Where was the Sabbath Abolished?

[HTacianas]

So? Are the Jews always right? Or have they been wrong for centuries on the exact same things?

You will find no Jewish source who agrees with you. The sabbath was given to the Jews in Exodus and it has never applied to gentiles.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Find for us a source who agrees with you.

You mean outside God's Word over the clear Word of God, what we are warned about Isa 8:20, no thank you.

 

[HTacianas]

You mean outside God's Word over the clear Word of God, what we are warned about Isa 8:20, no thank you.

God's word doesn't agree with you. It in fact warns us:

Col 2:16 - Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God's word doesn't agree with you. It in fact warns us:

Col 2:16 - Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

And how does this verse answer the scriptures in this post? Where was the Sabbath Abolished?


If one would carefully study and look at all of the context. Col 2:14-17 KJV Heb 10:1-10 clearly shows this is not about one of God's finger written and spoken commandments. Exodus 20 Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16, but ordinances- there is the weekly Sabbath commandment and the yearly sabbath(s) in ordinances the context if we study it shows which sabbath(s) its referring to. Obviously, this verse is not referring to the weekly Sabbath that ended at the cross, when the apostles kept every Sabbath decades later. Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44 Hard to make the case the weekly Sabbath is contrary and against when God blessed and sanctified the Sabbath day and made it holy. Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:8-11 Only God can reverse a blessing Num 23:20 and please show where He did so in scripture. All the thus saith the Lords in scriptures tells us to keep the Sabbath and warns us not to profane His holy day (too many scriptures to list). I recommend a prayerful study on it. Is Jesus going to ask us to keep something in heaven that against us? Isa 66:22-23

 

[HTacianas]

And how does this one out of context verse, answer the clear scripture in this post? Where was the Sabbath Abolished?


If only one would carefully study and look at all of the context. Col 2:14-17 KJV Heb 10:1-10 clearly shows this is not about one of God's finger written and spoken commandments. Exodus 20 Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16, but ordinances- there is the weekly Sabbath commandment and the yearly sabbath(s) in ordinances the context if we study it shows which sabbath(s) its referring to. Obviously, this verse is not referring to the weekly Sabbath that ended at the cross, when the apostles kept every Sabbath decades later. Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44 Hard to make the case the weekly Sabbath is contrary and against when God blessed and sanctified the Sabbath day and made it holy. Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:8-11 Only God can reverse a blessing Num 23:20 and please show where He did so in scripture. All the thus saith the Lords in scriptures tells us to keep the Sabbath and warns us not to profane His holy day (too many scriptures to list). I recommend a prayerful study on it. Is Jesus going to ask us to keep something in heaven that against us? Isa 66:22-23 Obviously many use Col 2:16 out of context verse sadly to teaches against God's Word against one of the commandments- something in the very Words of Jesus warns us about. Mat 5:19-30, Mat 15:3-9.

That brings us full circle back to the change in the law of Hebrews.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That brings us full circle back to the change in the law of Hebrews.

Not if we read the scripture in context. The law that was changed was the priesthood, nothing about the Sabbath commandment- one would have to add that in the scriptures to make that case. Something we are warned about Pro 30:5-6 Deut 4:2

The context tells us the law that changed, the law of the priesthood had to change as Jesus is now our High Priest.

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7: 24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save [h]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.

 

[trophy33]

The law that was changed was the priesthood

"For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John."
Mt 11:13

"For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands (ἐντολῶν) and ordinances (δόγμασιν)".
Eph 2:15

Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory...
For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.
2 Cor 3:7,11

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."
Gal 3:23-25

"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way
of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."
R 7:6

"So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another"
R 7:4

Find the word "priesthood" in all of these verses and colorize it red and underline it, for us to see.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

"For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands (ἐντολῶν) and ordinances (δόγμασιν)".
Eph 2:15

Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory...
For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.
2 Cor 3:7,11

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."
Gal 3:23-25

"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way
of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."
R 7:6

"So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another"
R 7:4

Find the word "priesthood" in all of these verses and colorize it red and underline it, for us to see.

