Nazis Return to Charlottesville

[SummerMadness]

This is a thread about white supremacists marching in Virginia. Any attempt to make this discussion about antifascists is simple deflection. It is pure whataboutism to make the groups moral equivalent, but they're not equivalent. There was a poor attempt to argue that saying they're not morally equivalent means you're saying one is worse (neo-Nazis), thus making actions of the other (antifa) irrelevant, but no one made that argument. The only thing that is clear is that the groups are not morally equivalent.

But what about that broken window? What about that property damage? Yes, those are bad things, but that still does not make them morally equivalent to neo-Nazis.

And it's easy to see why white supremacists are an issue:
Assault victim recounts alleged attack by white supremacist in Spokane: ‘He’s gonna kill me’
Neo-Nazi pleads guilty to explosives charges
Third white supremacist arrested in Charlottesville garage beating of a black man
Investigation into Arkansas-based white supremacist group leads to dozens of arrests, authorities say
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/hate-report-another-white-man-accused-of-randomly-killing-black-men/
Court records: Man charged in Dumfries church hate crime also left note at mall
Man charged with hate crime in alleged Glen Burnie assault
Man enters not guilty pleas in hate crime case
UPDATE: Two adults charged with a hate crime involving teen in West Virginia

You can spend all your energy arguing that a rapist and a shoplifter are no different because they both committed crimes, but the rest of us know they are not morally equivalent.

And if you're going to complain about the fallacy of relative privation, feel free to argue that point the next time police brutality is discussed and someone attempt to bring up the faux argument of "black-on-black" crime.

 

[Ana the Ist]

This is a thread about white supremacists marching in Virginia. Any attempt to make this discussion about antifascists is simple deflection. It is pure whataboutism to make the groups moral equivalent, but they're not equivalent. There was a poor attempt to argue that saying they're not morally equivalent means you're saying one is worse (neo-Nazis), thus making actions of the other (antifa) irrelevant, but no one made that argument. The only thing that is clear is that the groups are not morally equivalent.

But what about that broken window? What about that property damage? Yes, those are bad things, but that still does not make them morally equivalent to neo-Nazis.

And it's easy to see why white supremacists are an issue:
Assault victim recounts alleged attack by white supremacist in Spokane: ‘He’s gonna kill me’
Neo-Nazi pleads guilty to explosives charges
Third white supremacist arrested in Charlottesville garage beating of a black man
Investigation into Arkansas-based white supremacist group leads to dozens of arrests, authorities say
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/hate-report-another-white-man-accused-of-randomly-killing-black-men/
Court records: Man charged in Dumfries church hate crime also left note at mall
Man charged with hate crime in alleged Glen Burnie assault
Man enters not guilty pleas in hate crime case
UPDATE: Two adults charged with a hate crime involving teen in West Virginia

You can spend all your energy arguing that a rapist and a shoplifter are no different because they both committed crimes, but the rest of us know they are not morally equivalent.

And if you're going to complain about the fallacy of relative privation, feel free to argue that point the next time police brutality is discussed and someone attempt to bring up the faux argument of "black-on-black" crime.

I know you're trying to pad this list to make nazis seem like a bigger problem than they are...but you included people who aren't nazis. The Glen Burnie incident for example makes no mention of any ties to any white supremacists.

As for mentioning antifa, if you go back to the beginning of the thread you'll see they were brought up as part of a discussion on how to "deal" with white supremacists.

 

[super animator]

There was a poor attempt to argue that saying they're not morally equivalent means you're saying one is worse (neo-Nazis), thus making actions of the other (antifa) irrelevant, but no one made that argument.

Not arguments, but rather excuses. Which I seen being made by other posters.

 

[Ringo84]

If you're going to use the term "Nazis" in your thread title, you better believe that term is going to be called into question.



So, were they Swastika flags or Confederate flags flown at your rallies? The Confederate battle flag, (btw, a Southern Democrat flag, battling for the right to own slaves, and exclusive to the US), is completely different from the Nazi flag, flown in Germany and stood for the extermination, encampment and exile of any Jew from the region. You do realize the difference, right?



No debate on this. I am merely asking you for your definition of "Nazi", since you used it in your OP title. The term has become so watered down of late, it has gotten to the point for some that one is either a progressive or a Nazi, with no middle ground and no room for discussion. And reducing it to that level is a true insult and an affront to all who suffered under the true Nazi regime.

"My" rallies? I'm not one of the ones who was protesting on August the 12th.

But these people were, and they didn't make any secret what they were:

These are the people who are equivalent to antifa because of a couple of broken windows.
Ringo

 

[Ana the Ist]

These are the people who are equivalent to antifa because of a couple of broken windows.
Ringo

Strawman

 

[SummerMadness]

The false equivalence is sickening.

