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Earth in hot water? Worries over sudden ocean warming spike

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That one was a little flaky. Assignment Earth is a better example. The Enterprise goes back to the 60s, and Kirk and Spock interfere with Gary Seven's mission in exactly the right way for the future to unfold the way it's supposed to, even though they had no idea what they were supposed to be doing.

At the end of that episode, Spock says that that their records show that Gary Seven and Roberta Lincoln will have "interesting experiences in store for them."

That's because that episode was to be a backdoor pilot for the series Assignment Earth.

Which was never produced.
 
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The Gulf is not quite the oceans, but...

Gulf of Mexico waters are hottest on record as coastal areas cook

The exceptionally warm waters are a concern as the hurricane season approaches its peak weeks​


It’s so hot and humid in Louisiana that Gov. John Bel Edwards (D) declared a state of emergency across all of its parishes late Monday.

The heat extends across the entire Gulf Coast. Both Houston and New Orleans posted their hottest periods ever observed over the last week, while most locations in Florida are experiencing their hottest August on record.

In addition to a slew of calendar records, several all-time highs were set Monday, including 108 degrees in Alexandria, La. (tied with one other year)...

[The high land temperatures are associated with the high water temperatures.]

Water temperatures averaged over the entire Gulf of Mexico topped 88 degrees this week, according to Michael Lowry, a hurricane expert for Miami television affiliate WPLG. That’s 2.6 degrees above average and more than a degree above the previous record.

Recent data indicate coastal water temperatures of at least 90 degrees from Texas to Florida.
 
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In addition to a slew of calendar records, several all-time highs were set Monday, including 108 degrees in Alexandria, La. (tied with one other year)...

And this is due to global warming, right? not the tilt of the earth?
 
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And this is due to global warming, right? not the tilt of the earth?
The tilt of the earth has not changed perceptibly over the past 50 years, but global temperatures have.
 
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Americans flocked to Florida for low taxes and sunshine, but an under-the-radar cost of homeownership keeps rising: insurance

  • Due to inflation and severe weather, Florida's insurance rates could increase by up to 40% in 2023.
  • "Florida is a unique marketplace where you see a culmination of hurricanes and severe weather, leading to Floridians paying the highest average insurance premium in the US," Friedlander told Insider. Friedlander said that the average Florida homeowner is paying nearly $6,000 for their property insurance, which is over triple the national average of $1,700.

Chaos outside meeting as Pembroke Pines homeowners protest soaring monthly fees

Residents at the 55+ community Century Village Pembroke Pines said they'll be paying $100-$200 more due to "skyrocketing insurance premiums"​

Hundreds of Pembroke Pines condo owners showed up to a community meeting Wednesday hoping to get an explanation about a monthly fee increase, but the situation got out of control before some could even make it inside.
“So now we are over $700 a month that we are paying just in HOA fees, and they’re going to kick it up to $1,000 a month," resident Joe Hutchinson said. "We have no choice we have to sell. As a matter of fact, I just put my house on the market 10 minutes ago."
Tensions were so high that more than a dozen Pembroke Pines police officers responded to the clubhouse.
 
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Floridians are relocating to the center of the state to try to avoid hurricanes — and high insurance premiums

  • Ocala has the lowest risk of coastal flooding in Florida, analytics platform Climate Alpha found.
  • One real-estate agent has seen an influx of people from South Florida seeking "peace and security."
  • It's an emerging bright spot as the state undergoes an "insurance crisis."
Moody said that the town's reputation for its elevation — nearly 100 feet above sea level [snigger] — has made Ocala an attractive destination for homebuyers.

Jo Anne and Ed Lewis used to get "hunched up" shoulders when hurricane season arrived in their town of Bonita Springs on the west coast of Florida, the Journal reported.

When seeking cover from a hurricane this past August, they happened upon idyllic Ocala and decided to make a new inland home. Significant for the couple, their combined deductible premium — one for home damage and another for hurricane damage — now totals $6,000 compared to the $20,000 for their home in Bonita Springs.
 
