Where was the Sabbath Abolished?

[Gary K]

the sabbath is not abolished it is fulfilled. that's like comparing dropping out of school vs graduation. both may have the same product, that you're no longer in school, but they are valued very differently. the sabbath was never toss away like some trash and to even suggestion that any Christian thinks that is insulting.

1 Cor 7:19 is a mirror of Gal 5:6 and Gal 6:15. where 7:19 used "God's commandments" Galatians shows us a different angle, unless we think Paul contradicted himself all mean the same thing.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.

Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Galatians 6:15
Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.

each verse contrasts circumcision with "what counts" and uses the same greek phases so that there is no confusion. They are in fact mirror verses. We can establish that circumcision is nothing, has no value, or mean nothing which should be quickly agreeable share the same thing. The following shows us "what counts" which is "Keeping God's commands", "faith expressing itself through love" and "the new creation". These must mean the same thing and not in addition to but different ways of explaining the same thing. Anything short of that would force Paul to contradict himself. So "Keeping God's commands" is the same as "faith expressing itself through love" is the same as "the new creation". This all is reconcilable with the commandment to love. Sandwiched between Gal 5:6 and 6:15 is Gal 5:14 stating "For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

This should settle the matter. Synomptically looking 1 Cor 7:19 is a mirror of Gal 5:6 and Gal 6:15 as well as the context of Galatians "God's commandments" is summed up by "Love your neighbor as yourself." which is consistent with the language in 5:14.

The two greatest commandments is inclusive loving God first, which then is used to support a cut-and-paste version of the old covenant law. John 14:14 echos “If you love me, keep my commands." so what is "my commandments" Well this is unpacked in the context itself in 15:12 "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you."

This isn't about throwing out the 10 commandments but these verses don't point to the 10 and why would they? The 10 should not be taught separate from the covenant they are created in, doing such explicitly violates that covenant. Those verses define themselves so why is it we work so hard to ignore its explicitly revealed meaning and point to something that is never revealed?

Matthew 5: 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

I'd say heaven and earth have not yet passed away.

 

[AlightSeeker]

It was replaced like the temple and the law. It was a shadow of the real Sabbath that God is giving us. It's found at the throne of Grace and by doing God's works that he predestined us to do. We rest from our own works

 

[AlightSeeker]

According to my understanding, the temple of our heart and the throne of Grace is where we find our rest. I think those works that we are predestined to walk in may be what is written on our heart.

 

[trophy33]

Commands and ordinances? What translation is that? It is in not and in most transitions. Big big difference.

NSRV:
"He has abolished the law with its commandments and ordinances"

Or NIV:
"by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations"

Or BSB:
"by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees"

Or ISV:
"He rendered the Law inoperative, along with its commandments and regulations"

Greek:
ἐντολή - an order, command, charge, precept, commadment
δόγμα - an opinion, a judgment, doctrine, decree, ordinance

For such questions, you can use biblehub.com and search in parallel translations, its easy and quick, you do not need to ask and wait for response.

 

[trophy33]

Actually Revelation does tell us which set of law its referring read Rev 22:15 and it clearly tells us

My point is that your verse from Revelation says nothing about the Mosaic Law or Sabbath. Commandments do not need to mean the Mosaic ones.

Jesus does not come again twice only once. When Jesus comes every eye will see Him in the clouds, not just some. The saints will meet Him in the air. There are two resurrections, and we should all pray we are in the first resurrection if we are not alive when He comes. God's Word tells us how to be part of the first resurrection.

You frequently say to people that the Bible is what matters, not church traditions or opinions of men. However, you also seem to stick with your specific church tradition when the Bible says something you do not want.

 

[Fervent]

Last Tuesday at 4:15 PM

 

[Gary K]

It was replaced like the temple and the law. It was a shadow of the real Sabbath that God is giving us. It's found at the throne of Grace and by doing God's works that he predestined us to do. We rest from our own works

But what is entering into God's rest? Is entering into God's rest disobeying Him?

Hebrews 3: 15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

Not believing and disobedience are tied at the hip.

 

[Soyeong]

If all of God's righteous laws are eternal, how could there ever be a change in the law?

In Psalms 119:160, it directly states that all of God's righteous laws are eternal, so that is not a matter of "if". The context is speaking of about a change in the priesthood, so the change of the law is in regard to its administration, not in regard to its content. The context is not speaking about changes like it becoming righteous to commit adultery or sinful to help the poor.

As to Leviticus 19:2-3:

Col 2:16 - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

That verse by itself leaves room for two possibilities:

1.) The Colossians were not keeping God's holy days, they were being judged by Jews because they were not, and Paul was encouraging them not to let anyone judge them for not doing that.

2.) The Colossians were keeping God's holy days, they were being judged by pagans because they were doing that, and Paul was encouraging them not to let anyone judge them for obeying God.

In Colossians 2:16-23, Paul described the people who were judging the Colossians as teaching human precepts and traditions, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body, which means that they were being judged by pagans and that #2 is the case. We should be careful not to mistake things that were only said against the teachings of man as being against obeying the commandments of God.

