Imminent Destruction of the United States

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Wow, you sure have a penchant for creativity. As a I've already provided:

Rev. 20:4 ... They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.

This "rest of the dead" include ALL who have died since creation. And after the dead arise, then the living are ~raptured~ to the New Jerusalem. To presume (create) otherwise is mistaken.
I can only tell you the facts, I can't make you understand the facts.

Rapture of the Dead and Living in Christ = First Resurrection {OF God's people}

The Martyr's/Beheaded from the 5th Seal are Judged in Rev. 20:4, after the Church Returns with Jesus in Rev. 19, its not that hard to understand, the Church is IN HEAVEN with Jesus BEFORE Armageddon. This is STILL the First Resurrection {OF God's people}

The Second Resurrection = Al of the Dead in Satan besides the Beast and False Prophet who were throw into hell 1000 years earlier.

Wait... what...?
I explained it, you have to be more detailed than this to get a response. I don't understand your question here.

There are so many things WRONG with this statement, I don't know where to begin -- but I'll try:

1. The Rev. 13 "mortal wound" has NOTHING TO DO WITH ROME.
2. There are NO 2000 YEAR GAPS in any of the cited chronologies.

Perhaps your "ministry" is not in Bible Prophecy.
Once again, Prophecy may not be your calling good sir.
 
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I usually do not reply to you because you have never been someone that I see as getting it, just the opposite you seemingly understand almost nothing about Eschatology or even basic Christian tenants, from my perspective,
From your perspective; Bible prophecy is a closed book. Isaiah 29:9-12
I do really feel sad for people like you, with such a false idea of what will happen because when the Lord does take action, you will be very shocked and surprised.

Revelation 19:1-7 isn't referring to the Church in heaven at all. They are the souls of all the martyrs, as told us in Revelation 6:9-11, proved by how they praise God for taking His vengeance on their killers.
 
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From your perspective; Bible prophecy is a closed book. Isaiah 29:9-12
I have no clue what you are saying here, its nonsensical. Prophecy as per my understanding will not be CLOSED UP until the 70th week is over via the Second Coming. So you really don't understand any of my thinking's/understandings.

I do really feel sad for people like you, with such a false idea of what will happen because when the Lord does take action, you will be very shocked and surprised.
Spare me your ramblings. Everything I see you post is off kilter brother, you should stay out of the Prophecy section in the library, its not your calling.

Revelation 19:1-7 isn't referring to the Church in heaven at all. They are the souls of all the martyrs, as told us in Revelation 6:9-11, proved by how they praise God for taking His vengeance on their killers.
Sure............SMH.
 
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DaDad said:
... Walvoord's experts couldn't agree on an interpretation for Daniel 9, with Montgomery being the most forthright decreeing it as:"the dismal swamp of O.T. prophecy" ...
For starters, I have never heard of this man nor his group of "thinkers".
That's obvious. -- Walvoord was one of the most esteemed professors at the Dallas Theological Seminary, and wrote the book "Daniel, The Key To Prophetic Revelation". He cited all the great thinkers regarding the Book of Daniel, and come to think of it, he didn't quote ANY of your "blogs". Hmmmmm, I can see why.

DaDad said:
... the word "weeks" is NOT the usual concise diction. It's synonymous to being offered a ride in a "cool" car, whereupon you grab for a hat, coat, scarf, and gloves. IT'S NOT A LITERAL "week"/"seven". Per Walvoord: Young, kiel, & Kliefoth ALL AGREE that it's in the "UNUSUAL" inconcise Masculine Gender text.

I know, that's why I called it 70 SEVENS of Judgment, if you would take another look. I study all the root words on every thing I study in depth brother.

You DON'T GET IT. They're NOT "sevens" in the LITERAL sense. So why do you interpret them as though they were?!? 9:2 says "seventy years", which is the predominant fulfillment.

DaDad said:
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Furthermore, per Young, the "going forth of the word" is NOT from some human king, but rather a Dictate Directly From GOD; the closer designation is the 9:2 "years"; the 9:2 "perceived in the books" are the Psalms; there are TWO ~messiahs~ (small "m"); there are TWO designations of time (a "seven"; and a "sixty-two"), -- not just your "one"; the a/c "shall come" AFTER the seventy; and the time continuum is WITHOUT a ~2,000 year gap.

