Babylon, The Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast Explained

Douggg · Dec 11, 2016

Hallstone said:
Its interesting how it says that he (the beast) is the eighth head, and is of the seven (or seventh, depending on the interpretation), and as far as I can understand it, there is only one way that a seven headed beast can have eight heads, and that is one of the heads is used twice. Only in this way could you have seven kings, and eight heads.

There are only seven heads. Which are seven kings. The only way for the beast to become the eighth king is to have either been one of the previous seven, or possess one of the previous seven. Either way, as you say, one of the heads is used twice.

It is king seven, because when he comes, he must continue a sort space, it says.

Revealing Times · Dec 11, 2016

John Hyperspace said:
The harlot is worldly Christianity, as opposed to the 144,000 who are spiritual Christianity. The entire world is deceived by the teachings of worldly Christianity into corrupt understanding of the Word of God. Spiritual Christianity destroys worldly Christianity at the appointed time by revealing the pure unworldly understanding of the Word of God. This is why we see heaven opened and the Word of God slaying all flesh (which flesh is a symbol of corrupt worldly understanding).

The harlot is Christianity as taught by the false teachers, the tares; which deceives the world, and fornicates the spiritual understanding with the carnal understanding. Worldly Christianity is Babylon the Great who awaits the coming of her king on Tevet 10.

If you read the OP you will see my thoughts/revelation on this. Thanks for the reply.

Revealing Times · Dec 11, 2016

Douggg said:
no, I am not off at all. You misread and misunderstand what I wrote, as well as the scriptures. "the" messiah, is one and only one special person to become the King of Israel, Son of David, sent by and chosen by God. It is not an office like the president of the United States, or head of the U.N.

Israel does not "anoint" anyone. The first four kings of Israel, beginning with Saul, then David, then Solomon were anointed by prophets. Saul and David, by Samuel. Solomon, by Nathan. There have only been those three kings over united Israel.

It is likely that the false prophet of Revelation 13 will anoint the Antichrist.

The rider on the white in Revelation 7 is given a crown. That crown is that he will become the King of Israel, illegitimate. Being the rider on the white horse is the only time the person is pictured as the Antichrist in Revelation. The other places the person is found in Revelation is as the beast after his stint as the Antichrist is over.

The person first becomes the little horn; then becomes the prince who shall come; then becomes the Antichrist; then becomes the revealed man of sin; then becomes the beast. There is no alternative interpretation.

The White Horse is in Revelation chapter 6, and the "Crown" is not really a crown, if you look at the Root word used here it is far different than the Root word used in Revelation CHAPTER 19.

The Greek word used for "crown" in Rev. 6:2 is stephanos (4735) meaning to twine or a wreath given in honor of a victory, so if we read the Holy Word as WRITTEN and not trust the translation to be perfect just because it is the KJV, then we can understand the difference. All we have to do now is go to Rev. 19 and see what kind of Crown Jesus has.

Rev. 19:12 the word used for "Crown" is diadema and it says on his head were MANY CROWNS....Diadema (1238-the kingly ornament for the head, the crown).......So we see one is a WREATH or TWINE given as an honor for a victory, signifying CONQUEST, which is what the Anti-Christ does, and the other is signifying the CROWN OF A TRUE KING or a Kingly Crown. So Christ is a TRUE KING and the Anti-Christ s just a CONQUEROR.

Douggg said:
Daniel 9:27 says confirms the covenant for seven years in the text - not forces a security peace deal with Israel for 7years. It is not me who is fabricating. "the" covenant is the Mt. Sinai covenant and is the covenant referred to by Daniel as he was praying to God. The for 7 years is the cycle for confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant right in the text of Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

Now look up the Hebrew word for CONFIRM in Daniel 9:27 !!... Look it up !! quit trusting the KJV, the biggest mistake we make, the ORIGINAL is the BEST VERSION !! The Hebrew Version.

