Paul is referring to the same Law in verse 4, 6, 7, and the illustration makes the point those who now belong to another, are released from that Law, and are not bound by it.
This is a reasonable, ordered line of reasoning used by the apostle to drive home an important point regarding the Law, which includes the command, "thou shall not covet", that this law is not binding on them.
They can thus serve in newness of the Spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.
Faith establishes the Law. It does not do away with it. For the Law is in our hearts and minds. His word in our hearts and mouths that we do it through His Spirit. That is the Faith in which we preach. And if not then we are preaching a faith that is not of God Corey.
You restated your position, but you neglected to deal with the major problems that I raised with your position. A law that stirs up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death is a law that is sinful,
The text is not saying that my friend. We will explain below.
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Romans 7:5 and
7:7 can't both be referring to the same law.
But it is Soyeong.
In the KJV in verse 5 the word motions is used to translate the Greek word pathema. This word means something undergone, hardship or pain. (see below) Regardless of how it is translated, that which is undergone is that which is of sin not the Law.
As you so acutely put forward. To say the passion is from the law would be blasphemous.
What we have here is an issue with translations and thereby that is why there is so much confusion. All translations s use verbiage that it makes it seem that the passions, or motions are of the Law. It is a contextual issue. Sad really because the Passions are of the sins not the Law. The sins are known through the Law. For we would not know sin but by the Law. But sin taking advantage through the commandment wrought in me all manner of concupiscence, lust. Not the passion of the Law. The passion of the sin. The sin known through the Law.
G3804 πάθημα pathema (pa'-thee-ma) n.
1. something undergone, i.e. hardship or pain.
2. (subjectively) an emotion or influence.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, the, through the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. (For the wages of sin is death)
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Let's continue. The context starts in Verses1- 4 in Romans 7. In context he is speaking of the Law in verses 1-3. In that, thou shall not commit Adultery is of the Law. Then it says in relation to the example of adultery being used as analogy. He says in comparison to that we are dead to the Law through the Body of Christ. So it must be the Law of God because he has not distinguished that it wasn't. Please keep in mind it us who are dead to the law in verse 4. And delivered from the Law in verse 6 in the KJV. The word translated delivered in the KJV actually means rendered idle. Regardless, as was said, it is us who are idled and it is us who are dead to the Law. Not the Law idled or dead, but us.
So, the question should arise, how are we dead to the Law. How have we been rendered idle or delivered from it? Take note also as we ponder this. The word 'also' is used in the clause, "ye also are become dead to the law through the Body of Christ"
So, with that we must also ask what also have we become dead to besides the Law? The answer to that is in chapter 6 and throughout Romans. Which when answered will show us how we are dead to the Law.
It says How shall who are dead to sin live any longer therein in verse 2?
So we see that we also are dead to sin.
But how have we become dead to sin that we no longer live any therein?
It says in verses 3-7 that we whom have been baptized in Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death and Like Jesus who was raised by the Glory of the Father even so, we walk in newness of Life in Him. Then indicatively in respect to walking in newness of life he states that if we have been planted together in likeness of His death we shall also be likeness of His resurrection. Because we Know our old man, who we were was crucified with Him that the Body of sin should be destroyed. That hence forth we do not serve sin. For he, our old man is dead and therefore we are freed from sin and alive unto God IN Jesus Christ our Lord's resurrection. So we are not to let sin reign in our mortal bodies since it no longer has dominion over us. For he that is dead, the old man is freed from sin through being risen with Him.
So We are not under the law but Grace. For by the Law is the knowledge of sin. And All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. So death reigned by sin. For all have sinned and the wages of sin is death. But while we were yet sinners Christ died for the ungodly, even while we were without strength the Holy Spirit is given unto us. That through the righteousness of the One many be made righteous. And through grace righteousness might reign unto eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Through the Holy Spirit given unto us, the Spirit of the Life in Christ Jesus He has set us free from the Law of sin and death. That the righteousness of the Law be fulfilled in us who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh. So say not, who shall bring Christ down from above or up from the deep. For the Word is nigh unto us. In our hearts and in our mouths. That is the faith in which we preach. The faith that the just live by. In this the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith. The faith that establishes the Law. The faith of Jesus Christ. That is INTO all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference. Rom 3:22. For we have received grace and apostleship for obedience of the faith, His Word through Christ in our heart and mouth. Not the ministry of the Letter and Tables of Stone but of the Spirit. The Ministry of the Letter killeth. But the Ministry of the Spirit, His Word in our hearts and Mouths. His Law in our hearts and minds that we do it giveth Life. For God has said He will circumcise our hearts with the circumcision which is of Christ. He will give us a new Spirit and cause us to walk in His statutes and Laws. Us in Him He in us that the World might believe. For it is God that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure through His Spirit that dwells in us. For it is certain in Him we live, move and have our being. He has not left us comfortless, He has come unto us. He is the Vine we are the branches. Without Him we can do nothing. For with man this is impossible. But with God all things are possible!
We went from obeying the letter and tables of stone to the letter and tables of stone becoming part of us. For it is in our hearts, mouths, and minds. We are a new creature begotten by the word of truth, The Word manifested in our flesh. For He was the first among many brethren. Behold all is new and of God. So as