I find it interesting that you are always saying not to go other places in scripture, when quoting a verse. We are talking about the law in Hebrews 7 which explains itself, if we allow the scripture to interpret itself. While sometimes we need to bring in other context, but it needs to be on the same topic. None of these verses you quoted are about the priesthood and that somehow changed the Sabbath commandment.

Law is a generic term in scripture, there is not one size fits all, there are lots of laws and the context will explain the law its referring to if allowed.

 

[trophy33]

I find it interesting that you are always saying not to go other places in scripture, when quoting a verse. We are talking about the law in Hebrews 7 which explains itself, if we allow the scripture to interpret itself. While sometimes we need to bring in other context, but it needs to be on the same topic. None of these verses you quoted are about the priesthood and that somehow changed the Sabbath commandment.

Law is a generic term in scripture, there is not one size fits all, there are lots of laws and the context will explain the law its referring to if allowed.

Those verses clearly say that the Law has come to an end. With its "dógmasin" and "entolón". That includes Sabbath.

And if you want to hear it from the apostolic council in Jerusalem, Christians from Gentiles did not need to keep the Law:
"To the Gentile believers...
It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things."
Acts 15

And even the abstaining from the food sacrificed to idols was proclaimed as only optional by Paul, later.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Those verses clearly say that the Law has come to an end. With its "dógmasin" and "entolón". That includes Sabbath.

Really? How does that reconcile with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ? The commandments that are kept by God's faithful until the very end of time.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

God's holy Sabbath day is not going anywhere and will be continued to be kept for all eternity by His faithful Isa 66:22-23.

If the law goes, that means sin goes, that means no need for Jesus or His grace, that means we are all lost.

 

[trophy33]

Really? How does that reconcile with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ? The commandments that are kept by God's faithful until the very end of time.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

1. It says nothing about the Law. It says "His commandments", not "the Law".

2. Its not about the "very end of time", but about the end of Israel and about the coming of the kingdom of God - happened in the first century.

If the law goes, that means sin goes, that means no need for Jesus or His grace, that means we are all lost.

This sentence does not make any sense.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

1. It says nothing about the Law. It says "His commandments", not "the Law".

I hate to break this to you but the Sabbath is a commandment, even in the NT

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

2. Its not about the "very end of time", but about the end of Israel and about the coming of the kingdom of God - happened in the first century.

There is only one Second Coming of Jesus Christ, not two, but believe what you want. Thats the whole point of Revelations, the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

 

[trophy33]

I hate to break this to you but the Sabbath is a commandment, even in the NT

Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

I hate it break this to you, but The Mosaic Law contained commandments. Not all commandments are the Mosaic Law, though.

All cats are animals. Not all animals are cats.

There is only one Second Coming of Jesus Christ, not two, but believe what you want. Thats the whole point of Revelations, the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Revelation says clearly and literally "it will happen soon". If you want to ignore the words of Revelation in one place, it has no meaning to talk about another place in it.

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.
Rev 1:1

Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy...because the time is near.
Rev 1:3

"God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must come to pass soon."
Rev 22:6

"Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is near. "
Rev 22:10

"And, behold, I come quickly;"
Rev 22:12

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I hate it break this to you, but The Mosaic Law contained commandments. Not all commandments are the Mosaic Law, though.

All cats are animals. Not all animals are cats.


Revelation says clearly and literally "it will happen soon". If you want to ignore the words of Revelation in one place, it has no meaning to talk about another place in it.

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.
Rev 1:1

Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy...because the time is near.
Rev 1:3

"God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must come to pass soon."
Rev 22:6

"Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is near. "
Rev 22:10

The Sabbath is one of the Ten Commandments Exo 20, Deut 4:13 and not sure the point you are making "it will soon happen" yes, Jesus has not come again yet, which was my point, but soon will happen, agree with the scriptures. God has a faithful people that keep His commandments until He comes again Rev 22:14 so obviously, God's law, His commandments never ended.

