Where was the Sabbath Abolished?

[reddogs]

If the Sabbath was abolished, there would be many verses and much text to show it, yet there is none. The apostles would have had many discussions and the councils at Jerusalem would have written at least one with a determination of it being abolished and yet there is nothing. Paul exhorts in Corinthians that Circumcision is nothing in comparison to the Ten Commandments.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Since there are more than forty verses and up to ten verses at a time clearly stating that Circumcision of the flesh is a yoke of bondage and abolished, how many scriptures would you expect stating the Sabbath was abolished or changed to Sunday? Perhaps seventy or more? The fact is there is not even one verse that says, 'The Sabbath is abolished' or is now Sunday.

Acts 15:1-19 The Council at Jerusalem​

1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16 “‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]—
18 things known from long ago.[c]
19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

The Ten Commandments are the only thing that God personally spoke and then personally etched His Law into stone tablets with His own finger. Yet there is not one clear scripture or commandment from Christ or even a direction from a apostle or as you can see from the Jerusalem Council to abolish the Sabbath anywhere in scripture, just a couple of erroneous assumptions. One of God's Commandments supposedly changes or is abolished and we do not have even one clear verse. Why not? The answer is simple. It was never abolished or changed to Sunday by the authority of God so no such scripture exists..

 

[HTacianas]

If the Sabbath was abolished, there would be many verses and much text to show it, yet there is none. The apostles would have had many discussions and the councils at Jerusalem would have written at least one with a determination of it being abolished and yet there is nothing. Paul exhorts in Corinthians that Circumcision is nothing in comparison to the Ten Commandments.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Since there are more than forty verses and up to ten verses at a time clearly stating that Circumcision of the flesh is a yoke of bondage and abolished, how many scriptures would you expect stating the Sabbath was abolished or changed to Sunday? Perhaps seventy or more? The fact is there is not even one verse that says, 'The Sabbath is abolished' or is now Sunday.

Acts 15:1-19 The Council at Jerusalem​

1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16 “‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]—
18 things known from long ago.[c]
19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

The Ten Commandments are the only thing that God personally spoke and then personally etched His Law into stone tablets with His own finger. Yet there is not one clear scripture or commandment from Christ or even a direction from a apostle or as you can see from the Jerusalem Council to abolish the Sabbath anywhere in scripture, just a couple of erroneous assumptions. One of God's Commandments supposedly changes or is abolished and we do not have even one clear verse. Why not? The answer is simple. It was never abolished or changed to Sunday by the authority of God so no such scripture exists..

Hebrews 7:11-12

 

[Soyeong]

Hebrews 7:11-12

Changing the priesthood does not suggest that the Sabbath has been abolished. God's nature is eternal, so the way to testify about His nature is also eternal, which includes testifying about God's holiness by keeping the Sabbath holy. The only way to abolish laws for how to be holy for God is holy would be to first abolish God's eternal holiness.

 

[HTacianas]

Changing the priesthood does not suggest that the Sabbath has been abolished. God's nature is eternal, so the way to testify about His nature is also eternal, which includes testifying about God's holiness by keeping the Sabbath holy. The only way to abolish laws for how to be holy for God is holy would be to first abolish God's eternal holiness.

That's all fine and good but the writer still states that there is a change in the law. That change came with the change in the priesthood. If what you say is the case, what was the change in the law?

 

[Gary K]

Hebrews 7:11-12

Where does that say the 10 commandments were changed? The context is the Levitical priestood.

Hebrews 9: 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Jesus was born of the tribe of Judah, therefore the change of law referred to in Hebrews 7 is the law concerning the Levitical priesthood.

 

[HTacianas]

Where does that say the 10 commandments were changed? The context is the Levitical priestood.

Hebrews 9: 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Jesus was born of the tribe of Judah, therefore the change of law referred to in Hebrews 7 is the law concerning the Levitical priesthood.

That's close. But the writer goes beyond the Levitical priesthood to Aaron and beyond to Melchesidic.

