THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

bekkilyn · Jul 31, 2018

Pyong Ping said:
Again, why did you divide that way, and who said it was the standard of division and why is that right, by what standard? Where did you get the division from?

Are you intentionally obfuscating the point or do you truly not understand? If you are not keeping ALL of the law (no matter how it is counted or miscounted) then you are not keeping the law, and by your own definition, you are living in disobedience of the law.

When I spoke about there being no Temple because otherwise Mosaic lawkeepers would still be needing to make sacrifices in it, you went on and on about the heavenly temple, which is obviously *not* the temple that Israelites/Jews used for their sacrifices and other temple observances, so again, are you deliberately obfuscating the point or truly not understanding the difference? Just in case you are truly not understanding, Mosaic lawkeepers had to stop making animal sacrifices when their *earthly* temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70AD. Otherwise, it would still be just as much a part of the Mosaic law as any of the many other laws that are still required for someone who believes they must observe the law.

You can't just pick out what part of the law you like if you're going to practice lawkeeping. You need to observe ALL of it, or you have no grounds to stand on by condemning others who also don't observe parts of the law. Your lack of lawkeeping is no better or worse than their lack of lawkeeping.

Fortunately, we can rid ourselves of all that burden by putting our faith in *Jesus Christ* and his free gift of grace rather than our own insignificant and impossible efforts at trying to earn our own salvation. Humans are so prideful that we like to think we can do it all ourselves if we just try hard enough, but such thinking is a *rejection* of Jesus' gift and there is no salvation outside of putting our trust and faith in Jesus and *his* faith.

Eloy Craft · Jul 31, 2018

Pyong Ping said:
Most of the times it is simply a testimony from 2 eye witnesses (Matthew and John), and 2 others (Mark and Luke) corroborating those witnesses about the day in which Jesus was resurrected, which followed the Lord's day being the seventh day the sabbath of the Lord.

Matthew 28:1(a) - οψε δε σαββατων
Matthew 28:1(b) - εις μιαν σαββατων
Mark 16:2 - και λιαν πρωι της μιας σαββατων
Mark 16:9 - αναστας δε πρωι πρωτη σαββατου
Luke 24:1 - τη δε μια των σαββατων
John 20:1 - τη δε μια των σαββατων
John 20:19 - τη μια των σαββατων
Acts 20:7 - εν δε τη μια των σαββατων
1 Corinthians 16:2 - κατα μιαν σαββατων

Matthew 28:1(a,b), Mark 16:2,9, Luke 24:1, John 20:1,19 are all speaking of the same "first [day] of the week" (one/first (day) of/towards/between the sabbath(s))

Acts 20:7 speaks of another moment in the days of Paul, on what is called 'saturday night', not a 'sunday morning'; but rather, the first dark (evening) part of the 'first [day] of the week'. It is recorded because of the special event that took place there, namely Eutychus.

1 Corinthians 16:2 speaks of other days, and is simply instruction to personally (at home) gather a special love offering for those in the dearth in Jerusalem, after the Sabbath was over, on the first [day] of the week', and when Paul came by the city, he would collect it from each person.

The many times that the "Sabbath" of the LORD is given in the Old Testament (Genesis to Malachi)

Genesis 2:1-3;

Exodus 5:4-5,8-9, 16:23-30, 20:8-11, 23:12, 31:12-18, 34:21, 35:1-3

Leviticus 19:3,30, 23:3,11,15-16,38, 24:8, 26:2

Numbers 15:32, 28:9

Deuteronomy 5:12-15

2 Kings 4:23, 11:5,7,9, 16:18

1 Chronicles 9:32, 23:31

2 Chronicles 2:4, 8:13, 23:4,8, 31:3

Nehemiah 9:6,14, 10:31,33, 13:15-22

Psalms 92:1, 146:6

Isaiah 56:2,4,6, 58:13, 66:23

Jeremiah 17:21-27

Ezekiel 20:12-24, 22:8,26, 23:38, 44:24, 46:1,3-4,12

Amos 8:5

The many times that the "Sabbath" of the LORD is given in the New Testament (Matthew to Revelation):