A Man Who Hated Black Men Found a Victim Who Cared for Others
White Supremacist Arraigned For Portland, Ore., Train Murders
Alt-right leaders head to Portland as white supremacist faces trial for murders of men who defended Muslim and black girls
University of Maryland stabbing: Suspect is a member of 'Alt-Reich' FB group, police say

But it's not surprising since the president routinely ignores the crimes of this murderous group.

 

[mark kennedy]

"My" rallies? I'm not one of the ones who was protesting on August the 12th.

But these people were, and they didn't make any secret what they were:

These are the people who are equivalent to antifa because of a couple of broken windows.
Ringo

Wow Ringo, thanks for the dramatic and disturbing images, awesome reality check. They talk about the Nazis in Germany but Hitler's closest allies in Italy were mostly Catholic. As a Christian it's grievous and deeply disturbing that professing Christians could succumb to such mindless hate and violence. One of the Klansman is holding up a sign that says, 'Jews are Satan's Children', that's pure unmitigated blasphemy. Like all people, some were children of perdition and some were prophets and apostles.

The New Testament teaches that there is no difference. The Jews exist because God created them and has never, nor will he ever, abandon them. Calling them children of Satan is blasphemy, some are and some are not. By their fruits you shall know them and this kind of venom comes only from that old serpent, the Devil, the father of lies and a murderer from the beginning.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[Rion]

Wee bit more than a few broken windows.

 

[KCfromNC]

"Manufactured controversy"?

So in your mind...the emergence of a group that proudly uses violence to silence it's political opponents, nazi or not, is a whole lot of nothing?

No. I'm saying it is blown way out of proportion as a way to distract from actual Nazi and KKK marches where people opposing those groups are murdered. Why anyone would want to do that is a mystery to me.

Do you want page and post numbers? Ringo is all over this thread supporting them.

Whatever you like.

 

[KCfromNC]

Wee bit more than a few broken windows.

Hey look, a faked picture used to distract from a neo-Nazi murdering someone who dared to oppose them : FACT CHECK: Antifa Member Photographed Beating Police Officer?

But remember, I'm the crazy one for thinking that this Antifa panic is some sort of manufactured controversy.

 

[Rion]

Hey look, a faked picture used to distract from a neo-Nazi murdering someone who dared to oppose them : FACT CHECK: Antifa Member Photographed Beating Police Officer?

But remember, I'm the crazy one for thinking that this Antifa panic is some sort of manufactured controversy.

Okay, I made a mistake when I got up to get a drink of water in the middle of the night, shame on me. Now, were the other ones fake?

Were these fake?

Yeah, nothing but an evil conspiracy to distract from the Reptoid nazi takeover of America.

 

[SummerMadness]

Okay, I made a mistake when I got up to get a drink of water in the middle of the night, shame on me. Now, were the other ones fake?

Were these fake?

Yeah, nothing but an evil conspiracy to distract from the Reptoid nazi takeover of America.

Just because they're not fake images does not mean they are morally equivalent to neo-Nazis.

 

[super animator]

Just because they're not fake images does not mean they are morally equivalent to neo-Nazis.

Irrelevant distinguish statement, also "not as bad as" fallacy.

 

[SummerMadness]

Irrelevant distinguish statement, also "not as bad as" fallacy.

You don't even understand what you're arguing, you're simply repeating not as bad fallacy.

 

[super animator]

You don't even understand what you're arguing, you're simply repeating not as bad fallacy.

"You don't know what your talking about", that tells me that I won the argument as you have nothing to rebuttal.

 

[SummerMadness]

"You don't know what your talking about", that tells me that I won the argument as you have nothing to rebuttal.

You have not explained how what presented is a fallacy, you're simply repeating the name of the fallacy and claiming victory. I'm unsurprised by this attitude.

 

[super animator]

You have not explained how what presented is a fallacy

I did via link, which it clear to me that you didn't read it. Here is it again.

 

[SummerMadness]

I did via link, which it clear to me that you didn't read it. Here is it again.

Linking to something without arguing your point... as I said, you have not presented an argument.

Let's just save the back and forth, I'm simply ignoring your posts until you actually present an argument that isn't simply a link. Claim victory if that helps your ego, I don't care.

 

[super animator]

Linking to something without arguing your point... as I said, you have not presented an argument.

Not an argument, rather an explanation. Here the explanation that explain the fallacy that I quoted for you, paraphrased.

"If something is worse than the problem currently being discussed, then the problem currently being discussed isn't that important at all"

 

[rambot]

Okay, I made a mistake when I got up to get a drink of water in the middle of the night, shame on me. Now, were the other ones fake?

Were these fake?

Yeah, nothing but an evil conspiracy to distract from the Reptoid nazi takeover of America.

Oh! According to some posters here, you don't need to see that kinda thing happen more than once or twice.

Therefore, ALL pictures of antifacists are now false flags and antifascists never ever ever do anything bad.

Geez. It sure is easy to understand the world when you let the tiny minority colour your opinion of the ENTIRE majority.