Manuel1983 said:

Shalom

Next weekend, evangelistic meetings will take place here in Salzburg, Austria.

In addition, the brothers and sisters here regularly hold book tables and distribute evangelistic literature.

We ask for your support in prayer in Jesus' name.

May God continue to draw the people we have already reached to Himself in Jesus' name. Amen (John 6:44).

Thank you for your prayers!

May the Lord bless you abundantly (Luke 6:38; Job 42:10) and may He bless Israel in Jesus' name. Amen!

Soli Deo Gloria

PS And I pray that the Lord will send out harvesters into His harvest (Matthew 9:38).

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I really admire what you are doing and I am praying about how I can do something similar myself here in Canada.

Valletta said:

Wyoming already has school choice, and we are currently defending a state voucher program. These are both hot national topics, but Wyoming’s desire for excellence goes far beyond simple politics. The work is not about public vs. private schools or tradition vs. innovation. Rather, it is built from the ground up, ensuring every student has access to a high-quality education, no matter where they live or how they learn. It’s a pretty simple concept, really, that requires talent, commitment, and passion, but aren’t those the characteristics of the great teachers we have had the blessing of learning from in our own histories?

Wyoming is rethinking education from the ground up

Wyoming is proving that the path to fixing education is in recognizing the dignity of teaching, the joy of learning, and the unique needs of each student.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

They are getting off to a great start!

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I hope this works out! Wyoming, according to USNews, currently ranks 6th overall for education among states and 14th for K-12.

Fantine said:

If Trump has his say, I guess he will pardon P Diddy.

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Trump Now “Seriously Considering” Pardon For Sean Combs Ahead Of Sentencing; White House Officially Says Nothing​

Nearly two months after Trump publicly entertained the notion of a Diddy pardonin an Oval Office gaggle, a comprehensive get out of jail card for Combs is being “seriously considered,” an administration source tells Deadline.

Additionally, as several associates of the much-accused and currently incarcerated “All About the Benjamins” performer have been pitching the White House, other insiders confirm the topic has leveled up from “just another Trump weave to an actionable event” since Combs was found partially guilty in the his New York City sex-trafficking trial earlier this month. Of course, as a number of parties attest, this being the roller coaster of Trumpworld, any decision on a Combs pardon is in flux until POTUS actually puts his signature on paper.

essentialsaltes said:

Interesting weaponized wrinkle on that. See if you can spot the difference.
Late last year, the Democratic former FCC chairwoman threw out complaints filed against CBS, ABC, NBC and Fox.
But Trump’s pick to lead the agency, Brendan Carr, quickly revived the CBS, NBC and ABC complaints.

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FCC Chair Faces Ethics Complaint Over ‘Egregious Misconduct’​

The Freedom of the Press Foundation has filed a formal complaint with the DC Court of Appeals, alleging Carr violated legal ethics by using the agency as a tool for partisan enforcement.

The July 28 complaint urges the court’s Office of Disciplinary Counsel to investigate what the group calls a “pattern of egregious misconduct,” including Carr’s decision to revive dormant “news distortion” cases against CBS, NBC, and ABC, as well as his role in pressuring companies over Diversity, Equity and Inclusion efforts and media mergers.

Welcome!

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It's wild to me that there are still systems that can't do full duplex communication.

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Hey, what's the worst that could happen?

Hope @essentialsaltes is OK with me posting this in his/her thread. To day, 30 July 2025, is World Day Against Trafficking in Persons. I attended the UN conference via computer link this morning. Here is the UN link for World Day Against Trafficking in Persons.

Oompa Loompa said:

Do you not want them to provide medical care?

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Whoosh!

Oompa Loompa said:

I can see it now, "You can't arrest me! I have a heart condition!"

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Oompa Loompa said:

Speaking from experience?

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Nasty.

Oompa Loompa said:

All of a sudden, liberals are against due process.

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Whoosh, whoosh!!

chevyontheriver said:

Look. The Babylon Bee is going to 'go anti-Catholic' from time to time. It's in their DNA. They can't help it. It will bubble up from the deep recesses of their nature.

We ought to yell when they do that. But to block them? Over-react much?

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I don’t know, they’re evangelical I supposed?

enoob57 said:

I know of no other source other than God‘s word, His scripture, to lead us and guide us into all understanding… Do you?

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This what I believe and THE APOSTLE to the Gentile wrote by. the Holy Spirit !