 

[Soyeong]

That's all fine and good but the writer still states that there is a change in the law. That change came with the change in the priesthood. If what you say is the case, what was the change in the law?

God's righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142), therefore any laws that God has given for how to testify about His righteousness are also eternal (Psalms 119:160), and if those instructions were to ever change, then God's righteousness would not be eternal. Sin was in the world before the law was given (Romans 5:13), so there were no actions that became righteous or sinful when the law was given, but rather the law revealed what has always been and will always be the way to do that. For example, it was sinful to commit adultery in Genesis 39:9, long before the Mosaic Covenant was made, during it, it remains sinful after it has become obsolete, and this will never change no matter how many covenants God makes or become obsolete and no matter how many priesthoods there are. So Hebrews 7:12 could not be referring to a change of the law in regard to its content, such as with it becoming righteous to commit adultery, sinful to help the poor, or unholy to keep the Sabbath, but rather the context is speaking in regard to the change of the priesthood, which would also require a change of the law in regard to its administration. Changing the priesthood does not suggest a change in the nature of who God is.

 

[HTacianas]

God's righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142), therefore any laws that God has given for how to testify about His righteousness are also eternal (Psalms 119:160), and if those instructions were to ever change, then God's righteousness would not be eternal. Sin was in the world before the law was given (Romans 5:13), so there were no actions that became righteous or sinful when the law was given, but rather the law revealed what has always been and will always be the way to do that. For example, it was sinful to commit adultery in Genesis 39:9, long before the Mosaic Covenant was made, during it, it remains sinful after it has become obsolete, and this will never change no matter how many covenants God makes or become obsolete and no matter how many priesthoods there are. So Hebrews 7:12 could not be referring to a change of the law in regard to its content, such as with it becoming righteous to commit adultery, sinful to help the poor, or unholy to keep the Sabbath, but rather the context is speaking in regard to the change of the priesthood, which would also require a change of the law in regard to its administration. Changing the priesthood does not suggest a change in the nature of who God is.

You're hitting on it now. Adultery was prohibited before the Mosaic covenant. So was murder. Those laws existed during the time of Melchesidic. But the sabbath didn't. Neither Adam nor Noah nor Abraham kept the sabbath because no one had commanded it. The sabbath was only given to the Jews in Exodus. Circumcision was older.

The writer of Hebrews declares a change in the law from that given under the Levites. He goes on to include the law given under Aaron. He states that the priesthood is now according to Melchesidic. That is the change in the law. It has reverted in effect to what was the law under Melchesidic. If the writer had meant the law given under Aaron he would have stopped at Aaron.

 

[Gary K]

That's close. But the writer goes beyond the Levitical priesthood to Aaron and beyond to Melchesidic.

So what? He specifically mentions the Levitical priesthood which came after Melchesidic. Levi became high priest after Mechesidic so he replaced that priesthood, and Jesus replaced his line of priests.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You're hitting on it now. Adultery was prohibited before the Mosaic covenant. So was murder. Those laws existed during the time of Melchesidic. But the sabbath didn't. Neither Adam nor Noah nor Abraham kept the sabbath because no one had commanded it. The sabbath was only given to the Jews in Exodus. Circumcision was older.

The writer of Hebrews declares a change in the law from that given under the Levites. He goes on to include the law given under Aaron. He states that the priesthood is now according to Melchesidic. That is the change in the law. It has reverted in effect to what was the law under Melchesidic. If the writer had meant the law given under Aaron he would have stopped at Aaron.

The Sabbath was given at Creation 2:1-3 Genesis Exo 20:11, made for man Mark 2:27 and man which was created on the sixth day Gen 1:26 right before the first Sabbath Gen 2:1-3.

Do you have proof that Noah or Adam didn’t keep the commandments- where is that verse? I always find it odd that people claim the Sabbath is for the Jews, but yet claim in that same breath Abraham the father of Jews didn’t keep the Sabbath.

God called the Sabbath My holy day, not the Sabbath of the Jews and sad how so many people argue against God’s own words.