We understand this is directly from Gabriel. There is ONE Messiah, Jesus who is CUT OFF (Killed) and there is ONE prince that shall come (Little Horn/Anti-Christ).

You "understand" NOTHING Scripture says. There's an "anointed one"/"messiah" (small "m") after the "seven" and a SECOND "anointed one"/"messiah" (small "m") after the "sixty-two". Newton observed, and Scripture Dictates:

We avoid also the doing violence to the language of Daniel, by taking the seven weeks and sixty two weeks for one number. Had that been Daniel’s meaning, he would have said sixty and nine weeks, and not seven weeks and sixty two weeks, a way of numbering used by no nation.

RSV: ... to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. 26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off ...

As such the SEVEN and the SIXTY-TWO are TWO DISTINCT TIME DURATIONS, with the appropriate TWO PARTICIPANTS AT EACH INCREMENT.

DaDad said:
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But other than these inconsistencies, you've got everything correct. -- Perhaps you should have followed the angel's instructions in 12:4 & 9.
As per Daniel 12:4 and 12:9 we are in the END TIMES, thus God is revealing those things which were closed up to the end... in the here and now.

You cite ANCIENT FULFILLMENTS, and then claim "end-time" understanding. As Lawrence Taylor admonished his youth audience in the movie "Waterboy", -- "Don't smoke crack."

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DaDad said:
Rev. 20:4 ... They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.

This "rest of the dead" include ALL who have died since creation. And after the dead arise, then the living are ~raptured~ to the New Jerusalem. To presume (create) otherwise is mistaken.
I can only tell you the facts, I can't make you understand the facts.
Perhaps the problem lies in the fact that I cite Scripture, but you provide YOUR "assurances". And I'd REALLY like to TRUST you, but Scripture says to be VERY CAUTIOUS when dealing with a "hireling".
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That's obvious. -- Walvoord was one of the most esteemed professors at the Dallas Theological Seminary, and wrote the book "Daniel, The Key To Prophetic Revelation". He cited all the great thinkers regarding the Book of Daniel, and come to think of it, he didn't quote ANY of your "blogs". Hmmmmm, I can see why.
It seems he was dead before I ever wrote a blog. I don't worship men, I follow the Holy Spirit. Men are just men, maybe you think some are "more important", but God is no respecter of men. Maybe God is showing us/revealing things unto us in the here and now that He didn't reveal 25-50 years ago. Keep it fresh. Stop looking at men as the be all end all, the Bible/God is my be all end all.

You DON'T GET IT. They're NOT "sevens" in the LITERAL sense. So why do you interpret them as though they were?!? 9:2 says "seventy years", which is the predominant fulfillment.
The 70 Years you are referencing in Dan. 9:2 comes from the book of Jeremiah actually.

Dan. 9:1 In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans; 2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:

So Daniel was reading the book of Jeremiah or Jeremiah's prophesies (Jeremiah 29:1-14) and he understood why Israel/Jews were in captivity in Babylon, and he set his face towards Jerusalem and prayed, fasted etc.etc. So yes, Jeremiah's prophecy was a specific 70 Years, and that is what Daniel is referring to below:

Jerremiah 29:10 For thus saith the Lord, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.

Then from verses 4-19 Daniel proceeded to pray, to ask God for forgiveness for Israel, etc. etc. and then in verse 20-21 suddenly Gabriel APPEARS !! And says I am here to INSTRUCT YOU.

Dan. 9:20 And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the Lord my God for the holy mountain of my God; 21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. 22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding. 23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

Now from my Hebrew Massoretic Bible........

Dan. 9:24 Seventy 7657 weeks 7620 are determined 2852 z8738 upon x5921 thy people 5971 and upon x5921 thy holy 6944 city, 5892 to finish 3607 z8763 the transgression, 6588 and to make an end 2856 y8552 z8687 z8675 z8800 of sins, 2403 and to make reconciliation 3722 z8763 for iniquity, 5771 and to bring in 935 z8687 everlasting 5769 righteousness, 6664 and to seal up 2856 z8800 the vision 2377 and prophecy, 5030 and to anoint 4886 z8800 the most y6944 Holy. 6944

7657 Hebrew Word SHIBIYM = Seventy

7620 Hebrew Word SHABUWA = SEE BELOW....................
1) seven, period of seven (days or years), heptad, week
1a) period of seven days, a week
1a1) Feast of Weeks
1b) heptad, seven (of years)
—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)

Properly passive participle of H7650 as a denominative of H7651; literally sevened, that is, a week(specifically of years):—seven, week.
—Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)

  • #7620.
  • שָׁבוּעַ
  • shabua (988d); from 7651; a period of seven (days, years), heptad, week:—
  • NASB - seven(1), week(4), Weeks(5), weeks(14). U
—NAS Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries

So my reference to Seventy Sevens is CORRECT in the Prophecy Gabriel is giving unto Daniel, the prophecy you cited in VERSE 2, is Jeremiah's Prophecy. Gabriel gave Daniel a NEW PROPHECY !!

