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Does learning about evolution make you uncomfortable?

Does learning about evolution make you uncomfortable?

  • I am an evolutionist and learning about evolution makes me uncomfortable.

    Votes: 1 2.2%
  • I am an evolutionist and learning about evolution does NOT make me uncomfortable.

    Votes: 34 73.9%
  • I am an creationist and learning about evolution makes me uncomfortable.

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • I am an creationist and learning about evolution does NOT make me uncomfortable.

    Votes: 9 19.6%

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FrumiousBandersnatch

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I've had a couple college biology courses. Frankly, I'm not fond of biology. It's a messy science. They like to come up with complicated terms like "chemiosmotic phosphorylation". Compare that to terms like "strange quarks" in physics.

Still, I enjoyed the genetics parts. As I developed a better understanding of genetics, biologic evolution made a lot more sense to me.
Biology has wonderful names:

An Australian wasp called Aha ha
An Australian sea horse called Pharlapiscus after the racehorse Phal Lap
A fly called Phthiria relativity (a pun on 'The Theory of Relativity')
A fossil moth called Carmenelectra shechisme (Carmen Electra she kiss me)
A fly called Pieza kake (piece of cake)
A salamander called Oedipus complex
Spiders named after celebrities: Calponia Harrisonfordi, Pachygnatha Zappa
A tree frog called Hyla stingi (yes, after Sting)
Beetles called Agathidium bushi, A. cheneyi, A. rumsfeldi
Beetles called Agra nation, Agra cadabra, Agra phobia, Agra sasquatch, Agra yeti, Agra ichabod
A beetle called Colon rectum
A genus of molluscs called Ittibitium
A snail called Ba humbugi
A single-cell creature called Kamera lens
A mushroom called Spongiforma squarepantsii
An extinct parrot called Vini vidivici
 
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LOL funny,.. real funny. XD
I'm glad you took it that way. It was meant to be in humor.
Rose2020 said:
In all seriousness though can't you see that as being plausible? I mean I'm pretty sure that humans from today didn't look anything like humans back before Jesus' time. With time things just naturally evolve I think. Hence why I believe God set evolution in place.
I'm a six-day literal creationist with a twist:

I believe God embedded age into His creation as a way of fine tuning it.

Thus the earth was created in 4004 BC, but created old.

2 Peter 3:5a 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old,
 
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I'm glad you took it that way. It was meant to be in humor.I'm a six-day literal creationist with a twist:

I believe God embedded age into His creation as a way of fine tuning it.

Thus the earth was created in 4004 BC, but created old.

2 Peter 3:5a 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old,






Huh?? What do you mean?? (Anyway it doesn't matter if we have different beliefs a little bit because I actually do like you. :) )
 
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Anyways, even though we might disagree sometimes I'm getting kind of fond of you I have to admit. :)
Thanks!

People either like me or dislike me.

It comes with the territory! :/
 
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I'm glad you took it that way. It was meant to be in humor.I'm a six-day literal creationist with a twist:

I believe God embedded age into His creation as a way of fine tuning it.

Thus the earth was created in 4004 BC, but created old.

2 Peter 3:5a 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old,
I believe that is the only tenable position for a creationist.
 
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Thanks!

People either like me or dislike me.

It comes with the territory! :/



I can't help it you've grown on me lol anyways please explain what you meant about your beliefs more because I'm curious. Btw, no offense or anything but your avatar gives me the creeps, but I like being scared so,... Yeah. XD
 
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I'm glad you took it that way. It was meant to be in humor.I'm a six-day literal creationist with a twist:

And oh what a twist it is.

I believe God embedded age into His creation as a way of fine tuning it.

AKA cognitive dissonance. He's found a way to square the circle so he can sleep at night.


Thus the earth was created in 4004 BC, but created old.

Unfortunately for AV, this is a ridiculous assertion. One for which he has no evidence, but in fact ALL available evidence demonstrates this to be false.
 
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And oh what a twist it is.



AKA cognitive dissonance. He's found a way to square the circle so he can sleep at night.




Unfortunately for AV, this is a ridiculous assertion. One for which he has no evidence, but in fact ALL available evidence demonstrates this to be false.
Actually, it's unfalsifiable. The entire universe and us and everything with all the evidence of great age and evolution was created last Thursday... Oops, I mean in 4004 BC, and there is no proving otherwise.
 
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Actually, it's unfalsifiable. The entire universe and us and everything with all the evidence of great age and evolution was created last Thursday... Oops, I mean in 4004 BC, and there is no proving otherwise.
I was alluding to that fact our earth is 5.54 BYO, not 6k.
 
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And oh what a twist it is.



AKA cognitive dissonance. He's found a way to square the circle so he can sleep at night.





Uh,... If you're referring to God, He never sleeps.
 
