECIFICALLY that they must wait until their brothers have died just as they had, which means of course that they have to wait until the Beats 42 Months reign is over to be resurrected. It all fits !! The 7 year period or 70th week is also Tribulation, but there is a period of time that is the GREATEST TROUBLES EVER !! It's a 3.5 year period of time called the Day of the Lord. The Church Age Tribulation is GREATER than the 7 years of Jacob's trouble as per its size, much greater. We pigeonhole God's vocabulary and pass on Men's Traditions, which can not be true, those Multitude can not be the Martyr's under the Altar at the 5th Seal, they have to wait until the Beasts reign is over.
So, the reason I understand and hear is I put off Men's Traditions, I seek truth at all times. No matter what the beliefs passed down say, I seek the facts, God can't teach us if we already know things to be 100 percent true. My job is not to worry about others brother, they will have to answer for their own lives.
I didn't say Paul, Peter etc. etc I said Jews, so I am speaking about what non believing Jews think, which is what you were referencing. Why would Believing Jews opinions not matter ? Why would you even think I meant that. Overthinking it seems. What the Jews think now (non believing Jews) has zero bearing on the TRUTHS of God because they are blinded !!
I have no clue what pst you pilled this from this I can't see the context. If you want to describe what post its from will go back and look at the context, yu guys don't always show my full quotes. What the Jews who were not Christians thought is NOT RELEVANT since they were blinded, I am sure that was what I stated if the context is found.
The Scriptures are provided with my every post, you just can't see it.
There are 5 Kingdoms..............The 10 toes and feet made of Iron AND Clay are not the LEGS of Iron. I see why you can't see what I see brother, this is simple stuff tbh.
The Little Horn is cast into hell, Dan. 7:12 tells us the OTHER BEASTS as in Babylon, Persis, Greece and Rome all lived on for a Season and a Time after they lost their Dominion. Meaning that Babylon was where Alexander the Great died, Persia is Iran today, Greece and Rome are still around today as diminished powers. But alas, when the ten toes are destroyed, the WHOLE STATUE is destroyed. So the Little Horn is cast into Hell, anf Satan is locked in the pit breaking his power for 1000 years. Thus Rome and the whole Statue is BROKEN, the Rock smashed the Statue in the FEET !! Thereby destroying the whole statue.
He's the Beast Rev. 13, but not the Beast of Rev. 17, that is Apollyon. He is the Beast that is cast into hell in Rev. 19.
I guess Jesus wanted them to be expectant. We have to watch the English translations.
Jesus gave us the book of Revelation. He sent the Angels to convey his message, same thing in reality. They are are Mountains, the were Kingdoms, God wanted to specifically tell us about the KINGS THAT FALL. That is why we get OROS.
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I don't know the complete list of names of the kings represented by the 7 heads, because the 7th is still a mystery to his actual identity. It won't be long though.
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