I can’t support the Ukrainian Government any longer, even though Putin was wrong to invade

[FireDragon76]

In America, there are widely held similar beliefs about its exceptionalism, and also we have “In God We Trust” on our currency and coins, and historically, and to some extent even now, the United Kingdom, where the monarch is also head of the Church of England and Defender of the Faith, and in the past, this was also the case of Germany and Austria-Hungary. It also was or is the case with regards to Spain, and Greece, and Italy, and Romania, and Ireland, and Cyprus, and Poland, and Bulgaria, with regards to their special relationship to Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, and to Ethiopia and Armenia with regards to their importance to their respective Oriental Orthodox religions.

American and Russian exceptionalism are very unique because they have religious overtones that most other countries do not have. I say that as somebody that lived in the UK for several years, there is really nothing like it over there.

 

[The Liturgist]

American and Russian exceptionalism are very unique because they have religious overtones that most other countries do not have. I say that as somebody that lived in the UK for several years, there is really nothing like it over there.

That really depends on who you talk to and what part of the UK you are talking about. Anglican Tories from Hartfordshire or Somerset or Northern Irish Protestants are more likely to hold such a view than say, Orcadians or cosmopolitan residents of say, Lambeth or Islington.

 

[Red Gold]

I don't think I've seen a post more out of touch with the awful tragedy of this war, one that exhibits so little empathy, than this one.

Ukraine needs our empathy!

 

[archer75]

To the OP:

this statement of yours, in bold, is incorrect:

These goals are not dishonorable, indeed, most people not supporting Russia would see them as laudable, however, for him to declare all he wants to do is save lives is fundamentally dishonest and manipulative when he could accomplish that objective with a single phone call to either President Biden, NATO SHAPE, or a neutral country like Switzerland, requesting their assistance or good offices in communicating with Russia to achieve an immediate ceasefire to facilitate a 24 hour period in which to work out a negotiated surrender, countersigned by representatives of Russian allies, Ukrainian allies, neutral countries and the UN.

RF's stated goals are the absolute destruction of Ukraine as a state and the absolute erasure of Ukrainian ethnicity. They will never stop under any circumstances as long as the Putin regime is in power. No one can negotiate with someone whose only goal, openly stated, is to murder them.

 

[Red Gold]

No one can negotiate with someone whose only goal, openly stated, is to murder them.

That is absolutely true!

 

[Nithavela]

 

[variant]

If Putin was wrong to invade then our support should be with Ukraine.

If Russia wants peace they can withdrawal anytime they wish.

Mixing in religion with the war is ridiculous, they are two countries steeped in eastern orthodoxy, Ukraine being the more religious of the two.

Talking about Ukraine's right wing (nationalists), is funny given that Russia has a right (ultra nationalists) wing so frothy they invaded another country and declaired it shouldn't exist.

 

[variant]

RF's stated goals are the absolute destruction of Ukraine as a state and the absolute erasure of Ukrainian ethnicity. They will never stop under any circumstances as long as the Putin regime is in power. No one can negotiate with someone whose only goal, openly stated, is to murder them.

Stated goal and consistent action. Bombing civilians because they won't accept your rule isn't the mark of the moral.

 

[Diamond7]

Note that Fox News has been consistently pro Ukraine

What is interesting is that neither China or Russia seems to be able to stop Musk. Although he said the vaccine made him so sick he felt like he was going to die. It is always the "friendly fire" we need to watch out for.

 

[The Liturgist]

What is interesting is that neither China or Russia seems to be able to stop Musk. Although he said the vaccine made him so sick he felt like he was going to die. It is always the "friendly fire" we need to watch out for.

Forgive me, I don’t understand how your post relates to mine.

 

[Diamond7]

Forgive me, I don’t understand how your post relates to mine.

My point is. Why can Musk do what the UNITED STATES of AMERICA can not do? Even if Trump were president there would be no war in Ukraine. When Obama was president the war was in Syria. This is a war between Biden or Obama and Putin. The Ukraine people are paying the price.

We look forward to the 1,000 year reign of Christ when there will be world peace and no more wars.

Revelation 7:4 "14 “Sir,” I answered, “you know.” So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

1Peter5:6 "Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you."

 

[Aryeh Jay]

My point is. Why can Musk do what the UNITED STATES of AMERICA can not do? Even if Trump were president there would be no war in Ukraine. When Obama was president the war was in Syria. This is a war between Biden or Obama and Putin. The Ukraine people are paying the price.

We look forward to the 1,000 year reign of Christ when there will be world peace and no more wars.

Revelation 7:4 "14 “Sir,” I answered, “you know.” So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

1Peter5:6 "Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you."

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It is true, if Trump were President there would be no war in Ukraine, because there would be no Ukraine.

 

[Diamond7]

It is true, if Trump were President there would be no war in Ukraine, because there would be no Ukraine.

Does not look like there is much of a Ukraine left. Maybe it is just the way the news makes it look like everything has been destroyed. Bush had a very good relationship with Putin. They use to coordinate their clothing for photo opportunities.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Does not look like there is much of a Ukraine left. Maybe it is just the way the news makes it look like everything has been destroyed. Bush had a very good relationship with Putin. They use to coordinate their clothing for photo opportunities.
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Those are flotation devices, I have several of that brand in my garage. Why does it look like Putin is doing a nazi salute?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Those are flotation devices, I have several of that brand in my garage. Why does it look like Putin is doing a nazi salute?

'Cause he's short and wants to hide the fact by holding his hand up almost as much as Bush.