Matthew 12:1,2,5,8,10,11,12, 24:20, 28:1;

Mark 1:21, 2:23,24,27,28, 3:2,4, 6:2, 7:6-9, 15:42, 16:1;

Luke 4:16,31, 6:1,2,5,6,7,9, 13:10,14,15,16, 14:1,3,5, 23:54,56;

John 5:9,10,16,18, 7:22,23, 9:14,16, 19:31;

Acts 1:2, (4:24), 13:14,27,42,44, (14:15), 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4;

Additional references are:

Additional reference is in the Sabbath before Jesus' death, wherein Jesus, the disciples and Lazarus, all were at Lazarus' house, six days before the Passover, the very next day being the Triumphal entry:

John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

See also:

Hebrews 3:11,18, 4:1,3,4,5,8,9,10,11;

Hebrews 4:9; [Greek: sabbatismos, literal sabbath-keeping]

Revelation 1:10 [kuriake hemera, "the Lord's Day" [the 7th Day Sabbath, not "the Day of the Lord", this is totally different in the Greek, which is the greater Sabbath of the Cosmic week], see Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Deuteronomy 5:12:15, Isaiah 58:13, 66:23, Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:27,28; Luke 6:5 ], Revelation 10:6 [see also Exodus 20:11, 31:17; Nehemiah 9:6; Psalms 146:6; Acts 4:24, 14:15, Revelation 14:7]; Revelation 14:7 [see previous], etc

Additionally, further references in the Greek are [every single explicit 'first [day] of the week' text, as each text clearly shows that the first day is simply a number, with no special association or designation, other than it is simply one day toward the culmination of the week, being the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God]:

Matthew 28:1(a) - oye de sabbatwn
Matthew 28:1(b) - eiV mian sabbatwn
Mark 16:2 - kai lian prwi ths mias sabbatwn
Mark 16:9 - anastas de prwi prwth sabbatou
Luke 24:1 - th de mia twn sabbatwn
John 20:1 - th de mia twn sabbatwn
John 20:19 - th mia twn sabbatwn
Acts 20:7 - en de th mia twn sabbatwn
1 Corinthians 16:2 - kata mian sabbatwn

That the Sabbath [of the Lord thy God], [being] the 7th day, is always the culmination of the week in God's Created order and is always referred to as such in all of scripture.

Therefore, every single “first [day] of the week” text upholds the 7th Day Sabbath, and is undeniable evidence of its continued existence and prominence.

Just a day and has no special designation in scripture, other than, 'the first [day] of the week', see previous Koine Greek above.

Just answered it. The better question, is what is the significance of Jesus saying on the 6th day, "It is finished", and finished speaking (he died), as at Creation, being done speaking Creation and was "finished", Genesis 2:1, and entered into His rest, the 7th day the sabbath of the Lord, as at Creation, Genesis 2:1-3.

The scriptures could have left that phrase out and there would be nothing lost huh. We would still know the day Jesus resurrected. No reason to celebrate that day eh? Just wasted words.

bekkilyn · Jul 31, 2018

Eloy Craft said:
The scriptures could have left it out and there would be nothing lost huh. We would still know the day Jesus resurrected. No reason to celebrate that day eh? Just wasted words.

But see if you earn your own salvation by diligently observing the seventh day sabbath, you apparently have no need for Jesus' resurrection and therefore no need or desire to celebrate it. It all handily works out.

Eloy Craft · Jul 31, 2018

The seventh day which was the day Jesus was in the tomb with the dead, is the Lord's rest as it is the fallen?

W2L · Jul 31, 2018

I choose every day alike.

Romans 14:5 One person [c]regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, [d]does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. 7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; 8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

LoveGodsWord · Jul 31, 2018

BNR32FAN said:
What about the rest of the 613 commandments of God? Does each SDA member personally write their own Torah scroll? God commanded it. Have they participated in any good stonings lately? I certainly hope not.