Anway, thanks for the chat, take care.

 

[Gary K]

Find for us a source who agrees with you.

Scripture agrees with SB and it is the inspired source.

 

[trophy33]

The Sabbath is one of the Ten Commandments Exo 20, Deut 4:13 and not sure the point you are making

I am making a very simple point. The Mosaic Law contained commandments, but not all commandments are the Mosaic Law. For example "love your enemy" is not there.

Therefore, there is no evidence that the book of Revelation talks about the Mosaic Law or Sabbath. Its just your insertion. Not in the text. The text only says "commandments" without any specification that the commandments of the Mosaic Law are meant.

"it will soon happen" yes, Jesus has not come again yet, which was my point, but soon will happen, agree with the scriptures. God has a faithful people that keep His commandments until He comes again Rev 22:14 so obviously, God's law, His commandments never ended.

Anway, thanks for the chat, take care.

This does not make any sense. The "soon" was told to the first readers, not to you. They were promised the soon end.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I am making a very simple point. The Mosaic Law contained commandments. Not all commandments are the Mosaic Law. For example "love your enemy" is not there.
Therefore, there is no evidence that the book of Revelation talks about the Mosaic Law or Sabbath. Its just your insertion. Not in the text. The text only says "commandments" without any specification that the commandments of the Mosaic Law are meant.

Actually Revelation does tell us which set of law its referring read Rev 22:15 and it clearly tells us

This does not make any sense. The "soon" was told to the first readers, not to you. They were promised the soon end.

Jesus does not come again twice only once. When Jesus comes every eye will see Him in the clouds, not just some. The saints will meet Him in the air. There are two resurrections, and we should all pray we are in the first resurrection if we are not alive when He comes. God's Word tells us how to be part of the first resurrection.

 

[HIM]

For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands (ἐντολῶν) and ordinances (δόγμασιν)".
Eph 2:15

Commands and ordinances? What translation is that? It is in not and in most transitions. Big big difference.

 

[DamianWarS]

If the Sabbath was abolished, there would be many verses and much text to show it, yet there is none. The apostles would have had many discussions and the councils at Jerusalem would have written at least one with a determination of it being abolished and yet there is nothing. Paul exhorts in Corinthians that Circumcision is nothing in comparison to the Ten Commandments.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Since there are more than forty verses and up to ten verses at a time clearly stating that Circumcision of the flesh is a yoke of bondage and abolished, how many scriptures would you expect stating the Sabbath was abolished or changed to Sunday? Perhaps seventy or more? The fact is there is not even one verse that says, 'The Sabbath is abolished' or is now Sunday.

Acts 15:1-19 The Council at Jerusalem​

1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16 “‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]—
18 things known from long ago.[c]
19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

The Ten Commandments are the only thing that God personally spoke and then personally etched His Law into stone tablets with His own finger. Yet there is not one clear scripture or commandment from Christ or even a direction from a apostle or as you can see from the Jerusalem Council to abolish the Sabbath anywhere in scripture, just a couple of erroneous assumptions. One of God's Commandments supposedly changes or is abolished and we do not have even one clear verse. Why not? The answer is simple. It was never abolished or changed to Sunday by the authority of God so no such scripture exists..

the sabbath is not abolished it is fulfilled. that's like comparing dropping out of school vs graduation. both may have the same product, that you're no longer in school, but they are valued very differently. the sabbath was never toss away like some trash and to even suggestion that any Christian thinks that is insulting.

1 Cor 7:19 is a mirror of Gal 5:6 and Gal 6:15. where 7:19 used "God's commandments" Galatians shows us a different angle, unless we think Paul contradicted himself all mean the same thing.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.

Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Galatians 6:15
Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.

each verse contrasts circumcision with "what counts" and uses the same greek phases so that there is no confusion. They are in fact mirror verses. We can establish that circumcision is nothing, has no value, or mean nothing which should be quickly agreeable share the same thing. The following shows us "what counts" which is "Keeping God's commands", "faith expressing itself through love" and "the new creation". These must mean the same thing and not in addition to but different ways of explaining the same thing. Anything short of that would force Paul to contradict himself. So "Keeping God's commands" is the same as "faith expressing itself through love" is the same as "the new creation". This all is reconcilable with the commandment to love. Sandwiched between Gal 5:6 and 6:15 is Gal 5:14 stating "For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

This should settle the matter. Synomptically looking 1 Cor 7:19 is a mirror of Gal 5:6 and Gal 6:15 as well as the context of Galatians "God's commandments" is summed up by "Love your neighbor as yourself." which is consistent with the language in 5:14.

The two greatest commandments is inclusive loving God first, which then is used to support a cut-and-paste version of the old covenant law. John 14:14 echos “If you love me, keep my commands." so what is "my commandments" Well this is unpacked in the context itself in 15:12 "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you."

This isn't about throwing out the 10 commandments but these verses don't point to the 10 and why would they? The 10 should not be taught separate from the covenant they are created in, doing such explicitly violates that covenant. Those verses define themselves so why is it we work so hard to ignore its explicitly revealed meaning and point to something that is never revealed?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

the sabbath is not abolished it is fulfilled. that's like comparing dropping out of school vs graduation. both may have the same product, that you're no longer in school, but they are valued very differently. the sabbath was never toss away like some trash and to even suggestion that any Christian thinks that is insulting.

1 Cor 7:19 is a mirror of Gal 5:6 and Gal 6:15. where 7:19 used "God's commandments" Galatians shows us a different angle, unless we think Paul contradicted himself all mean the same thing.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.

Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Galatians 6:15
Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.

each verse contrasts circumcision with "what counts" and uses the same greek phases so that there is no confusion. They are in fact mirror verses. We can establish that circumcision is nothing, has no value, or mean nothing which should be quickly agreeable share the same thing. The following shows us "what counts" which is "Keeping God's commands", "faith expressing itself through love" and "the new creation". These must mean the same thing and not in addition to but different ways of explaining the same thing. Anything short of that would force Paul to contradict himself. So "Keeping God's commands" is the same as "faith expressing itself through love" is the same as "the new creation". This all is reconcilable with the commandment to love. Sandwiched between Gal 5:6 and 6:15 is Gal 5:14 stating "For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

This should settle the matter. Synomptically looking 1 Cor 7:19 is a mirror of Gal 5:6 and Gal 6:15 as well as the context of Galatians "God's commandments" is summed up by "Love your neighbor as yourself." which is consistent with the language in 5:14.

The two greatest commandments is inclusive loving God first, which then is used to support a cut-and-paste version of the old covenant law. John 14:14 echos “If you love me, keep my commands." so what is "my commandments" Well this is unpacked in the context itself in 15:12 "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you."

This isn't about throwing out the 10 commandments but these verses don't point to the 10 and why would they? The 10 should not be taught separate from the covenant they are created in, doing such explicitly violates that covenant. Those verses define themselves so why is it we work so hard to ignore its explicitly revealed meaning and point to something that is never revealed?

The scripture says commandments(s) but you pointed as the meaning to commandment, so they do not reconcile, and scripture does not delete scripture. Just like fulfilled can’t mean abolished In this context. Like if we fulfill our wedding vow doesn’t means we can commit adultery. No one ever applies this logic to any of the other commandments, just the Sabbath commandment, like it was on an island, when God cushioned it in the middle of the Ten Commandments and having the foresight to know most people would forget, so starting this one with Remember- we should always obey God the way He asks if we want to follow His Truth. Something Jesus taught Mat 15:3-9 Mark 7:7-8