The "unified" theory of evolution

[AV1611VET]

It's important to know the difference between what the Bible says, and what we interpret it to say. Forget this, and you end up in all sorts of difficulties.

Ya ... like believing Jesus walked on water, healed the sick, raised the dead, and fed thousands and thousands of people from a picnic basket?

 

[Bradskii]

Every now and then a thread comes up discussing evolution. And every now and then I think 'Ah, this one might be different. Maybe it'll be an interesting discussion'.

Fat chance. As per usual this one is being trolled to the max. Unsubscribing.

 

[Zceptre]

Every now and then a thread comes up discussing evolution. And every now and then I think 'Ah, this one might be different. Maybe it'll be an interesting discussion'.

Fat chance. As per usual this one is being trolled to the max. Unsubscribing.

Aww, come on Bradskii... I wasn't even in this thread. lol

The sarcastic discontent really gave me a giggle. . . .

 

[The Barbarian]

Ya ... like believing Jesus walked on water, healed the sick, raised the dead, and fed thousands and thousands of people from a picnic basket?

Here, you're assuming that because God sometimes uses miracles, He is obligated to do everything as a miracle. Do you not see that miracles are given to teach us things, and not because God can't use nature to effect His will?

 

[The Barbarian]

Every now and then a thread comes up discussing evolution. And every now and then I think 'Ah, this one might be different. Maybe it'll be an interesting discussion'.

Fat chance. As per usual this one is being trolled to the max. Unsubscribing.

Well yes. But the trolls serve an important role in the discussion by making it clear what most YECs actually think. Dealing with it takes a lot of patience, but Simplicio was as important as Sagredo in Galileo's story.

And I'm a very patient guy.

 

[AV1611VET]

Every now and then a thread comes up discussing evolution. And every now and then I think 'Ah, this one might be different. Maybe it'll be an interesting discussion'.

Fat chance. As per usual this one is being trolled to the max. Unsubscribing.

If you think this thread started out interesting, why did you say this after the first six words:

I nearly stopped reading right there.

 

[dlamberth]

Ya ... like believing Jesus walked on water, healed the sick, raised the dead, and fed thousands and thousands of people from a picnic basket?

There's a very big difference between the Divine actions of Jesus and of your projecting your own imagination onto your interpretation.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ya ... like believing Jesus walked on water, healed the sick, raised the dead, and fed thousands and thousands of people from a picnic basket?

There's a very big difference between the Divine actions of Jesus and of your projecting your own imagination onto your interpretation.

Go ahead.

Tell me the difference.

Tell me the difference between the divine action of Jesus walking on water, and I saying Jesus walked on water.

 

[dlamberth]

Go ahead.

Tell me the difference.

Tell me the difference between the divine action of Jesus walking on water, and I saying Jesus walked on water.

Well, there's Jesus walking on water on the one hand and than there's your imagination of angels throwing asteroids around through out the Universe and lets not forget embedded age as just a couple of examples. To use the divine actions of Jesus to justify your own imagination creates all sorts of difficulties of interpretations as @The Barbarian was suggesting.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, there's Jesus walking on water on the one hand and than there's your imagination of angels throwing asteroids around through out the Universe ...

In the meantime, please tell me the "very big difference" between the divine act of Jesus walking on water, and I saying Jesus walked on water.

 

[dlamberth]

In the meantime, please tell me the "very big difference" between the divine act of Jesus walking on water, and I saying Jesus walked on water.

It's about your use of Jesus walking on water in order to project your justifications of imaginary interpretations as if they are at the same level of the divine actions of Jesus.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's about your use of Jesus walking on water in order to project your justifications of imaginary interpretations as if they are at the same level of the divine actions of Jesus.

I'll withdraw the question, if it's too tough for you.

 

[Bradskii]

Well yes. But the trolls serve an important role in the discussion by making it clear what most YECs actually think. Dealing with it takes a lot of patience, but Simplicio was as important as Sagredo in Galileo's story.