Hi BNR32FAN, nice to see you. I am not sure if you are aware but many of the 613 are from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT written by Moses (not God's LAW 10 Commandments) that were Shadow laws pointing either directly or indirectly to Jesus and God's plan of salvation and are fulfilled in the NEW COVENANT so are only SHADOWS (e.g COL 2).

So obviously we do not follow all of these laws as they are fulfilled in Christ and the NEW COVENANT. God's LAW (10 Commandments) however are God's ETERNAL laws that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is if broken and RIGHTEOUSNESS is if obeyed. God's LAWS are the very standard in the OLD and NEW COVENANTS and of the judgement to come. Where as many (not all) of the MOSAIC laws pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation are SHADOW laws pointing to things to come under the NEW COVENANT so are no longer required (e.g. ceremonial, sacrificial sin offerings, ecclesiastical, Levitical, civil laws).

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BNR32FAN said:
Romans 14 is one good example. We are no longer under the letter of the law but instead we are under the purpose of the law. As long as we do pick a day to honor God we are following the purpose of the Sabbath.

ROMANS 14 is a good example of what? ROMANS 14 is about food and fasting connected to HOLY DAYS and what man esteems (not God). There is no mention in this chapter or all the book of ROMANS of God's 4th Commandment (SEVENTH DAY SABBATH Exodus 20:8-11) which is one of the 10 Commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is if broken (Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4). There is not a single scripture in ROMANS 14 that discusses the Sabbath as there is not one scritpure in the entire bible that says God's 4th commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

BNR32FAN said:
I think it’s great that SDA members to honor the sabbath and I wish that I could do the same but unfortunately in my line of work it is not possible. However I am fortunate to have every Sunday off to rest and worship The Lord.

BNR32FAN, I believe if you put God first and took this to him in prayer he would make a way open for you to follow him so you can keep his 4th Commandment. Have you taken it to God in prayer and asked him to help you?

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word in prayer.

LoveGodsWord · Jul 31, 2018

bekkilyn said:
Conveniently, the labeling system they have devised allows them to toss out any laws they don't like and so that ALL the law doesn't really mean all of it.

Hello bekkilyn,

Can you please explain your comments obove and prove what your saying and make your case from scripture. If you cannot then you are simply making things up because you have no scripture for your position. Happy to discuss God's WORD with you.

LoveGodsWord · Jul 31, 2018

Loren T. said:
If you keep the Jewish Sabbath, but not all the other laws, what good is that? This is an honest question. I don't see how people reconcile obeying some of the law but not all of it. Sabbath, IMO, is now more of a concept, (set time aside to worship and rest), then it is a certain day.

Hello Loren T, sorry I guess the OP has gone off topic quite a bit but welcome here and nice to meet you.

Just a few comments on your post. There is no such thing as a Jewish Sabbath. The Sabbath was made BEFORE mankind at the end of the creation week before ISRAEL and the JEWS existed (Genesis 2:1-3). Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for man (MANKIND; Human beings) not Jews and he is the Lord of it (Mark 2:27-28)

Hope this helps

LoveGodsWord · Jul 31, 2018

Loren T. said:
Do you obey all 613 commandments, or don't you? If not, what benefit is there in obeying one of the laws given in the Torah? If you break one, you have broken all.

I am not sure if you are aware but many of the 613 are from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT written by Moses (not God's LAW 10 Commandments) that were Shadow laws pointing either directly or indirectly to Jesus and God's plan of salvation and are fulfilled in the NEW COVENANT so are only SHADOWS (e.g COL 2).

So obviously we do not follow all of these laws as they are fulfilled in Christ and the NEW COVENANT. God's LAW (10 Commandments) however are God's ETERNAL laws that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is if broken and RIGHTEOUSNESS is if obeyed. God's LAWS are the very standard in the OLD and NEW COVENANTS and of the judgement to come. Where as many (not all) of the MOSAIC laws pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation are SHADOW laws pointing to things to come under the NEW COVENANT so are no longer required (e.g. ceremonial, sacrificial sin offerings, ecclesiastical, Levitical, civil laws).

