Is P. M. Mark Carney helping or harming Palestinians by his promise?

[PatrickTate]

Could it be that Prime Minister Mark Carney may do the cause of the Palestinians more harm than good with his promise for September?

Is he going against the President Trump plans to bring Shalom to the Middle East?

I guess he deserves credit for "political courage" but I believe that he and his team do not understand how best to stop Palestinians from being used as Sacrificial Pawns by Russia in a global chess game that has been going on for decades.

To a degree I do believe that P. M. Mark Carney is attempting to prove to the world that he is a better political leader than President Donald J. Trump is.

Statement by Prime Minister Carney on Canada’s recognition of a Palestinian state

For decades, it was hoped that this outcome would be achieved as part of a peace process built around a negotiated settlement between the Israeli government and the Palestinian Authority.

www.pm.gc.ca

In my opinion P. M. Mark Carney could be going along with a plan that began in Russia back in 1972?

Unconverted Russia and its influence on the Mideast

Osama bin Laden's deputy issued a worldwide call today for Muslims to rise up in holy war against Israel and join the fighting in Lebanon and Gaza, until Islam reigns from "Spain to Iraq". Ayman al-Zawahiri warned that al-Qaida would not stand "idly by, humiliated", as Israeli "shells burn our...

www.tldm.org

• 1970 - Yasser Arafat, the father of modern terrorism:
  
  
  In 1970 the Kremlin became interested in an obscure Arab construction engineer and collector of racecars, named Rahman al-Qudwa. Evidence shows, contrary to later claims, that this "construction engineer" was an Egyptian, born in Cairo during the summer of 1929. Rahman graduated from the University of Cairo and served as an officer in the Egyptian Army during the 1956 Suez campaign. Later he set up a business in Kuwait and made a fortune. He then entered politics, founding a hopelessly small terrorist organization.... According to the former head of Romanian intelligence, Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, one of the highest ranking communist defectors of all time, Rahman al-Qudwa became an important political ally of the communist bloc following the death of Egypt's president, Gamal Abdul Nasser, in 1970. Gen. Pacepa's account of Rahman's intimate relations with the communist bloc is related in a book entitled "Red Horizons."... Rahman al-Qudwa is better known as Yasser Arafat, the chairman of the PLO since 1968 and the president of the Palestinian Authority -- which is now at war with Israel. According to Gen. Pacepa's account, communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu ordered his people to bring Arafat over to Romania. In late 1970 the chief of Romanian intelligence in Egypt, Gen. Constantine Munteanu, arrived in Bucharest with Arafat in tow. Munteanu had gathered an extensive file on Arafat, which characterized the PLO leader as "so much cleverness, blood, and filth all together in one man." Pacepa says that this was Munteanu's "standard definition of Arafat."
  Given Gen. Munteanu's extensive file, Arafat could not exactly refuse the communist's "friendly" overtures. There is little question that Arafat is fanatically devoted to destroying Israel, and would sell his soul to the devil to gain his devilish ends. Therefore, a compact between Arafat and the Soviet Union via communist Romania was not something that violated any sacred Islamic rule in Arafat's heart. Arafat is no Moslem. His fanaticism is completely secular. But since he operates within the Islamic world, he must sometimes appear as a would-be Muslim liberator. (“Kremlin puppets and how they work,” J.R. Nyquist, October 19, 2000) (read also Our Lady of the Roses prophecy about one who would come out of Egypt...)
• 1972 - According to Ion Mihai Pacepa, “In 1972, the Kremlin decided to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the U.S. As KGB chairman Yury Andropov … [said], a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon … against Israel and its main supporter, the United States.”
• 1973 - Soviet statements and preparations for an attack against Israel led the Pentagon to order U.S. nuclear forces to the highest state of peacetime readiness. The Joint Chiefs of Staff ordered the 82nd Airborne Division to prepare to head to the Middle East, and additional U.S. naval forces -- including American aircraft carriers -- moved into the Mediterranean, all out of a real and rising concern that the Soviets were about to make an unprecedented military move against Israel.
• 1982 - Israeli forces battling PLO terrorists in southern Lebanon unexpectedly uncovered a secret but massive cache of Soviet weaponry in deep underground cellars and tunnels. The storehouses contained some 4,000 tons of ammunition, 144 armored vehicles and tanks, 12,500 pieces of small arms, and 515 heavy weapons. Then-Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin said that the Russians had prepositioned enough weapons to "equip not five brigades, but five or six [Soviet] divisions," adding that "we shall need literally thousands of trucks to evacuate these weapons from Lebanon."
• June, 1982 - Russia organizes international terrorist conference: In June of 1982, two hundred forty organizations of eighty countries met in Tripoli for the International Conference of the World Center Resistance to Imperialism, Zionism, Racism, Reaction, and Fascism. The meeting was organized by the Soviet Union and Colonel Qaddafi and resulted in the forming of a committee ultimately consisting of Libya, Cuba, Iran, Syria, and North Korea. Their goal was the establishment of international terrorist training programs to prepare their revolutionaries for the battle against the oppressors, primarily the United States. Professional military personnel were recruited, including experts in all types of modern combat and sabotage, many of them trained in the Soviet Union. the faculty at Manzareih included translators, commandos from North Korea, security experts from Syria, veteran Palestinian terrorists, advisers from Libya, KGB officers fluent in Farsi (the Iranian language), and radical experts from movements all over the world. By 1985 there we as many as eighteen functioning training facilities in Iran training thousands of terrorists. There were special camps for women and suicide fighters as well as the general three-to-six month training sessions for regular recruits. The Iranians even turned airports into academies.... With camps established all over the Middle East and Castro's Cuba clearly destined to be the training capital of the Western hemisphere, the international terrorist machine was in motion. (John Pynchon Holms, Terrorism: Today's Biggest Threat to Freedom, pp. 164-165)
• 1986 - Stockholm International Peace Research Institute report: Russia had clandestine strategic reserve of several thousand nuclear weapons, as large as Russia's declared force