A fresh NEW PROPHECY is given to Daniel from Gabriel as concerning Israel's future penance.

Dan. 9:24 Seventy weeks (literally SEVENED or 70 Sevens) are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks,
AND ....threescore and two weeks:
the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

This is how the VERSES should be divided.

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So the Prophecy Gabriel gives unto Daniel is SEVENTY SEVENS (like I said) and not Seventy Years. The Seventy Year prophecy in verse 2 was something Daniel was READING in a book written by Jeremiah !! The Prophecy of the Seventy Sevens starts in verse 24. Do you understand that now sir? Its not the same prophecy. God sent Gabriel to EXPLAIN to Daniel why the punishment was NO LONGER 70 Years but 70 x 7 or SEVENTY SEVENS. You see, Israel did not repent in Babylon, most wanted to stay in Babylon, they served the false gods of Babylon, thus God multiplied there punishment TIMES SEVEN as Leviticus calls for.

So the punishment went from 70 YEARS to......70 SEVENS !! Or 70 x 7. Then Gabriel explains this NEW DECREE unto Daniel in verses 24-27, now go back and read it again with a fresh perspective.

So if we read the passage again, we see that there are THREE PROPHESIES HERE:

1. From the order to rebuild Jerusalem to the Messiah [is killed] shall be 69 weeks (or 69 SEVENS)

2. There will be 7 SEVENS from the order to build Jerusalem until its rebuilt or 49 YEARS.

3. There will be 62 SEVENS from the time Jerusalem is rebuilt until the Messiah Jesus is CUT OFF or Killed, thus 434 YEARS.

4. There is ONE SEVEN left in the Prophecy. It = SEVEN YEARS in the End Times, after Israel has been Dead Men's Bones for nigh 2000 years, God revives them, and then after the Rapture, God requites the Final Seven Years of Israels PUNISHMENT. Thus Israel has to repent during this final Seven Year Period (70th week) or else God is a liar, and God can not lie.

So it is SEVENTY SEVENS just like I stated, not the 70 Years of Jeremiah's prophecy. I pretty much know what I speak of brother. I am not just yaking on about things I don't know.

You might better put more time into bible study my brother.
 
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You "understand" NOTHING Scripture says. There's an "anointed one"/"messiah" (small "m") after the "seven" and a SECOND "anointed one"/"messiah" (small "m") after the "sixty-two". Newton observed, and Scripture Dictates:

We avoid also the doing violence to the language of Daniel, by taking the seven weeks and sixty two weeks for one number. Had that been Daniel’s meaning, he would have said sixty and nine weeks, and not seven weeks and sixty two weeks, a way of numbering used by no nation.
RSV: ... to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. 26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off ...
As such the SEVEN and the SIXTY-TWO are TWO DISTINCT TIME DURATIONS, with the appropriate TWO PARTICIPANTS AT EACH INCREMENT.
Again, I could prove you wrong, but its just a waste of my time in reality. You just don't understand how to read the KJV, its confusing you it seems to me.

There is "NO SEVEN WEEKS until the Anointed one comes", there is 69 weeks until the Messiah is KILLED. Everything else is just you confusing the Scriptures.

You might want to try the Holman version. (HCSB)

Know and understand this:
Dan. 9:25 From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince will be seven weeks and 62 weeks. It will be rebuilt with a plaza and a moat, but in difficult times. 26 After those 62 weeks the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing.