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In your statement above you quote "If you break one, you have broken all." This is a reference to James 2:8-11. This is talking about God's LAW (10 Commandments) not the MOSAIC shadow laws fulfilled in Christ or pointing to God's plan of salvation which are no longer required (e.g. ceremonial, sacrificial sin offerings, ecclesiastical, Levitical, civil laws).

Hope this helps

LoveGodsWord · Jul 31, 2018

BNR32FAN said:
Let’s pray for them that they will understand.

What is it you think is not understood? Please make your case and let's discuss it with God's WORD? It is good to share God's WORD so that we all can have a closer walk with Jesus.

LoveGodsWord · Jul 31, 2018

bekkilyn said:
The Holy Spirit is true and is our "law".

It is sad you do not believe the Bible is the written Word of God because God's Spirit only words through God's WORD. As we BELIEVE God's WORD it becomes the living word in those who BELIEVE. This is what is means to walk in his Spirit and his Words are Spirit and life.

JOHN 6:63 [63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

MATTHEW 4:4 [4] Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God

There is only life in God's WORD and God's Spirit only works through the Word of God given only to those who BELIEVE God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will judge us all in the last days (John 12:47-48).

God's WORD of truth is the GOSPEL of our salvation in those and those who BELIEVE recieve God's Spirit. Without God's WORD we are lost (Ephesians 1:13).

The written WORD of God is not the words of men but the Word of God to all those who BELIEVE.

1 THESSALONIANS 2:13 [13], For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

LoveGodsWord · Jul 31, 2018

bekkilyn said:
If you believe that following law is going to be what saves you, then you are rejecting Jesus' saving grace.

No one here believes that following law saves anyone. We are only saved by GRACE THROUGH FAITH and not of ourselves, it is a GIFT OF GOD and not of works lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8).

Some however do not know what God's GRACE is for...

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

ROMANS 1:5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

ROMANS 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

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DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

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WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

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WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

REVELATION 12:17 [17], And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

REVELATION 14:12 [12], Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

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WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

REVELATION 22:14 [14], Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

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SIN is the transgression of GOD'S LAW and if anyone CONTINUES in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN; God's WORD says they will DIE and not ENTER THE KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27; 6:4-8; Matthew 7:12-23)

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

LoveGodsWord · Jul 31, 2018

Loren T. said:
Galatians 4:10

Just some scriptures linking both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures and within CHAPTER AND SCRIPTURE CONTEXT that define and connect to the meaning of GALATIONS 4:10 for your consideration.

GALATIANS 4:4-11 [4], But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, [5], To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. [6], And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. [7], Therefore you are no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. [8], But then, when you knew not God, you did service unto them which by nature are no gods. [9], But now, after you have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn you again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? [10], You observe days, and months, and times, and years. [11], I am afraid for you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain.

Key scriptures...

GALATIANS 4:8 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? [10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS. [11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Galatians 4 says nothing about God's 4th Commandment SEVENTH DAY SABBATH (Exodus 20:8-11). Its speaking of those who observe times.

DEUT.18 [9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

The same thing goes on to this very day. Its speaking of the occult. Those who observe certain days by use of horoscopes (ASTROLOGY)?

2 CHRONICLES 33:3 [3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger

Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards. Its speaking of the occult. Not following sabbath days.

LEVITICUS 19:26 [26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, NOR OBSERVE TIMES.[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.[29] Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.[30] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

I guess this scripture says it all. You shall not observe times BUT you will keep my sabbaths.