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Floridians are relocating to the center of the state to try to avoid hurricanes — and high insurance premiums

  • Ocala has the lowest risk of coastal flooding in Florida, analytics platform Climate Alpha found.
  • One real-estate agent has seen an influx of people from South Florida seeking "peace and security."
  • It's an emerging bright spot as the state undergoes an "insurance crisis."
Moody said that the town's reputation for its elevation — nearly 100 feet above sea level [snigger] — has made Ocala an attractive destination for homebuyers.

Jo Anne and Ed Lewis used to get "hunched up" shoulders when hurricane season arrived in their town of Bonita Springs on the west coast of Florida, the Journal reported.

When seeking cover from a hurricane this past August, they happened upon idyllic Ocala and decided to make a new inland home. Significant for the couple, their combined deductible premium — one for home damage and another for hurricane damage — now totals $6,000 compared to the $20,000 for their home in Bonita Springs.
About 20 Miles from where I live.
When I moved to Florida, one of the things I verified is the flood zone (Flood Zone X) so when the coast evacuates it evacuates to my area.
 
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According to past conversations I've had here, God splitting Pangaea (Eden) up into five major continents would have created enough energy to boil the oceans dry.
If it had happened in a year or two. But the continents move by a few centimenters a year, so the Earth can conduct the heat off safely.
Yet, in His protective way, God protected the earth from its own fiery furnace.
Turns out, He had a very good reason for doing things gradually. As usual, when man tries to outsmart God, God wins in anyway.
 
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Assume seawater will flood your house in the next 100 years, are you going to cry to the government to replace an entire beach to save your house?

That's what people are facing right now (not in the next 100 years) in North Carolina and Florida. Insurers won't pay for it. Local government doesn't have the money for it. The most likely solution (still not cheap) is to buy up the threatened homes and tell the owners to go away. And the ones that won't sell can just vanish into the ocean.

These houses are at risk of falling into the sea. The U.S. government [National Park Service] bought them.

The two houses at the end of East Beacon Road in Rodanthe, N.C., sit precariously at the edge of the pounding surf.

After spending more than $700,000 for the salt-sprayed vacation homes, the federal government plans to promptly tear them down and turn the area into a public beach access.
The move marks a unique and possibly groundbreaking chapter in the deepening dilemma of what to do with imperiled coastal homes, which are becoming only more vulnerable amid rising seas, more intense storms and unceasing erosion.

As long as the houses teetered at the ocean’s edge, visitors couldn’t safely navigate the beach. Turtles and birds couldn’t use that stretch of shore as they normally would. The houses’ septic systems were at repeated risk of inundation. And if or when the homes fell, any collapse posed an environmental and public health threat that would stretch for miles as debris got swept away.

“It will be a safer beach,” Hallac said, adding that once the homes are demolished, he plans to explore the possibility of scaling up this type of approach in nearby areas where shifting sands have left houses at the brink of collapse.

[Beach renourishment would cost $40 million short term and $175 million over 30 years.]

It slightly boggles my mind that both houses were bought by families in 2021. [at least the previous owners got out when the getting was good] One house is currently livable, and the owner made ~$100,000 on the sale (though with the money he sank into the place, he says he broke even). The other house isn't safe, and the owners lost $100,000 on the sale price in addition to money sunk into the house, including relocating a washed out septic system that later washed out again.
 
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Scientists say Florida Keys coral reefs are already bleaching as water temperatures hit record highs

Surface temperatures around the Keys have been averaging about 91 degrees (33 Celsius), well above the normal mid-July average of 85 degrees (29.5 Celsius), said Jacqueline De La Cour, operations manager for NOAA’s Coral Reef Watch program.

Like a hot tub: Water temperatures off Florida soar over 100 degrees, stunning experts

On Monday, a buoy near Manatee Bay recorded an astounding 101.1 degree water temperature, a temperature common for hot tubs.

Coral bleaching is now so extreme, NOAA had to expand their scale for it

The highest on the two-level system, Bleaching Alert Level 2, has for years represented coral catastrophe. That has sufficed — until last summer.