 

[HTacianas]

So what? He specifically mentions the Levitical priesthood which came after Melchesidic. Levi became high priest after Mechesidic so he replaced that priesthood, and Jesus replaced his line of priests.

He mentions them in reverse chronology. In describing the change in the law he mentions first the Levitical priesthood, along with it the law given under the Levites. That included the dietary laws and "works of righteousness". He goes back to Aaron, meaning the law given under Aaron. Then to Melchesidic and the law in effect during his time. The change in the priesthood, and the change in the law, were according to Melchesidic. Simply study for yourself the law that existed at the time of Melchesidic and you'll have the answer.

 

[Soyeong]

You're hitting on it now. Adultery was prohibited before the Mosaic covenant. So was murder. Those laws existed during the time of Melchesidic. But the sabbath didn't. Neither Adam nor Noah nor Abraham kept the sabbath because no one had commanded it. The sabbath was only given to the Jews in Exodus. Circumcision was older.

The writer of Hebrews declares a change in the law from that given under the Levites. He goes on to include the law given under Aaron. He states that the priesthood is now according to Melchesidic. That is the change in the law. It has reverted in effect to what was the law under Melchesidic. If the writer had meant the law given under Aaron he would have stopped at Aaron.

All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160), so all of them existed before God created Adam and Eve, including the command to keep the Sabbath holy. God's holiness is eternal, so the way to be holy as God is holy is also eternal, which again includes keeping the Sabbath holy. Both Abraham and Moses walked in God's way in obedience to His law. In Genesis 26:4-5, Abraham heard God's voice and guarded His charge, HIs commandments, His statutes, and His laws. In Genesis 4:7, God told Cain that sin was crouching at the door and that he must master it, so he must have already been given laws in that regard. What is holy to God should not be profaned by man, so we would still be obligated to keep the Sabbath holy even if God had never commanded anyone to do that.

Keeping the Sabbath holy testifies that there is a Creator who created the world in six days, who rest on the 7th, who is holy, who sanctifies us, and who saves His people out of bondage, so those who believe in the truth of those things will testify about them by keeping the Sabbath holy while those who do not believe in the truth of those things will not keep the Sabbath holy. In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told be holy for God is holy, which is quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to do that, which straightforwardly includes keeping God's Sabbaths holy (Leviticus 19:2-3), and God's holiness is eternal, so the way to be holy as He is holy is therefore also eternal regardless of how many priesthoods are changed. All of God's laws are eternal, so the law under Melchizedek was not different.

 

[Gary K]

He mentions them in reverse chronology. In describing the change in the law he mentions first the Levitical priesthood, along with it the law given under the Levites. That included the dietary laws and "works of righteousness". He goes back to Aaron, meaning the law given under Aaron. Then to Melchesidic and the law in effect during his time. The change in the priesthood, and the change in the law, were according to Melchesidic. Simply study for yourself the law that existed at the time of Melchesidic and you'll have the answer.

What does the order in which they are listed have to do with it? What is relevant is the order in which they each existed.

Hebrews 7: 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

There were no Jews during the time of Mechesidic. Thus Moses was not speaking of Melchesidic as during Moses' time the tribes of Judah and Levi existed.

 

[HTacianas]

The Sabbath was given at Creation 2:1-3 Genesis Exo 20:11, made for man Mark 2:27 and man which was created on the sixth day Gen 1:26 right before the first Sabbath Gen 2:1-3.

Do you have proof that Noah or Adam didn’t keep the commandments- where is that verse? I always find it odd that people claim the Sabbath is for the Jews, but yet claim in that same breath Abraham the father of Jews didn’t keep the Sabbath.

God called the Sabbath My holy day, not the Sabbath of the Jews and sad how so many people argue against God’s own words.

Well see it doesn't work that way. It is impossible to prove a negative. You have to show me where Noah was commanded to keep the sabbath.

 

[HTacianas]

What does the order in which they are listed have to do with it? What is relevant is the order in which they each existed.