And I'm a very patient guy.

What I'm going to say wouldn't apply to for you...but I am invariably frustrated by the ignorance that some people exhibit in these threads. And, not to beat about the bush, the sheer idiocy of some of the statements that some make. And involving myself in these discussions I invariably have to show that I know something about the subject. And there's a part of me, maybe the devil on the one shoulder as opposed to the angel on the other, with the angel saying 'Patience, be gentle, explain it as best you can'. Whereas the devil is whispering 'You know so much more than these people. Keep going. Prove to them how much smarter you are!'

The better angel of my nature doesn't always win out, and I have this uneasy feeling that I'm listening more to the devil than I should.

 

[The Barbarian]

The better angel of my nature doesn't always win out, and I have this uneasy feeling that I'm listening more to the devil than I should.

Sometimes one has to tread a narrow path between condescension and bluntness. I can only try, although I often fail.

 

[The Barbarian]

Is there an instance when an ape... is not an ape?

Proconsul:

Proconsul (mammal) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not quite a monkey, not quite an ape. One of the transitionals mentioned by YEC Dr. Kurt Wise as being very good evidence for evolution.

 

[The Barbarian]

Stop it, stop it, I wanna get off!

Again, I say, proof?

Humans and chimps are genetically more closely related to each other than either is to any other ape. Humans and chimps are a clade within the great apes.

Then there's the way chromosomes sort out. Chromosomes are just chains of genes. These can change over time by fusions of two or by breakage of one into two. But when we look at the chromosomes of great apes...

Notice that two ape chromosomes look just like one human chromosome. (#2) Otherwise, each chromosome lines up nicely, showing all great apes, including humans, have a relatively recent common ancestor. But even better than that, on human chromosome 2, there are remains of telomeres (chromosome ends) right where they would be if there was a fusion. Now YECs say it was just random chance. But we're talking about thousands of genes. If you calculate the chance of even a thousand things randomly sorting out identically again and again, you're getting into things so unlikely as to be logically impossible.

Then there's the case of the pollicis longus muscle.
J Hum Evol 2012 Jul;63(1):64-78

Or wisdom teeth. They fit nicely into the jaws of other apes, but humans have reduced faces, which usually can't accomodate those teeth evolved for bigger jaws.

Lots more. Want to see more?

 

[Shemjaza]

Who taught it to them?

Ultimately scientists (of all creeds) publish their work and it it gets out through the population though various means of education either official or not.

Does that go for mifepristone and misoprostol as well?

As far as I know there isn't any debate about the common use and behavior of these medications? It's a chemical abortion.

I'd have thought that you disagree with the morality about this action, but not the reality?

 

[Joseph G]

Humans and chimps are genetically more closely related to each other than either is to any other ape. Humans and chimps are a clade within the great apes.

Then there's the way chromosomes sort out. Chromosomes are just chains of genes. These can change over time by fusions of two or by breakage of one into two. But when we look at the chromosomes of great apes...
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Notice that two ape chromosomes look just like one human chromosome. (#2) Otherwise, each chromosome lines up nicely, showing all great apes, including humans, have a relatively recent common ancestor. But even better than that, on human chromosome 2, there are remains of telomeres (chromosome ends) right where they would be if there was a fusion. Now YECs say it was just random chance. But we're talking about thousands of genes. If you calculate the chance of even a thousand things randomly sorting out identically again and again, you're getting into things so unlikely as to be logically impossible.

Then there's the case of the pollicis longus muscle.
J Hum Evol 2012 Jul;63(1):64-78

Or wisdom teeth. They fit nicely into the jaws of other apes, but humans have reduced faces, which usually can't accomodate those teeth evolved for bigger jaws.

Lots more. Want to see more?

Nope. Not interested in science fiction, thanks.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Nope. Not interested in science fiction, thanks.

Proverbs 18:2

 

[dlamberth]

Nope. Not interested in science fiction, thanks.

God's Creation as created by God is science fiction?