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Jul 31, 2018

Hello bekkilyn, just a few comments for your consideration below...

bekkilyn said:
If you are not keeping ALL of the law (no matter how it is counted or miscounted) then you are not keeping the law, and by your own definition, you are living in disobedience of the law. When I spoke about there being no Temple because otherwise Mosaic lawkeepers would still be needing to make sacrifices in it, you went on and on about the heavenly temple, which is obviously *not* the temple that Israelites/Jews used for their sacrifices and other temple observances, so again, are you deliberately obfuscating the point or truly not understanding the difference? Just in case you are truly not understanding, Mosaic lawkeepers had to stop making animal sacrifices when their *earthly* temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70AD. Otherwise, it would still be just as much a part of the Mosaic law as any of the many other laws that are still required for someone who believes they must observe the law. You can't just pick out what part of the law you like if you're going to practice lawkeeping. You need to observe ALL of it, or you have no grounds to stand on by condemning others who also don't observe parts of the law. Your lack of lawkeeping is no better or worse than their lack of lawkeeping.

You are making a part reference here to JAMES 2:8-12 which reads...

JAMES 2:8-12 [8], If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well: [9], But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. [10], For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law. [12], So speak you, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

I just wanted to point out here that majority of your post here is not considering CONTEXT as the topic of JAMES 2:8-12 God's LAW (the 10 Commandments and LOVE which summarises them (see MATTHEW 22:36-40 and ROMANS 13:8-10). These scriptures are not talking about the Shadow laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT that were fulfilled and pointed to Jesus as our sacrifice and God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT.

I am not sure if you are aware but many of the 613 are from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT written by Moses (not God's LAW 10 Commandments) were Shadow laws pointing either directly or indirectly to Jesus and God's plan of salvation and are fulfilled in the NEW COVENANT so are only SHADOWS (e.g COL 2).

So obviously we do not follow all of these laws as they are fulfilled in Christ and the NEW COVENANT. God's LAW (10 Commandments) however are God's ETERNAL laws that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is if broken and RIGHTEOUSNESS is if obeyed. God's LAWS are the very standard in the OLD and NEW COVENANTS and of the judgement to come. Where as many (not all) of the MOSAIC laws pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation are SHADOW laws pointing to things to come under the NEW COVENANT so are no longer required (e.g. ceremonial, sacrificial sin offerings, ecclesiastical, Levitical, civil laws).

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

LoveGodsWord · Jul 31, 2018

W2L said:
I choose every day alike.=
Romans 14:5 One person [c]regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, [d]does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. 7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; 8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

Hello W2L, there is not a single scripture in ROMANS 14 that is discussing God's 4th Commandment SEVENTH DAY SABBATH. The chapter is discussing food and fasting connected to HOLY DAYS and days men esteem above others in relation to food and fasting. The chapter does not even mention God's 4th Commandment or does it say that God's Sabbath has been ABOLISHED and we are now free to worship God on any day of the week.

Let's look at the scriptures in some detail...

Where in the chapter or in the whole book of Romans does it even mention God's 4th commandment of the 7th day Sabbath of God's commandment?

If the whole chapter or book of Romans does not even mention God's LAW, the 4th commandment of the 7th day Sabbath of God's LAW why do you think it is talking about God's LAW (10 commandments)?

The simple truth is that the Chapter is not about God's commandment as it is not even mentioned. Let's look at the chapter and see what it is talking about...........

Romans 14
1, Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
The first thing we see here is that this chapter is about relating to a weak brother
2, For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs
3, Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him
4, Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Now to the meat and potatoes…

5, One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6, He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Why is eating and fasting (not eating) connected to days here?

Let’s see…...............

(6), He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

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Isaiah 58
5, Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?

links to.....

Luke 18
11, The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12, I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

From Bullingers Companion Bible…

Luke 18:12 Twice in the week. The law prescribed only one in the year (Lev_16:29. Num_29:7). By the time of Zec_8:19 there were four yearly fasts. In our Lord's day they were bi-weekly (Monday and Thursday), between Passover and Pentecost; and between the Feast of Tabernacles and the Dedication.

Yes they fasted sometimes two days a week and also annually in the feasts of Lev 23.

7, For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
8, For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
9, For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10, But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?
for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11, For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12, So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
13, Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14, I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean <ceremonially profaned, defiled or unholy> of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean<ceremonially profaned, defiled or unholy>, to him it is unclean.