It takes 49 Years to rebuild Jerusalem and the 434 years until Jesus is Sacrificed, then you have to ADD BOTH of them together to get the 62 + 7 Weeks which = 483 Years. Of course then Jesus is CUT OFF, and Israel are seen as Dead Men's Bones by God until 1948. The LAST WEEK of penance (ONE SEVEN) left will start when the Gentile Church is Raptured. Thus the prince to come is the Anti-Christ/Little Horn of the END TIMES !! BELOW:

The people (Rome) of the coming prince (Anti-Christ) will destroy the city and the sanctuary (70 AD). The end will come with a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations are decreed. 27 He (Anti-Christ 200 years later) will make a firm covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and offering. And the abomination of desolation will be on a wing of the temple until the decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.”

So the coming Anti-Christ will make an AGREEMENT with MANY for ONE WEEK or 7 Years.
 
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... There is NO SEVEN WEEKS until the Anointed one comes, ...

RSV: Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks.
  • This is a case where the translators PRESUMED that they KNEW what Scripture was referencing, and re-phrased SCRIPTURE to create THEIR EXPECTATIONS. However the RSV and a few other Versions PROPERLY presented the Original Text.
... there is 69 weeks until the Messiah is KILLED. ..."

Newton: We avoid also the doing violence to the language of Daniel, by taking the seven weeks and sixty two weeks for one number. Had that been Daniel’s meaning, he would have said sixty and nine weeks, and not seven weeks and sixty two weeks, a way of numbering used by no nation.
  • If you have ANY precedent in Scripture, or ANY society in world history where ~ a pair of shoes cost seven dollars plus sixty-two dollars plus tax, PLEASE PROVIDE THAT PRECEDENT. Otherwise, there are TWO time durations and TWO respective ~anointed ones~.
... So the coming Anti-Christ will make an AGREEMENT with MANY for ONE WEEK or 7 Years.

27 ... and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”
  • Thus the destroyer comes AFTER the Seventy "Weeks".

Once again you offer your Personal Assurances, but I provide SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE. -- I'd like to believe YOU, but it seems prudent to believe GOD.

Thanks,
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Daniel 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.
...
Jeremiah 29:10 For thus saith the Lord, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.

The ~years~ are CORRECT.

...
7620 Hebrew Word SHABUWA = SEE BELOW....................
1) seven, period of seven (days or years), heptad, week
1a) period of seven days, a week
1a1) Feast of Weeks
1b) heptad, seven (of years)

Your "shabuwa" is INCORRECT. Per Walvoord, -- Young, Keil, & Kliefoth AGREE that the text is NOT in the "usual" CONCISE Feminine Gender text, BUT RATHER in the unusual INCONCISE Masculine Gender text:

“... as Young points out, the word ‘sevens’ is in the masculine plural instead of the usual feminine plural. No clear explanation is given except that Young feels ‘it was for the deliberate purpose of calling attention to the fact that the word “sevens” is employed in an unusual sense.’”

“...Young finally concludes after some discussion that Keil and Kliefoth are correct when they hold that the word ‘sevens’ does not necessarily mean year-weeks, but an intentionally indefinite designation of a period of time measured by the number seven, which chronological duration must be determined on other grounds.”

John Wolvoord, Daniel, The Key to Prophetic Revelation, Moody Press, Chicago, 1971, p. 217​

You can "believe" and/or "argue" anything thing you want, but neither SCRIPTURE nor history support your views.

Have you considered 12:4 & 9, where the angel asserts that these prophecies have end-time fulfillments, which is to say, the era approximate to 1948? -- And this is only a small portion of evidence against your purported "fulfillment".

Thanks,
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RSV: Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks.
  • This is a case where the translators PRESUMED that they KNEW what Scripture was referencing, and re-phrased SCRIPTURE to create THEIR EXPECTATIONS. However the RSV and a few other Versions PROPERLY presented the Original Text.
That is just a straight up FIB....You go in search for something you think goes with your understanding, instead of the FACTS..........I have he original Hebrew I can look at late on.

Know and understand this:From the issuing of the decree
to restore and rebuild Jerusalem will be seven weeks and 62 weeks.

Now the actual Hebrew.......

w(THEREFORE) 'tëda(KNOW) w(AND)'tas'Kël(UNDERSTAND) min(FROM)-motzä(GOING FORTH) dävär(COMMANDMENT) l'häshiyv(RESTORE AND) w'liv'nôt(REBUILD) y'rûshälaim (JERUSALEM) ad(UNTIL)-mäshiyªch(MESSIAH) nägiyd(COMMANDER/PRINCE) shävuiym(SEVENED) shiv'äh (SEVEN) w(AND) 'shävuiym(SEVENED) shiSHiym(SIXTY) û(AND) sh'nayim(TWO) Täshûv(RETURN) w(AND)'niv'n'täh(BUILD) r'chôv(AVENUE/STREET) w(AND) 'chärûtz(WALL) û(EVEN) v(IN) 'tzôq(TROUBLESOME) häiTiym(TIMES).