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I was alluding to that fact our earth is 5.54 BYO, not 6k.
No. It appears to the most exhaustive scientific examination as if it was 5.54 billion years old. But that was an illusion created by God. The only way that you can know that the Earth is only 6K years old is by having the right kind of faith in the Bible. I think it's supposed to be some kind of a test, to see who's faith is strong enough to merit salvation.
 
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I will answer the question in the first post. I have to tell of the time I believe I truly did learn about evolution. You see, I had believed in evolution since about 12 years old. Then years later I became a Christian. One day I saw the obvious: Evolution and the Bible's account of creation were totally incompatible. I remember exactly what I thought, "I can't see how evolution could possibly not be true." But I decided, to be fair minded, to look outside the box.

I got a book by a science award winner who used to mock his students in a university if they didn't believe in evolution, a Dr. Gary Parker who later rejected evolution and wrote Creation Facts of Life. I felt I really learned about evolution then, from that book! Did it make me feel uncomfortable? Well, just a tiny bit because I fell off the couch laughing at how absurd the theory seemed to me by the time I finished it.

I got very interested in the topic after that and learned a lot more about evolution. I'll sum some of it up below. Did it make me feel uncomfortable? Well, not in the way the OP thinks, but it did make me concerned for our populace.

I got very interested in peer reviews for evolutionism. Here is just a smattering of what I discovered.

They say peer reviews prove evolution. Do they mean like when they told you that the dark Peppered Moth was showing evolution, but, there had always been dark moths and it was exactly the same species as before the industrial revolution, and still exactly the same species as its lighter variety?

You mean like when tons of peer reviews hailed the "extinct" Coelacanth as a "transition" between fish and tetrapods, and then a live one was found and it was nothing but 100% a fish? You can see the pretty blue fish swimming around on You Tube.

You mean like when they tell you that antibiotic resistant bacteria, or nylon eating bacteria, are showing evolution, but they are still just bacteria? Or, if not, what non bacterial type life form are they "evolving" into?

Bacteria have been observed since 1670 and ancient fossilized examples have been found. No matter how much they change, they stay bacteria in their bacterial domain. Always.

You mean like when they told you that the tonsils and appendix were "vestigial" based on no evidence whatsoever? The children who were most likely to suffer from the polio epidemic last century were those who had their "useless, vestigial" tonsils removed. Real science has shown that the tonsils and the appendix are highly useful for immunological purposes, particularly for children.

You mean like the peer reviews about the "horse evolution" series which shows animals from different continents, supposedly all connected, with toe numbers that go up and down until we get to the modern day horse?

You mean like the glut of peer reviews that say - just as they did with Coelacanth - that Tiktaalik is a wonderful transition from fish to tetrapod? But check it out on Wiki. It is described as an extinct species of...lobe finned FISH. Period. The evidence that it had a single descendant that was significantly different from it in any way whatsoever it nowhere to be found.

You mean like the peer reviews on Miller & Urey in the 60s who claimed they had shown life could come from inorganic material because they got some amino acids? The kinds of amino acids they got kill life. Further there are gazillons of amino acids on asteroids, on some planetary bodies, in supplement bottles, and all over planet earth. Not one has ever done anything to cause a single cell to spring into life. Not even close. They all stay nothing but amino acids.

Mark Armitage discovered some soft tissue in a dino bone - one of many such examples being discovered more and more - and had that published in two standard science journals. Shortly thereafter someone from his university stormed into his office saying they were having no religious fanaticism in their school, and he was fired. He had never even mentioned religion in his two peer reviewed articles, but oh well, he sued the university and won.

Contrary to what many think, creationists do get published and peer reviewed in standard science journals. However, this is not common as there is an extreme prejudice against them. For example, there are the science mags that flat out say "We will NOT publish any creationist writings!" After that they turn around and say "How can you trust them? They never get published!"

I also learned about logical fallacies and became convinced evolutionism is founded on them, especially Presuming Omniscience and Correlation Does Not Imply Causation, but many more logical fallacies.

No learning about evolution has not made me uncomfortable in the way assumed in the OP. It has given me more faith in the reliability of the Bible though!

As I said on another string I'm not going to debate. I have found it useless. "Let those see who have eyes to see."

Blessings and bye!
 
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I will answer the question in the first post. I have to tell of the time I believe I truly did learn about evolution. You see, I had believed in evolution since about 12 years old. Then years later I became a Christian. One day I saw the obvious: Evolution and the Bible's account of creation were totally incompatible. I remember exactly what I thought, "I can't see how evolution could possibly not be true." But I decided, to be fair minded, to look outside the box.

I got a book by a science award winner who used to mock his students in a university if they didn't believe in evolution, a Dr. Gary Parker who later rejected evolution and wrote Creation Facts of Life. I felt I really learned about evolution then, from that book! Did it make me feel uncomfortable? Well, just a tiny bit because I fell off the couch laughing at how absurd the theory seemed to me by the time I finished it.