15, But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

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Some points to consider in Romans 14:1-15

1. The chapter is talking about a number of related topics
2. Overall it is talking about not juding those who are weak in the faith in relation to food connected to days or days dedicated to the Lord and that is all it is talking about.
3. Food connected to days in usually in relation to the annual festivals or fasting connected to weekly or Holy days unto the Lord (Lev 16:29. Num 29:7; Issaiah 58:5; Luke 18:11-12).
4. There is no mention of the Sabbath or God's 4th commandment in this chapter or the entire book of Romans.
5. Romans 14 is not talking about ABOLISHING ANY DAYS but only talking about judging others in relation to food or fasting connected to days dedicated to the LORD and food offered to idols.
6. The Chapter is consistant with all the other writing of Paul in relation to the jewish annual holy days fulfilled in Christ (eg, Colossains 2; Ephesians 2; Galatains 4:10; Hebrews 9:9-15; 10:1-17).
7. Paul's topics is summarised in v17; For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

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CONCLUSION: It is very clear from reading the scriptures that this whole Chapter has nothing whatsoever at all to do with the 4th commandment which is to keep Holy the 7th day Sabbath but is talking about judging others in relation to food and fasting connected to holy days; eating and not eating.

Hope this helps

W2L · Jul 31, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
If the whole chapter or book of Romans does not even mention God's LAW, the 4th commandment of the 7th day Sabbath of God's LAW why do you think it is talking about God's LAW (10 commandments)?

I disagree, in the previous chapter (chapter 13) the author of Romans teaches about the ten commandments, then he goes on in chapter 14 to teach about holy days and food restrictions. Its all about the commandments. So i can conclude that Romans 14 refers to the sabbath.

LoveGodsWord · Jul 31, 2018

W2L said:
I disagree, in the previous chapter the author of Romans teaches about the ten commandments, then he goes on in chapter 14 to teach about holy days and food restrictions. Its all about the commandments.

Indeed in ROMANS 13:8-10 PAUL is teaching OBEDIENCE to God's LAW through LOVE in other places Paul teaches..

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Rom 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Rom 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Rom 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Rom 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Rom 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Rom 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Rom 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Rom 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Rom 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Rom 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Rom 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Rom 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Heb 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Heb 10:26-27)

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So it does not really make any sense that Paul is telling people in ROMANS 13 to OBEY God's LAW through LOVE and then in ROMANS 14 it is ok now to break God's LAW when PAUL was keeping the SABBATH now does it? No where in Romans 14 is the Sabbath even mentioned.

Hope this helps.

W2L · Jul 31, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.

This Sabbath is not the same that is observed on saturday, nor sunday. Its clear after reading it that it refers to another day altogether, i.e. today.

LoveGodsWord · Jul 31, 2018

W2L said:
This Sabbath is not the same that is observed on saturday, nor sunday. Its clear after reading it that it refers to another day altogether, i.e. today.

Well that is not true let's look at the scriptures in detail...

GOD’S SABBATH REST HEBREWS

HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4. These chapters also link very nicely into PSLAMS 95 if you have some time to read it but we will not touch on PSALMS 95 in this post.

For this post let's look at HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4 and within Chapter and Scripture context highlighting what the scriptures are saying...

Hebrews 3
8, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9, When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10, Why I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11, So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
12, Take heed, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13, But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14, For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end;
15, While it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16, For some, when they had heard, did provoke: however, not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17, But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness?
18, And to whom swore he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19, So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

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KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 3

v8-10 God's people in the winderness erred and hardened their hearts not knowing God's ways
v11 Because they hardened their hearts not knowing God's way God was angry and did not let them enter HIS REST
v13 Hardness of heart comes from the deceitfulness of SIN (breaking God's LAW)
v19 God's people did not enter into God's REST because of UNBELIEF

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WHAT IS HIS (God's) REST IN HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4?

Hebrews 4
1, Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2, For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3, For we which have believed do enter into REST, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4, For he spoke in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did REST the SEVENTH DAY from all his works.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into my REST.