So its CLEARLY THERE Brother, you can get any book you want to, but the originl Hebrew has it there. That is why I always settle for the FACTS and the TRUTH, I don't look for something that confirms a point of views. That's a bad habit which leads one down bad paths.


Know 3045 z8799 therefore and understand, 7919 z8686 [that] from x4480 the going forth 4161 of the commandment 1697 to restore 7725 z8687 and to build 1129 z8800 Yærûšälaim יְרוּשָׁלִַם 3389 unto x5704 the Mäšîåç מָשִׁיחַ 4899 the Prince 5057 [shall be] seven 7651 weeks, 7620 and threescore 8346 and two 8147 weeks: 7620 the street 7339 shall be built 1129 z8738 again, 7725 z8799 and the wall, 2742 even in troublous 6695 times. 6256

Newton: We avoid also the doing violence to the language of Daniel, by taking the seven weeks and sixty two weeks for one number. Had that been Daniel’s meaning, he would have said sixty and nine weeks, and not seven weeks and sixty two weeks, a way of numbering used by no nation.
  • If you have ANY precedent in Scripture, or ANY society in world history where ~ a pair of shoes cost seven dollars plus sixty-two dollars plus tax, PLEASE PROVIDE THAT PRECEDENT. Otherwise, there are TWO time durations and TWO respective ~anointed ones~.

Is all you know how to do is COPY & PASTE somebody else understandings ? It can be ONE NUMBER or TWO and the Messiah comes and dies after the FIRST TWO Prophesies are FULFILLED. There could have been 50 years in between the TWO and the Two Prophesies of 49 and 434 could still be fulfilled by the MESSIAH'S DEATH.

I understand Prophecy, you would do well to heed my 30 years of research brother. I could care less about Newton.

27 ... and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”
  • Thus the destroyer comes AFTER the Seventy "Weeks".

Once again you offer your Personal Assurances, but I provide SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE. -- I'd like to believe YOU, but it seems prudent to believe GOD.

You clearly were called to Prophecy brother. The Desolation is when the False Prophet places an IMAGE of the Beast in the Temple of God.

The ~years~ are CORRECT.
The YEARS are about Jeremiah's prophecy, not the prophecy Gabriel gave Daniel. In mt previous post you referred to I never cited Jeremiah's Prophecy, YOU DID. I cited Dan. 9:24-27, the Prophecy Gabriel gave Daniel, when I point that out, yo seem to be speechless. I understand.

Your "shabuwa" is INCORRECT. Per Walvoord, -- Young, Keil, & Kliefoth AGREE that the text is NOT in the "usual" CONCISE Feminine Gender text, BUT RATHER in the unusual INCONCISE Masculine Gender text:

“... as Young points out, the word ‘sevens’ is in the masculine plural instead of the usual feminine plural. No clear explanation is given except that Young feels ‘it was for the deliberate purpose of calling attention to the fact that the word “sevens” is employed in an unusual sense.’”

“...Young finally concludes after some discussion that Keil and Kliefoth are correct when they hold that the word ‘sevens’ does not necessarily mean year-weeks, but an intentionally indefinite designation of a period of time measured by the number seven, which chronological duration must be determined on other grounds.”

John Wolvoord, Daniel, The Key to Prophetic Revelation, Moody Press, Chicago, 1971, p. 217
You can "believe" and/or "argue" anything thing you want, but neither SCRIPTURE nor history support your views.

Have you considered 12:4 & 9, where the angel asserts that these prophecies have end-time fulfillments, which is to say, the era approximate to 1948? -- And this is only a small portion of evidence against your purported "fulfillment".

Well I do my own research brother.

Yes, there is ONE WEEK LEFT, hence they do have End Time fulfillment's brother.

Try to do your own research brother, I used to do it your way, you only learn by digging deep yourself.

God Bless.
 
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I could care less about Newton.

I believe you just summed up EVERYTHING about your "ministry". This statement is from the pit, and it came from you, a person who purportedly professes Christ.