A blistering marine heat wave along Florida’s 360-mile-long reef pushed water temperatures to previously unseen levels: from mid-to-high 90 degrees Fahrenheit, with some shallow waters reaching temperatures above 100 degrees. Some locations experienced complete reef bleaching and forced restoration groups to pull some corals out of the water.

The unprecedented event forced NOAA to add three new alert levels to account for higher mortality rates and bleaching levels. The previous levels were no longer doing an adequate job of showing how extreme the heat stress impacts were on the coral reefs said, Derek Manzello, an ecologist and head of NOAA’s Coral Reef Watch program.

The new most extreme category, Bleaching Alert Level 5, signals near-complete coral mortality, when at least 80 percent of corals in an area are experiencing mortality due to prolonged exposure to extreme temperatures.

Under the old system, Florida and most of the Caribbean were deemed Alert Level 2 for over three months last summer. Under the new system, the Florida Keys would have reached a Level 4 and 5, and the Caribbean would have been declared a Level 5, Manzello said.

For coral restoration managers, the extended alert system serves as a more nuanced tool to better predict different warm water impacts on corals.
 
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It won't be the end of life on Earth. It almost certainly won't even be the end of mankind. But living is going to be a lot more interesting in the coming decades; there will be winners (sub-Saharan Africa) and losers including the United States.
 
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I agree! The climatologists are now fighting misinformation on 2 fronts: the climate Deniers that say there is no climate change and therefore no point trying to do anything about it, and the climate Doomers that say it's already too late - we're extinct in 5 years! So "eat drink and be merry - for tomorrow we die!" In other words - there's no point doing anything. The last Aaron Sorkin show "The Newsroom" had this great scene - did you see it?


So I agree that it is not be the end of the human race. Some nations might collapse into Mad Max - others might actually benefit! Well - let me rephrase that - if they can survive the waves of immigration - some of their sectors might benefit (EG: Canadian agriculture, access to the Arctic, etc).

However, my understanding is that SSA (Sub-Saharan Africa) and basically any poor nation probably don't have the right economic infrastructure to deal with climate change - and certainly don't have the money and resources to adapt to it. Check this out!

5. Conclusion​

The key findings from the literature reviewed in this study are that extreme weather events resulting from climate change have a direct impact on agricultural production (Mashizha, 2019), because of the climate-dependent nature of agricultural systems. Agriculture is the major occupation in SSA countries; this makes them more vulnerable to climate change, especially so with regard to the livelihoods of both farmers and herders (Apraku et al., 2021, Eleblu et al., 2020). The impacts of drought are particularly significant in many SSA countries, where agriculture constitutes employment and the main source of income for the majority of the population. Extreme events pose a danger to people's lives, livestock and the ecosystem. Such events may perhaps trigger more of the already high rates of under-nutrition and infectious disease in the region. Assessment of relevant literature and climate change projections for SSA countries points to warmer temperature trends with frequent occurrence of extreme heat events, decline in rainfall, and increased aridity in the southern and eastern regions. A reduction of land suitable for agriculture has been projected in the next few decades, as many lands with high agricultural potential in SSA are becoming arid. Extreme events have been predicted to occur more often in Africa in the next century as a result of climate change. Drought is a major extreme weather event which threatens livestock sustainability in SSA, as climate determines the composition of pasture which in turn determines the level of fodder self-sufficiency and its sustainability. What is obvious from the literature is that the analysis of climate extremes such as drought is complex and is affected strongly by the balance between precipitation and evapotranspiration and the concomitant effect on soil moisture. The regional drought record has been observed to be driven by increased temperatures combined with low precipitation and reduced soil moisture. Studies have reported the impacts of drought on both crop and livestock production in many parts of SSA. The majority of these studies have noted ways by which extreme climatic events can affect agricultural productivity, but patterns of vulnerability, exposure, hazard and risk vary among countries and within different agro-ecological zones of SSA. With the increase in temperature and precipitation erratically distributed across sub-Saharan Africa, agricultural production has been declining within recent decades, particularly wherever drought events are frequent. There is a high likelihood that the hydro-climatological patterns of different ecological zones in SSA would be altered as a result of climate change, with consequences for the availability of water resources for the agricultural sector (The Ministry of Environment of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, 2003). All of these combine to affect water resources, including groundwater and surface water, in specific ways (Carrière et al., 2021, Ayanlade et al., 2022). It is clear from the present study that SSA is one of the most vulnerable regions to extreme climate events, as the livelihoods of the majority of the population depend on rainfed agriculture, yet many smallholder farmers lack adequate technology to adapt to extreme climate events. Thus, the vulnerability of SSA countries to climate change is high, because of their low capacity to adapt to climate change. Adaptive capacities of farmers to climatic change are higher in the developed countries than the developing countries because of their access to more technology. There is a need for effective technology transfer from the Global North to the South, to encourage building resilience and enhance adaptive capacity in SSA countries.
 