1.) Confirm = gabar 1396 (Hebrew Word) meaning to be strong, to prevail or to act insolently. When you add up being STRONG, PREVAILING and Acting INSOLENTLY what do you come up with ? Someone who strong-armed the situation, and did it in an ARROGANT WAY. And I am looking at what the Anti-Christ is like in Daniel chapter 8, I put it all together like a Mosaic.

Daniel 8:25 And through his policy (7922 sekel-Intelligence/Success) also he shall cause craft (4820 Mirmah-Deception/Fraud) to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace (7962 Shalvah-SECURITY) shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Now what does the Holy Word say ? He destroys by FAKE (Deception) SECURITY !! It is right their in the Bible, if we quit trusting FULLY in ONE TRANSLATION !! No translations are perfect. I like the KJV best myself, but I trust no translation 100 percent. WHY SHOULD ANYONE ?

So by his cunning and intelligence he DECEIVES people via FRAUD he magnifies himself and decides to control ALL THINGS and ALL PEOPLES so after he gains their confidence through LIES/FRAUD he uses the trust they placed in his PROTECTION/SECURITY and destroys many people.

I do not imagine anything brother, I study hard and pray a lot for understanding.

Revealing Times · Dec 11, 2016

Douggg said:
The translators of the KJV have already translated the Greek.

But you have decided to do you own translating, I guess.

The bible doesn't say anything about seven different beasts. It is one beast with 7 heads John did not see seven (different) beasts each with it own head.

And each one is a Beast, we know this via Rev. 13, where the Lion, Bear and Leopard was a PART OF THE Seven Headed Beast. This not even in doubt.

And the KJV is not the ONLY TRANSLATION, we have many translations, and I trust NONE OF THEM FULLY. I look at all, then I use the actual Greek and Hebrew words and go see for myself what they mean.

Douggg said:
You wrote: "The Lion, Bear, and Leopard are a part of this Seven Headed Beast,"

What part? The beast's body, his feet, his mouth - but none of his heads. None of heads represent the lion, bear, leopard kingdoms.

If you can't get this clue then I can't help you. This is just not that hard to figure out imho, especially after God has revealed this in these end times. I laid down all of my other opinions. My job is not to be right or wrong but to be receptive to the Holy Spirit.

That is what I have done, this is what God has given me, so I will never go against what God has shown me.

God Bless.

Douggg · Dec 11, 2016

Revealing Times said:
And each one is a Beast, we know this via Rev. 13, where the Lion, Bear and Leopard was a PART OF THE Seven Headed Beast. This not even in doubt.

The beast:
head
head
head
head
head
head
head
feet - like a bear - medes persians empire
mouth - like a lion - babylonian empire
body - like a leopard - greek empire

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Hallstone · Dec 11, 2016

Revealing Times said:
Well we have a Seven Headed Beast, the body of the Seven Heads make up the 8th, but there is no 8th as per conquering Israel, what this signifies, imho, is that all Seven of the Beasts that Conquer Israel are a part of the Satanic plan to conquer Israel, they are all one and OF SATAN so to speak if you get my point. In other words the 8th King (Satan) was of the Seven meaning he was a party to every one of these Beasts in that he influenced them. Only Satan a Demon could be of all Seven, we know it couldn't be a man, so we must assume this 8th King that is of all Seven is a Demonic being. Satan or Apollyon.

I think we only have Seven Heads with 8 Kings. Meaning Satan is the ultimate King of all Seven Heads.

God Bless

Interesting interpretation, there is also another, briefly: The seventh king has not come yet, when he comes he will remain only a little while, Satan brings one of the first five emperors out of hell, brings him up out of the abyss and installs him in the seventh thus creating the "abomination", using the opportunity of the seventh receiving the fatal wound and coming back to life, Satan will successfully create a human transmutation of a dead emperor to be his Christ, being dead and raised again, thus he was and is not and will come. he comes back alive as the eight and is worshipped by everyone.