You need to re-think who GOD is.
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I believe you just summed up EVERYTHING about your "ministry". This statement is from the pit, and it came from you, a person who purportedly profess Christ.
That is in reference to his Religious views. am very big into science, the Universe is 13.8 Billion years old, but I don't want to hear his Religious views because he had MANY WEIRD Religious views. If it has happened, I have read about it.

You keep hanging on to other men's idea, I will keep seeking Gods ideas via His Spirit.
 
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That is in reference to his Religious views. am very big into science, the Universe is 13.8 Billion years old, but I don't want to hear his Religious views because he had MANY WEIRD Religious views. If it has happened, I have read about it.
Contradicting yourself in one post. oh , wait, maybe not .....
You keep hanging on to other men's idea, I will keep seeking Gods ideas via His Spirit.
"seeking" and keep seeking ......
GREAT AND WONDERFUL ! There is still time while there is still breath remaining.
 
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... I don't want to hear his Religious views ...

1 Cor 12:21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you,” nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.”
1 Cor. 14:26 What then, brethren? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said.

You didn't allow the fellowship to "speak", and judged without hearing what was "said". You disobey Scripture, and thus disobey GOD , and you call yourself a "minister"? Perhaps it's "hirelings" like you who will lead many into The Great Falling Away.

ANSWER THE CHALLENGE:
If you have ANY precedent in Scripture, or ANY society in world history where ~ a pair of shoes cost seven dollars plus sixty-two dollars plus tax, PLEASE PROVIDE THAT PRECEDENT.

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I can only tell you the facts, I can't make you understand the facts.
Something that is a fact, doesn't make it a truth to understand, and if it is understood 'wrong', then what does it help ?
 
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What happened to "Revealing Times"? We were having a discussion regarding Daniel 9, whereupon he left a "funny" icon feedback, but then completely disappeared. With his "30" years of studying prophecy, I'm quite confident he has a Scholarly response. Perhaps he's "indisposed" ...

ANSWER THE CHALLENGE:
If you have ANY precedent in Scripture, or ANY society in world history where ~ a pair of shoes cost seven dollars plus sixty-two dollars plus tax, PLEASE PROVIDE THAT PRECEDENT.

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If you have ANY precedent in Scripture, or ANY society in world history where ~ a pair of shoes cost seven dollars plus sixty-two dollars plus tax, PLEASE PROVIDE THAT PRECEDENT.
I'm still trying to figure out how Lindseyite maths arrive at 70*7>2000. Must be some kind of trick there. <Laugh>
 
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Revealing Times said:

ANSWER THE CHALLENGE:
If you have ANY precedent in Scripture, or ANY society in world history where ~ a pair of shoes cost seven dollars plus sixty-two dollars plus tax, PLEASE PROVIDE THAT PRECEDENT.

I guess "Revealing Times" isn't interested in REVEALING a precedent for his false translation. Apparently people who are in the "ministry" (i.e., "hirelings") are afraid of the TRUTH of Scripture. -- But I already knew this.

Daniel 9:25 ... from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time. 26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off ...
That makes TWO distinct periods of time; and TWO "anointed ones". Maybe Jesus had an older/younger brother, or possibly a twin, or maybe multiple manifestations as born in the flesh. -- Only a person with ~30 years of "ministry" will ever know.
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I guess "Revealing Times" isn't interested in REVEALING a precedent for his false translation.
Maybe he's awaiting instruction in Lindseyite arithmetic as I am. I know as an engineer an equation like 70*7>2000 could have got me fired unless it was clearly a typo. But your lot seem to simply dote on it. Y'all prattle about a "gap", but that that's a simple confession that the equation was wrong, and somebody, be it the angel, Daniel, the writer of Daniel, or someone else down the line, hosed up the numbers.

Either that, or the numbers were correct and your your equation is wrong. That might explain why Lindseyite predictions based on those numbers are always, as in always, wrong. Two plus two isn't ever gonna equal 43.
 
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I don't care about a statue. It says this

And the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth.” ~Revelation 17:18

It is made clear here without interpretation that it must be a city. In my book I reveal every single Babelic dynasty through the city and its king. New York City itself is the prostitute therefore.

That city is Rome. The woman is the church of Rome.

We are to be the Bride of Christ. When we place another between us, seek Him through them, turn to them for guidance or instruction... we commit adultery. The Harlot and her daughters are the false churches of man.
 
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