 

[Desk trauma]

To a degree I do believe that P. M. Mark Carney is attempting to prove to the world that he is a better political leader than President Donald J. Trump is.

That bar is subterranean.

 

[lismore]

Could it be that Prime Minister Mark Carney may do the cause of the Palestinians more harm than good with his promise for September?

He's trying to get the Muslim vote, as Keir Starmer is, with empty virtue signalling. Palestinians hate Israel, the West, Democracy and the like. 'Queers for Palestine' put up a sign at one of the first anti-Israel protests at Trafalgar square and had to run for their lives, the misguided activists believed they had solidarity with fundamentalist Islam. God Bless

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Benjamin Netanyahu's diplomacy is often one-sided and provocative, which alienates those who disagree with his policies. While I agree Hamas should not govern Gaza, there are more diplomatic ways to communicate this. Unfortunately, Netanyahu tends to be inflexible and lacks a softer approach.

As a result, Israel is losing many of its traditional Western allies—countries that have supported Israel for nearly 80 years. While Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu aims to achieve objectives in Gaza, it is also important for Israel to maintain relationships with these Western allies, as they are significant for the country's future development.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Ultimately, I don't know how much impact it'll have one way or the other.

Countries that weren't funding the conflict to begin with, taking the side of the Palestinians, doesn't really move the needle.

It would need to be countries that were providing Israel with large amounts of money (or engaging in high levels of international trade with them) changing their tune in order to reign in the overreaches from the Israeli government.

Canada's existing aid funding to that part of the world was almost exclusively going to Gaza Aid NGOs and the UNRWA, so in essence, they've already been treating the Palestinians as if they were an officially recognized state ally. (from what I'm reading, Canada hasn't issued any new licenses for arms exports to Israel since the early 90's)

And when you look at the import/export numbers:

• In 2024, Canada exported about US$332 million worth of goods to Israel.
• In 2024, Canada imported about US$908.5 million worth of goods from Israel.

They're not really a huge trading partner with Israel...

To put it in perspective:
Cuba is presently Canada's second largest export market in the Caribbean/Central American region;[42] with bilateral trade between the two countries averaging approximately C$1 billion annually.



As of 2024, the top 15 importers of Israeli goods were:

Rank	Country	Export Value (US$ Billion)	Share of Total Exports (%)
1	United States	20.3	25.6%
2	China	7.09	8.7%
3	Ireland	4.22	5.2%
4	Germany	2.75	3.4%
5	Hong Kong	2.46	3.0%
6	Netherlands	2.49	3.1%
7	India	2.21	2.7%
8	United Kingdom	1.93	2.4%
9	Switzerland	1.80	2.2%
10	Belgium	1.51	1.9%
11	France	1.42	1.7%
12	Italy	1.20	1.5%
13	Brazil	1.17	1.4%
14	Spain	0.96	1.2%
15	United Arab Emirates	0.92	1.1%

And you'll note the pretty significant drop off there after the US.

Ultimately, what would need to happen is a collective of countries (with a combined import figure that's north of $15 billion) would need to band together with some sort of sanctions or something to create the level of economic pressure that would force Israel to re-think their current actions.


A trading partner (who doesn't even make their top 15), who hasn't been providing them with military support for almost 25 years, who's already sending $80 million a year to NGOs supporting Palestinians, publicly proclaiming "We recognize Palestine as a state" isn't likely going to influence any decision making over in Tel Aviv.