Where was the Sabbath Abolished?

[SabbathBlessings]

The Sabbath was never abolished, it was fulfilled by Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Blessings

Fulfilled meaning as fill-full (His will) like we should as His example, not fulfilled as meaning the same thing as abolished which is the opposite of what Christ taught or lived.

 

[HTacianas]

Sabbath started at Creation Genesis 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 so that's simply untrue. Jesus tells us the Sabbath is made for man and the man here means mankind Mark 2:27 Noah was a man and a man of faith.

God blessed the seventh day in Genesis but did not command anyone to observe it until Exodus. If you read the account in Exodus you'll see that the Israelites were told to cook extra food so that they would not have to cook on the sabbath. If they had been observing it before then they wouldn't have to have been told to do that. They would already have been doing it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God blessed the seventh day in Genesis but did not command anyone to observe it until Exodus. If you read the account in Exodus you'll see that the Israelites were told to cook extra food so that they would not have to cook on the sabbath. If they had been observing it before then they wouldn't have to have been told to do that. They would already have been doing it.

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for mankind, is it your claim that Adam and Eve rebelled against God the day they were made and told God after He just made them that they didn't want to spend time with Him on His holy Sabbath day, they were going to sit it out and do their own thing instead.

 

[Gary K]

At the time of Moses Aaron existed. He held the priesthood at Sinai.

I guess I'm getting really old and my mental processes are really slowing down as you're right on that. But Jesus kept the 10 commandments perfectly so it wasn't that law that changed. Melchesidic was not Jesus therefore He wasn't sinless either.

 

[Gary K]

God blessed the seventh day in Genesis but did not command anyone to observe it until Exodus. If you read the account in Exodus you'll see that the Israelites were told to cook extra food so that they would not have to cook on the sabbath. If they had been observing it before then they wouldn't have to have been told to do that. They would already have been doing it.

That's a really flimsy argument. They were not being fed manna before and they were given that command before the law was given on Sinai.

 

[HTacianas]

Jesus said the Sabbath was made for mankind, is it your claim that Adam and Eve rebelled against God the day they were made and told God after He just made them that they didn't want to spend time with Him on His holy Sabbath day, they were going to sit it out and do their own thing instead.

I haven't made any claims about Adam and Eve.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I haven't made any claims about Adam and Eve.

Then why do you think they wouldn't observe it or there wasn't a command. The Sabbath commandment shows it was from the beginning and points us back to Creation "Remember" meaning it happened previously plus God tells us it did Exo 20:11 so why would one think any of God's faithful followers wouldn't keep the Sabbath or any of the commandments, Jesus said was made for them and us (mankind) to bless us and how could it not be a blessing to spend time with God on His holy day, that He sanctified for holy use and gives us sanctification as we cannot sanctify ourselves Eze 20:12.

Where there is no law there is no transgression Romans 4:15 we have a fair and just God, who would never convict us of sin (breaking God's law 1 John 3:4) without telling us what that law is. Just like Cain knew it was a sin to kill Abel, there was no law stated in scripture, but Cain knew it was sin therefore God's law existed way before Mt Sinai.

Scripture also tells us the earthy temple was patterned after God's heavenly Temple Hebrews 8:1-4 and in God's heavenly Temple is God's holy law Rev 11:19. We are told Lucifer sinned from the beginning 1 John 3:8 so there is God's law in heaven. We want to reconcile with God and breaking these same laws, is not how we do it, but keeping them through faith and love 1 John 5:3 Romans 3:31 Rev 14:12 which leads us to reconciliation Rev 22:14

 

[HTacianas]

That's a really flimsy argument. They were not being fed manna before and they were given that command before the law was given on Sinai.

That's why the commandment is "remember" the sabbath day. It had already been given to them.

Then why do you think they wouldn't observe it or there wasn't a command. The Sabbath commandment shows it was from the beginning and points us back to Creation "Remember" meaning it happened previously plus God tells us it did Exo 20:11 so why would one think any of God's faithful followers wouldn't keep the Sabbath or any of the commandments, Jesus said was made for them and us (mankind) to bless us and how could it not be a blessing to spend time with God on His holy day, that He sanctified for holy use and gives us sanctification as we cannot sanctify ourselves Eze 20:12.

Where there is no law there is no transgression Romans 4:15 we have a fair and just God, who would never convict us of sin (breaking God's law 1 John 3:4) without telling us what that law is. Just like Cain knew it was a sin to kill Abel, there was no law stated in scripture, but Cain knew it was sin therefore God's law existed way before Mt Sinai.