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Hurricane season is months away, but the waters where hurricanes roam haven’t received the memo. Ocean temperatures in the North Atlantic are historically warm for this early in the year, raising the risk of a hyperactive storm season that could also be supercharged by a budding La Niña.

Sea surface temperatures across the North Atlantic Ocean reached a level unheard of for February earlier this month: 1 degree Celsius above what’s typical, and more akin to June than February. They were even higher in the part where most Atlantic hurricanes form, reaching July-like levels from West Africa to Central America.

North Atlantic temperatures typically only go up from here, climbing in spring and reaching a maximum in early fall when hurricane season also peaks. And they are “almost certainly” going to continue to be warmer-than-normal into the summer, McNoldy said.

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North Atlantic temperatures typically only go up from here, climbing in spring and reaching a maximum in early fall when hurricane season also peaks. And they are “almost certainly” going to continue to be warmer-than-normal into the summer, McNoldy said.
And storm severity is driven by temperature.
 
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According to past conversations I've had here, God splitting Pangaea (Eden) up into five major continents would have created enough energy to boil the oceans dry.
Except the bible doesn't say it happened the way YOU want it to have happened, and science shows us this process took about 300 million years to get to where we are today.

It's not our fault you can't understand what genre of literature Genesis is. It makes for bad theology and a mockery of the scientific method that Christians largely invented!
 
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Except the bible doesn't say it happened the way YOU want it to have happened,

Then by all means, employ your science and show me how it did happen.

... and science shows us this process took about 300 million years to get to where we are today.

Whoa, chief!

Peleg only lived 239 years.

And the Bible says the earth was divided in Peleg's days.

For the record, do you know what "Peleg" means?

division
 
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Then by all means, employ your science and show me how it did happen.
There's no point discussing science with you when your blinkers are set by an inaccurate understanding of how to read Genesis.


Six days

Both atheistic evolutionists and literalistic creationists want you to read Genesis the same way, but is there a different take on the foundational book of the Bible?
Last season we brought you John Lennox, talking about the compatibility of faith and a scientific mind, and Ard Louis discussing the evidence for a rational universe … but we sidestepped one obvious debate. Creation versus evolution – 6 days versus 13.8 billion years – young earthers vs. ancient universe-ers. It’s a pretty hot argument in the minds of some believers and non-believers alike. Sometimes both sides think there’s only one way to take Genesis, and that’s at face value.
This episode, though, we talk to Professor C. John Collins, Professor of Old Testament at Covenant Theological Seminary, who suggests there’s another way that honours both the message and the intellect.

Professor C. John Collins is Professor of Old Testament at Covenant Theological Seminary. He has served as the Old Testament chair on the translation committee for the English Standard Version of the Bible, as well as the Old Testament Editor for the ESV Study Bible. Before coming to Covenant Seminary in 1993, Dr. Collins served as a church planter in Spokane, Washington. His background also includes advanced studies in linguistics and biblical languages, and practical experience in Bible study and discipleship ministry. He has written extensively on biblical languages and interpretation, and on science and the Christian faith.

 
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