Hallstone · Dec 11, 2016

Douggg said:
There are only seven heads. Which are seven kings. The only way for the beast to become the eighth king is to have either been one of the previous seven, or possess one of the previous seven. Either way, as you say, one of the heads is used twice.

It is king seven, because when he comes, he must continue a sort space, it says.

Yes, it is interesting, because it says the eight comes up out of the abyss, and becomes the emperor of the end, whether it actually says that he is of the seven, or of the seventh is debatable, I think it may be seventh because those same words are translated "seventh" else where, so we could be seeing a direct reference to a human transmutation, sort of a switcheroo that happens to the seventh that creates the eighth. For it to say that he is of the seven would be redundant because we already know that because it says that he 'was', so we know that he was one of the first five emperors already.

Revealing Times · Dec 12, 2016

Hallstone said:
Interesting interpretation, there is also another, briefly: The seventh king has not come yet, when he comes he will remain only a little while, Satan brings one of the first five emperors out of hell, brings him up out of the abyss and installs him in the seventh thus creating the "abomination", using the opportunity of the seventh receiving the fatal wound and coming back to life, Satan will successfully create a human transmutation of a dead emperor to be his Christ, being dead and raised again, thus he was and is not and will come. he comes back alive as the eight and is worshipped by everyone.

It will not be a human. Notice I spoke of Apollyon ? Apollyon (meaning Destroyer) is loosed out of the bottomless pit in Rev. chapter 9. My thinking is this Demon was locked in the pit on purpose until a certain time, and he could have been the Demonic ruler (By Satan's orders of course) over all the Beasts (Babylon, Greece Rome Etc.), hence the name Destroyer. So he was in PERDITION, and was loosed, so he was, then WAS NOT (was in the pit) Yet is (Released from the pot in Rev. 9).

So the Beast was, IS NOT, Yet is.

Apollyon was ruling, he was placed in the bottomless pit, and then released.......I think this is the logical meaning of all of this. Yet I do not find it that important. Satan is ultimately in control, even of Apollyon. The Beast that will conquer Israel is a Man. This other "Beast" or 8th King is just the Demon that has enticed and seduced these men to do his will.

Revealing Times · Dec 12, 2016

Douggg said:
The beast:
head
head
head
head
head
head
head
feet - like a bear - medes persians empire
mouth - like a lion - babylonian empire
body - like a leopard - greek empire

.

Each Beast had a different body. The Seven Headed Beast can not have Seven Bodies, thus Jesus let us know that these Beasts of Daniel were a part of this Seven Headed Beast by including them. I do not get the lack of understanding here, this is simple. Beasts Conquer Israel. WE KNOW VIA HISTORY WHO THEY ARE.....

All the Bodies were co-mingled, the Heads were each different.

victorinus · Dec 12, 2016

John Hyperspace said:
This one: 2 Corinthians 11:2-4 He is the Jesus of the worldly Christians, who receive the spirit of the world: 1 Corinthians 2:12 and became the servants of corruption: 2 Peter 2:19 who have deceived the world by the teaching of a worldly Word of God: 2 Peter 2:12 (notice "as natural brute beasts" which is why we are seeing this "beast" in the Revelation) but they are burned up by the fire which proceeds from the mouths of the two witnesses (the spiritual teachers who teach the Word of God uncorrupted by the worldly understanding): Revelation 11:5, Jeremiah 5:14: they are the saviours who judge the mountains: Obadiah 1:18, Obadiah 1:21, Revelation 14:1, Revelation 11:15: and having the worldly understanding destroyed by the Word of God; the creation is liberated from the corruption of the worldy Christian teachings: 2 Corinthians 2:17, Romans 8:21

there is only one Jesus
-and-
He is easy to find

victorinus · Dec 12, 2016

Douggg said:
Have you never heard - All roads lead to Rome?

yes but that doesn't mean trade
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have you heard that constantine moved the capital of the roman empire?

Paul uk · Dec 12, 2016

Babylon and the harlot speak to me about the lies, greed, exploitation and materialism I see in the world - a kind of captivity. I like to keep things simple, which means I'm probably wrong.