I got very interested in the topic after that and learned a lot more about evolution. I'll sum some of it up below. Did it make me feel uncomfortable? Well, not in the way the OP thinks, but it did make me concerned for our populace.

I got very interested in peer reviews for evolutionism. Here is just a smattering of what I discovered.

They say peer reviews prove evolution. Do they mean like when they told you that the dark Peppered Moth was showing evolution, but, there had always been dark moths and it was exactly the same species as before the industrial revolution, and still exactly the same species as its lighter variety?

You mean like when tons of peer reviews hailed the "extinct" Coelacanth as a "transition" between fish and tetrapods, and then a live one was found and it was nothing but 100% a fish? You can see the pretty blue fish swimming around on You Tube.

You mean like when they tell you that antibiotic resistant bacteria, or nylon eating bacteria, are showing evolution, but they are still just bacteria? Or, if not, what non bacterial type life form are they "evolving" into?

Bacteria have been observed since 1670 and ancient fossilized examples have been found. No matter how much they change, they stay bacteria in their bacterial domain. Always.

You mean like when they told you that the tonsils and appendix were "vestigial" based on no evidence whatsoever? The children who were most likely to suffer from the polio epidemic last century were those who had their "useless, vestigial" tonsils removed. Real science has shown that the tonsils and the appendix are highly useful for immunological purposes, particularly for children.

You mean like the peer reviews about the "horse evolution" series which shows animals from different continents, supposedly all connected, with toe numbers that go up and down until we get to the modern day horse?

You mean like the glut of peer reviews that say - just as they did with Coelacanth - that Tiktaalik is a wonderful transition from fish to tetrapod? But check it out on Wiki. It is described as an extinct species of...lobe finned FISH. Period. The evidence that it had a single descendant that was significantly different from it in any way whatsoever it nowhere to be found.

You mean like the peer reviews on Miller & Urey in the 60s who claimed they had shown life could come from inorganic material because they got some amino acids? The kinds of amino acids they got kill life. Further there are gazillons of amino acids on asteroids, on some planetary bodies, in supplement bottles, and all over planet earth. Not one has ever done anything to cause a single cell to spring into life. Not even close. They all stay nothing but amino acids.

Mark Armitage discovered some soft tissue in a dino bone - one of many such examples being discovered more and more - and had that published in two standard science journals. Shortly thereafter someone from his university stormed into his office saying they were having no religious fanaticism in their school, and he was fired. He had never even mentioned religion in his two peer reviewed articles, but oh well, he sued the university and won.

Contrary to what many think, creationists do get published and peer reviewed in standard science journals. However, this is not common as there is an extreme prejudice against them. For example, there are the science mags that flat out say "We will NOT publish any creationist writings!" After that they turn around and say "How can you trust them? They never get published!"

I also learned about logical fallacies and became convinced evolutionism is founded on them, especially Presuming Omniscience and Correlation Does Not Imply Causation, but many more logical fallacies.

No learning about evolution has not made me uncomfortable in the way assumed in the OP. It has given me more faith in the reliability of the Bible though!

As I said on another string I'm not going to debate. I have found it useless. "Let those see who have eyes to see."

Blessings and bye!

Have you read David Reich's book Who We Are and How We Got Here? Assuming you have, what to you make of our DNA history and human evolution?
 
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I'll just pick one item from your word salad (really, if you would make only one claim at a time discussion would be easier.)
You mean like when they tell you that antibiotic resistant bacteria, or nylon eating bacteria, are showing evolution, but they are still just bacteria? Or, if not, what non bacterial type life form are they "evolving" into?

Bacteria have been observed since 1670 and ancient fossilized examples have been found. No matter how much they change, they stay bacteria in their bacterial domain. Always.
That is correct and exactly what the theory of evolution predicts. No one knows what they may eventually evolve into, but they will still be bacteria. They will never become members of either of the other two domains.
 
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"Right you are, Ken."





Is that some kind of saying? My name is Rose. (Actually if you want to get technical my first name is actually April but I just prefer it and might wind up changing my username to April__Rose at some point,.. but point being I'm a girl and neither of my names are Ken XD)
 
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These polls never have the correct answer on them.

I'm a creationist and learning about the fairy tale of evolution is a waste of time.

There you go, I added the correct answer for you. I love how you think its to do with comfort. I was an evolutionist for 25 years, that was quite enough wasted time. Now I prefer to spend my time learning something like crochet or gardening, something actually of value.
 
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Is that some kind of saying? My name is Rose. (Actually if you want to get technical my first name is actually April but I just prefer it and might wind up changing my username to April__Rose at some point,.. but point being I'm a girl and neither of my names are Ken XD)
It's a catchphrase from a tv show.
 
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