Hebrews 7: 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

There were no Jews during the time of Mechesidic. Thus Moses was not speaking of Melchesidic as during Moses' time the tribes of Judah and Levi existed.

At the time of Moses Aaron existed. He held the priesthood at Sinai.

 

[HTacianas]

All of God's righteous laws are eternal (Psalms 119:160), so all of them existed before God created Adam and Eve, including the command to keep the Sabbath holy. God's holiness is eternal, so the way to be holy as God is holy is also eternal, which again includes keeping the Sabbath holy. Both Abraham and Moses walked in God's way in obedience to His law. In Genesis 26:4-5, Abraham heard God's voice and guarded His charge, HIs commandments, His statutes, and His laws. In Genesis 4:7, God told Cain that sin was crouching at the door and that he must master it, so he must have already been given laws in that regard. What is holy to God should not be profaned by man, so we would still be obligated to keep the Sabbath holy even if God had never commanded anyone to do that.

Keeping the Sabbath holy testifies that there is a Creator who created the world in six days, who rest on the 7th, who is holy, who sanctifies us, and who saves His people out of bondage, so those who believe in the truth of those things will testify about them by keeping the Sabbath holy while those who do not believe in the truth of those things will not keep the Sabbath holy. In 1 Peter 1:16, we are told be holy for God is holy, which is quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to do that, which straightforwardly includes keeping God's Sabbaths holy (Leviticus 19:2-3), and God's holiness is eternal, so the way to be holy as He is holy is therefore also eternal regardless of how many priesthoods are changed. All of God's laws are eternal, so the law under Melchizedek was not different.

If all of God's righteous laws are eternal, how could there ever be a change in the law?

As to Leviticus 19:2-3:

Col 2:16 - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Well see it doesn't work that way. It is impossible to prove a negative. You have to show me where Noah was commanded to keep the sabbath.

Noah obeyed God, so you would need to prove that Noah broke God’s commandments. There is no scripture that shows Noah was in rebellion to God and His law.

 

[HTacianas]

Noah obeyed God, so you would need to prove that Noah broke God’s commandments. There is no scripture that shows Noah was in rebellion to God and His law.

I haven't said Noah was in rebellion against God or anything of the sort. I asked you to show me where Noah was commanded to keep the sabbath. Even Jewish sources will tell you there was no sabbath at the time of Noah.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

If the Sabbath was abolished, there would be many verses and much text to show it, yet there is none. The apostles would have had many discussions and the councils at Jerusalem would have written at least one with a determination of it being abolished and yet there is nothing. Paul exhorts in Corinthians that Circumcision is nothing in comparison to the Ten Commandments.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Since there are more than forty verses and up to ten verses at a time clearly stating that Circumcision of the flesh is a yoke of bondage and abolished, how many scriptures would you expect stating the Sabbath was abolished or changed to Sunday? Perhaps seventy or more? The fact is there is not even one verse that says, 'The Sabbath is abolished' or is now Sunday.

Acts 15:1-19 The Council at Jerusalem​

1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16 “‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]—
18 things known from long ago.[c]
19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

The Ten Commandments are the only thing that God personally spoke and then personally etched His Law into stone tablets with His own finger. Yet there is not one clear scripture or commandment from Christ or even a direction from a apostle or as you can see from the Jerusalem Council to abolish the Sabbath anywhere in scripture, just a couple of erroneous assumptions. One of God's Commandments supposedly changes or is abolished and we do not have even one clear verse. Why not? The answer is simple. It was never abolished or changed to Sunday by the authority of God so no such scripture exists..

The Sabbath was never abolished, it was fulfilled by Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Blessings

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I haven't said Noah was in rebellion against God or anything of the sort. I asked you to show me where Noah was commanded to keep the sabbath. Even Jewish sources will tell you there was no sabbath at the time of Noah.

Sabbath started at Creation Genesis 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 so that's simply untrue. Jesus tells us the Sabbath is made for man and the man here means mankind Mark 2:27 Noah was a man and a man of faith.