God's REST is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5). Those who BELIEVE GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD does on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. This is a direct reference to GENESIS 2:1-3 to God's REST on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week (please GENESIS 2:1-3)

6, Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7, Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8, For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9, There remains a SABBATH REST to the people of God.
10, For he that is entered into his REST (SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11, Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

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KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4

v1-5 God's promised rest is from BELIEVING the GOSPEL (Word of God) and links directly to God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST from creation in GENESIS 2:1-3
v6 None enter into God's REST without BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD
v6-7 (see Heb 3:13) If we harden out heart by SIN and UNBELIEF we cannot enter God's REST through the Gospel
v-7-8 The true rest of the Gospel of Christ is the other rest spoken of another day in David (Psalms 95)
v9 God's people (those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD) have HIS SABBATH REST (God's REST) Sabbatismos; "There remains a Sabbath rest to the people of God."

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CONCLUSION: Hebrews 3 and HEBREWS 4 is saying ONLY those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD enter into the Gospel rest and only those who enter the Gospel rest enter into God's 4th commandment's SABBATH REST

HEBREWS 4:1-3, [1] Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. [2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. [3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

The issue with Hebrews 3 and 4 is that those who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD DO NOT enter God's REST (both Gospel and Sabbath).

Hope this helps

W2L · Jul 31, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Well that is not true let's look at the scriptures in detail...

GOD’S SABBATH REST HEBREWS

HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4. These chapters also link very nicely into PSLAMS 95 if you have some time to read it but we will not touch on PSALMS 95 in this post.

For this post let's look at HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4 and within Chapter and Scripture context highlighting what the scriptures are saying...

Hebrews 3
8, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9, When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10, Why I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11, So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
12, Take heed, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13, But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14, For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end;
15, While it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16, For some, when they had heard, did provoke: however, not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17, But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness?
18, And to whom swore he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19, So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

..............

KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 3

v8-10 God's people in the winderness erred and hardened their hearts not knowing God's ways
v11 Because they hardened their hearts not knowing God's way God was angry and did not let them enter HIS REST
v13 Hardness of heart comes from the deceitfulness of SIN (breaking God's LAW)
v19 God's people did not enter into God's REST because of UNBELIEF

..............

WHAT IS HIS (God's) REST IN HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4?

Hebrews 4
1, Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2, For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3, For we which have believed do enter into REST, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4, For he spoke in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did REST the SEVENTH DAY from all his works.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into my REST.

God's REST is the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5). Those who BELIEVE GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD does on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. This is a direct reference to GENESIS 2:1-3 to God's REST on the SEVENTH DAY of the creation week (please GENESIS 2:1-3)

6, Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7, Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8, For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9, There remains a SABBATH REST to the people of God.
10, For he that is entered into his REST (SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11, Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

..............

KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4

v1-5 God's promised rest is from BELIEVING the GOSPEL (Word of God) and links directly to God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST from creation in GENESIS 2:1-3
v6 None enter into God's REST without BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD
v6-7 (see Heb 3:13) If we harden out heart by SIN and UNBELIEF we cannot enter God's REST through the Gospel
v-7-8 The true rest of the Gospel of Christ is the other rest spoken of another day in David (Psalms 95)
v9 God's people (those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD) have HIS SABBATH REST (God's REST) Sabbatismos; "There remains a Sabbath rest to the people of God."

..............

CONCLUSION: Hebrews 3 and HEBREWS 4 is saying ONLY those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD enter into the Gospel rest and only those who enter the Gospel rest enter into God's 4th commandment's SABBATH REST

HEBREWS 4:1-3, [1] Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. [2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. [3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

The issue with Hebrews 3 and 4 is that those who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD DO NOT enter God's REST (both Gospel and Sabbath).

I have entered the Lords rest. The Lord is my shepherd, my teacher, my comforter.

Praise the Lord, my hope. I see no reason to observe any holy days at all. I believe sabbath rest is found in Jesus not a calendar, and until someone can prove otherwise i'll keep believing that.

THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

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