Scripture also tells us the earthy temple was patterned after God's heavenly Temple Hebrews 8:1-4 and in God's heavenly Temple is God's holy law Rev 11:19. We are told Lucifer sinned from the beginning 1 John 3:8 so there is God's law in heaven. We want to reconcile with God and breaking these same laws, is not how we do it, but keeping them through faith and love 1 John 5:3 Romans 3:31 Rev 14:12 which leads us to reconciliation Rev 22:14

There wasn't a command because if there were, it would be written somewhere. It isn't.

 

[trophy33]

Where...

The Mosaic Law has ended in Israel/Jerusalem in the 1st century. Including Sabbath.

there would be many verses and much text to show it, yet there is none.

"For all the prophets and the law until John."
Mt 11:13

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."
Gal 3:23-25

"So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another"
R 7:4

"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way
of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."
R 7:6

"For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands (ἐντολῶν) and ordinances (δόγμασιν)".
Eph 2:15

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
Col 2:16

The apostles would have had many discussions and the councils at Jerusalem would have written at least one with a determination of it being abolished and yet there is nothing.

There is plenty about this topic in Galatians and Romans. And in Acts its stated during the Jerusalem council that Gentiles do not need to keep the Mosaic Law even before it was all finished (70 AD).

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That's why the commandment is "remember" the sabbath day. It had already been given to them.

Yes at Creation....which is where God pointed back to right from the Sabbath commandment.

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

There wasn't a command because if there were, it would be written somewhere. It isn't.

Says who? How would Cain know its a sin to murder unless God told Him the law as sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4

 

[Gary K]

I haven't made any claims about Adam and Eve.

Pretty choosy about who you're going to mention aren't you? If Adam and Eve knew about the Sabbath so did Noah as Adam would have told his children and grandkids about the Sabbath and there were righteous people still alive at the flood. Enoch was such a righteous man he was translated so He kept the Sabbath too.

 

[Gary K]

The Mosaic Law has ended in Israel/Jerusalem in the 1st century. Including Sabbath.


"For all the prophets and the law until John."
Mt 11:13

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."
Gal 3:23-25

"So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another"
R 7:4

"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way
of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."
R 7:6

"For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands (ἐντολῶν) and ordinances (δόγμασιν)".
Eph 2:15

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
Col 2:16



There is plenty about this topic in Galatians and Romans. And in Acts its stated during the Jerusalem council that Gentiles do not need to keep the Mosaic Law.

I guess you must think God is unjust as you quoted scripture that says Jesus broke down the middle wall of partition erasing the artificial wall of hostility the Pharisees had created between Gentiles and Jews.

 

[trophy33]

I guess you must think God is unjust as you quoted scripture that says Jesus broke down the middle wall of partition erasing the artificial wall of hostility the Pharisees had created between Gentiles and Jews.

God is just. So you guessed wrong.

 

[Gary K]

God is just. So you guessed wrong.

I know God is just. It isn't me making that claim but God being unjust is stongly implied in the post I replied to.

 

[trophy33]

I know God is just. It isn't me making that claim but God being unjust is stongly implied in the post I replied to.

Your opinion. I know, from previous conversations, that you frequently do not make much sense.

 

[HTacianas]

Yes at Creation....which is where God pointed back to right from the Sabbath commandment.

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Says who? How would Cain know its a sin to murder unless God told Him the law as sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4

It was first given to the Jews in Exodus before Sinai.

 

[HTacianas]

Pretty choosy about who you're going to mention aren't you? If Adam and Eve knew about the Sabbath so did Noah as Adam would have told his children and grandkids about the Sabbath and there were righteous people still alive at the flood. Enoch was such a righteous man he was translated so He kept the Sabbath too.

You really should google "laws of Noah". You won't even find a Jew who agrees with you on this.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It was first given to the Jews in Exodus before Sinai.

It was given to mankind according to Jesus Mark 2:27 starting at Creation Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 and is for eternity Isa 66:22-23

There is no scripture that says its the Sabbath of the Jews- God claims it as the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo 20:10 My holy day Isa 58:13 made for everyone Mark 2:27 Isa 56:6 as we are made in the image of God to follow Him, not do our own thing.

 

[Gary K]

You really should google "laws of Noah". You won't even find a Jew who agrees with you on this.

So? Are the Jews always right? Or have they been wrong for centuries on the exact same things?

 

[HTacianas]

It was given to mankind according to Jesus Mark 2:27 starting at Creation Exo 20:11 Gen 2:1-3 and is for eternity Isa 66:22-23

There is no scripture that says its the Sabbath of the Jews- God claims it as the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo 20:10 My holy day Isa 58:13 made for everyone Mark 2:27 Isa 56:6 as we are made in the image of God to follow Him, not do our own thing.

Find for us a source who agrees with you.