 

[HTacianas]

In Psalms 119:160, it directly states that all of God's righteous laws are eternal, so that is not a matter of "if". The context is speaking of about a change in the priesthood, so the change of the law is in regard to its administration, not in regard to its content. The context is not speaking about changes like it becoming righteous to commit adultery or sinful to help the poor.


That verse by itself leaves room for two possibilities:

1.) The Colossians were not keeping God's holy days, they were being judged by Jews because they were not, and Paul was encouraging them not to let anyone judge them for not doing that.

2.) The Colossians were keeping God's holy days, they were being judged by pagans because they were doing that, and Paul was encouraging them not to let anyone judge them for obeying God.

In Colossians 2:16-23, Paul described the people who were judging the Colossians as teaching human precepts and traditions, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body, which means that they were being judged by pagans and that #2 is the case. We should be careful not to mistake things that were only said against the teachings of man as being against obeying the commandments of God.

Or perhaps all of this has been known to the Church from the beginning and there is no reason to rehash the whole thing ad infinitum.

 

[Gary K]

Or perhaps all of this has been known to the Church from the beginning and there is no reason to rehash the whole thing ad infinitum.

Then why are you discussing it?

 

[HTacianas]

Then why are you discussing it?

Sometimes just for sport. But mainly to help protect my Orthodox brothers and sisters from falling into heresy.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sometimes just for sport. But mainly to help protect my Orthodox brothers and sisters from falling into heresy.

Well, love to neighbor according to scripture is keeping the commandments of God 1 John 5:2. As this is God's Truth Psa 119:151 and one that cannot be altered. Psa 89:34 Deut 4:2. Jesus encourages us to teach others to keep the commandments and to keep them ourselves Mat 5:19

 

[Gary K]

Sometimes just for sport. But mainly to help protect my Orthodox brothers and sisters from falling into heresy.

For sport? That's all you think of your fellow man?

 

[HTacianas]

For sport? That's all you think of your fellow man?

How does that imply my feelings about my fellow man?

 

[Soyeong]

Or perhaps all of this has been known to the Church from the beginning and there is no reason to rehash the whole thing ad infinitum.

In Deuteronomy 13:1-5, the way that God instructed His people to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for Him was if they taught against obeying the Mosaic Law, so if your interpretation of Hebrews 7:12 were correct, the according to God we should consider it to be written by a false prophet. The bottom line is that we must obey God rather than man, so we should be quicker to disregard everything that any man has said than to disregard anything that God has commanded, though the reality is that the authors of the Bible were servants of God who never spoke against obeying anything that God has commanded.

 

[trophy33]

In Deuteronomy 13:1-5, the way that God instructed His people to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for Him was if they taught against obeying the Mosaic Law, so if your interpretation of Hebrews 7:12 were correct, the according to God we should consider it to be written by a false prophet. The bottom line is that we must obey God rather than man, so we should be quicker to disregard everything that any man has said than to disregard anything that God has commanded, though the reality is that the authors of the Bible were servants of God who never spoke against obeying anything that God has commanded.

It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Mt 5:31

You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person.
Mt 5:38

You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven
Mt 5:45

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law...
So the law was our guardian until Christ came...
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."
Gal 3:23-25

"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way
of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."
R 7:6

"So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another"
R 7:4

Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory...
For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.
2 Cor 3:7,11

 

[HTacianas]

In Deuteronomy 13:1-5, the way that God instructed His people to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for Him was if they taught against obeying the Mosaic Law, so if your interpretation of Hebrews 7:12 were correct, the according to God we should consider it to be written by a false prophet. The bottom line is that we must obey God rather than man, so we should be quicker to disregard everything that any man has said than to disregard anything that God has commanded, though the reality is that the authors of the Bible were servants of God who never spoke against obeying anything that God has commanded.

So just who was it that made this wholly arbitrary decision?

 

[IcyChain]

Well I would not say that the Sabbath was abolished. I would say that the Church changed the day of obligatory worship to Saturday just before Sunset, when our Lord was resurrected. The ceremonial aspect (the timing) was changed but the essential obligation to worship one day a week is retained.

 

[trophy33]

Well I would not say that the Sabbath was abolished. I would say that the Church changed the day of obligatory worship to Saturday just before Sunset, when our Lord was resurrected. The ceremonial aspect (the timing) was changed but the essential obligation to worship one day a week is retained.

In the old days before Christ, people had to go to temple to worship God. Since Christ, our bodies are the temple. Places, times, positions are not important anymore.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Well I would not say that the Sabbath was abolished. I would say that the Church changed the day of obligatory worship to Saturday just before Sunset, when our Lord was resurrected. The ceremonial aspect (the timing) was changed but the essential obligation to worship one day a week is retained.

Where is the command from God to do that? Where did Jesus tell anyone of this change? Sounds like a fable Jesus warned us about Mat 15:3-9 Jesus kept the Sabbath even in death and went back to His Fathers work on the first day. His faithful followers kept the Sabbath after His death according to the commandment Luke 23:56 the apostles kept every Sabbath decades after the cross Acts 18:4, Acts 13:42-44 but the change in God's holy Sabbath day was something we were warned about Dan 7:25 and we see how history played out this prophesy perfectly.