Douggg · Dec 12, 2016

Hallstone said:
Yes, it is interesting, because it says the eight comes up out of the abyss, and becomes the emperor of the end, whether it actually says that he is of the seven, or of the seventh is debatable, I think it may be seventh because those same words are translated "seventh" else where, so we could be seeing a direct reference to a human transmutation, sort of a switcheroo that happens to the seventh that creates the eighth. For it to say that he is of the seven would be redundant because we already know that because it says that he 'was', so we know that he was one of the first five emperors already.

The KJV says "of the seven".

In Revelation 17, there are no crowns on the heads. The sixth king was ruling at the time. Six kings accounted for. Since there is no mortally wounded head in the Revelation 17 description and the six kings accounted for - that leaves only king 7.... as the end times king.

In Revelation 12, which is the 70th week relevant to Israel, the heads have crowns - indicating that king seven has come to power and the prophecy of the seven kings complete.

In Revelation 13, which is the second half of the 70th week, the heads have no crowns - indicating that the seven kings prophecy is over, with one head being mortally wounded and come back to life - king 7 will be killed, and when he comes back to life (to continue a short space of the 42 months) it is as the eighth king - but the beast in the bottomless pit has to be factored in

And the only way that can be done is if the beast ascends out of the bottomless pit to possess the killed and brought back to life king 7. The beast is the eighth king (and of the 7) only by possession.

Revealing Times · Dec 12, 2016

Paul uk said:
Babylon and the harlot speak to me about the lies, greed, exploitation and materialism I see in the world - a kind of captivity. I like to keep things simple, which means I'm probably wrong.

Welcome to the board my UK Friend. You are not off in what you say, however once I understood John encoded the book of Revelation with the Old Testament it started jumping off the pages for me. Out of 404 verses 289 are laced with Old Testament verbiage.

This preacher preached this one day and I started studying in this manner, looking to see if he was correct, the first thing I studied was Rev. 12, the Woman, the Baby/Man-Child and the Dragon. Many people said the Woman was the Church, some said Israel, so I used his technique.

The Woman was clothed in the Sun, Moon and 12 stars. Now we go to Genesis 37 and Daniel dreamed a dream that the Sun, Moon and 11 Stars would pay obeisance unto him. HENCE....the Woman is the Sun (Jacob) moon (Rachel) and his 11 Brothers. OR ISRAEL.

It is true, the Revelation is encoded with the Old Testament, and we just have to put it together. WE MUST DECODE IT.

Welcome, God Bless.

Revealing Times · Dec 12, 2016

Hallstone said:
Yes, it is interesting, because it says the eight comes up out of the abyss, and becomes the emperor of the end, whether it actually says that he is of the seven, or of the seventh is debatable, I think it may be seventh because those same words are translated "seventh" else where, so we could be seeing a direct reference to a human transmutation, sort of a switcheroo that happens to the seventh that creates the eighth. For it to say that he is of the seven would be redundant because we already know that because it says that he 'was', so we know that he was one of the first five emperors already.

You are correct in a sense, the word used for SEVEN is used ONE TIME for Seventh on Matthew 22:26 the Greek word used is heptah G2033.

But it is not of the Seventh it is of the Seven, I think that is made obvious by the language in the few verses. He WAS, Was NOT, yet IS, seeming to say this Beast was Before in control, and now Again is in control.

Hallstone · Dec 12, 2016

Douggg said:
The KJV says "of the seven".

In Revelation 17, there are no crowns on the heads. The sixth king was ruling at the time. Six kings accounted for. Since there is no mortally wounded head in the Revelation 17 description and the six kings accounted for - that leaves only king 7.... as the end times king.

In Revelation 12, which is the 70th week relevant to Israel, the heads have crowns - indicating that king seven has come to power and the prophecy of the seven kings complete.

In Revelation 13, which is the second half of the 70th week, the heads have no crowns - indicating that the seven kings prophecy is over, with one head being mortally wounded and come back to life - king 7 will be killed, and when he comes back to life (to continue a short space of the 42 months) it is as the eighth king - but the beast in the bottomless pit has to be factored in

And the only way that can be done is if the beast ascends out of the bottomless pit to possess the killed and brought back to life king 7. The beast is the eighth king (and of the 7) only by possession.

The exact same Greek words and tense are used in Matt. 22:26 and are translated "seventh", its like us saying in English "Number Seven", I think the reason why the Translator did not make this connection is because the context would not have made sense, it would not have made sense for another almost 2000 years, with todays technology, and medical science coupled with Satanic power could make a human transmutation possible, thus "the Abomination that causes desolation", he is called an Abomination because of what he is, in this light you could see the scripture read: he is the eight, and is of the seventh, or "Number Seven". That is how you could have a seven headed beast have eight heads, the body of the seventh is used twice, as soon as the seventh becomes the emperor of the revived empire Satan hijacks it with a transmutation.

Hallstone · Dec 12, 2016

Revealing Times said:
You are correct in a sense, the word used for SEVEN is used ONE TIME for Seventh on Matthew 22:26 the Greek word used is heptah G2033.

But it is not of the Seventh it is of the Seven, I think that is made obvious by the language in the few verses. He WAS, Was NOT, yet IS, seeming to say this Beast was Before in control, and now Again is in control.

It could be that the seven heads/kings refer to Roman Emperors, the first five being Augustus, Tiberius, Claudius, Caligula, Nero, and then the sixth or "is" being Vespasian (he was the one that was in control of the legions and Jerusalem) and then Jerusalem was destroyed, so the seventh has not appeared and will not until the Empire is revived in a sense "iron mixed with clay" and the Temple is rebuilt, then the seventh is revealed, and then changed into the Eighth.

Straightshot · Dec 12, 2016

My comment

7 kingdoms, each with the human king "position" of the kingdom .... 5 fallen, and 2 coming .... some of the 5 kingdoms have had more than just one human king .... the next 2 will have one human king ruling over the 6th and the 7th kingdom

There will be no revived Roman Empire as many think

And a temple will not be rebuilt either before or during the coming tribulation period

Satan's beast rules over all 7 Middle Eastern kingdoms

This beast was sent to the abyss after his 5th kingdom fell and is still there as we speak

Not active during Rome's rule or any subsequent rulers of the Middle East to this very day .... there have been several

This beast will be released to rule again over his next 2 kingdoms at the end of this present age

And when he has fully possessed the human ruler [the little horn of Daniel's visions], he will become the 8th king ruling over his 7th and final kingdom

Revealing Times · Dec 12, 2016

Straightshot said:
7 kingdoms, each with the human king "position" of the kingdom .... 5 fallen, and 2 coming .... some of the 5 kingdoms have had more than just one human king .... the next 2 will have one human king ruling over the 6th and the 7th kingdom

This is true, the Kingdoms had many Kings, except the Last Coming Kingdom which will have ONE MAN who rules for a SHORT TIME. There will not be two Kings in the Future, John/Jesus said that one WAS which meant Rome was the 6th and was currently ruling. There will be a Seventh King who is the Anti-Christ via the Fourth Beasts Footprint, but there is also an 8th King, a Demon entity that has been over all Seven of the Kingdoms. So we get 8 Kings and 7 Beasts.

Straightshot said:
There will be no revived Roman Empire as many think

Disagree, there will be no coming Muslim Empire, they will be conquered or subjugated, then the False Prophet, Beast and Satan entices them (Kings of the East) to come against Israel at the end.

Straightshot said:
And a temple will not be rebuilt either before or during the coming tribulation period

It will be rebuilt, scriptures throughout the bible clearly shows this to be the case. It will happen very soon.

Straightshot said:
over

The Seventh Beast or the Anti-Christ and 10 Kings arise out of Europe. The Anti-Christ is born in Greece.

Straightshot · Dec 12, 2016

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