To make all. to ,present your self accepted. by God a workman having no shame RIGHTLY DIVIDING. the word of. Truith

is my Goal and to become an IMITATOR of. ME. , Paul , just as I also am of Christ !! 1 Cor 11:1. , Do you ?

The main reason that Baptism stops is because Israel was SET SIDE IN. ACTS 28:25 and 26 and Baptism

will appear again during The Great Tribulation in. Mark 16. -18. !!

dan p

Speaking of temporary freezes...

Trump administration reverses course, lifts pause on NIH grant awards​

The White House Office of Management and Budget halted payments from the National Institutes of Health to researchers around the country, according to a memo sent to the institute and center directors at the agency on Tuesday afternoon. Then late in the evening, after protests from members of Congress and patient advocacy groups, the Trump administration reversed the move and reinstated the funding.

Efficiency, steadfastness, and transparency.

The Barbarian said:

No. "Basic structural similarity" is analogy, not homology.


In evolutionary biology, analogous structures are biological structures having similar or corresponding functions but not from the same evolutionary origin. In other words, species use these biological structures for the same purpose and yet these species are from unrelated evolutionary lines.

Analogous structures - Definition and Examples | Biology Online

Analogous structures have similar functions but with dissimilar evolutionary origins. Know more about its definition, examples, and process here.

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Yes. It gets difficult and a lot of work involves untangling the anatomical data of fossils. For example, Alan Feduccia argued that birds and dinosaurs evolved from a common ancestor, basing his argument on which digits were reduced in bird and dinosaur forelimbs. Eventually, he was shown to be wrong about which digits, and his theory was refuted.


Sorry, that's wrong, tool. Depends on evidence. Which is why Feduccia's argument wasn't quickly dismissed. A great deal of work was required to sort out his claims and determine if they were correct or not. Would you like to learn about how it was finally resolved?


It probably seems unfair to YECs that when scientists learn that they were mistaken, they just accept the reality and change their theories to fit. Science looks at the evidence and finds the best their to explain it. YEC assumes a conclusion and tries to make the facts fit the assumption. Nothing better explains the logical differences between science and YEC.

It's a mathematical argument. Most YEC arguments on probability are something like "the likelihood of (large number) of amino acids in this order in a protein is so unlikely as to be impossible." Which, if a valid argument, would prove that poker games are impossible. Figures don't lie, but liars often figure. I could show you the math and a simple simulation to test the assumption, if you like.


Well, tell me how many mutations you think would be necessary to convert an archosaur leg into a functional wing. Then we'll do the math. Let's say 100. (obviously a great number of non-useful mutations would occur and be rejected by natural selection during the same time).
Each step in such an evolution depends on the last stage. So 1/100! or about 1/9.3^157. Very small likelihood, um? Which is why we never see a complex adaption form identically in two separate lineages. Just 10 would give us a likelihood of about 1/3,600,000.


So you've changed your position? The reason that bats and pterosaurs have different wings is that they both had to go through the same process of random mutation and natural selection. The odds of all those random mutations happening would more unlikely than shuffling a deck of cards and getting the same order of cards twice. Creationist arguments on probability are essentially arguing that one can't shuffle a deck of cards once. Would you like me to show you?


You've assumed that the landscape is much simpler than it is. For example, New World and Old World vultures are superficially very similar. But they evolved to fitness in entirely different ways. One example, is that one uses vision and the other uses sense of smell as hunting strategies. But there's more. The confusion between analogy and homology is a function of YECs being unable to comprehend how it all works and how evolution is opportunistic, rather than prescient.

The hope for convergence lies in the fenestration occuring precisely in the right place, involving precisely the same bones, connective tissue, muscles and nerves. There is supporting genetic and neurological data, supporting the way this happened:

Devolopment
Volume 144 Issue 22
November 2017

The evolution of cortical development: the synapsid-diapsid divergence​

All these mutations happening to fall in exactly the same order, seems very unlikely. Why not just accept the evidence? Understand, the odds aren't for the result happening once. They are for the same result happening twice. And that is why poker games and analogous structures are possible.


It's pretty simple. You see, the paleontological data predicts that one will see genetic data supporting the divergences of synapsids and diapsids from an anapsid ancestor. And when the genetic basis of these developmental changes were found, that prediction was confirmed. It's been confirmed by other research.

Science AdvancesVol. 9, No. 46

Turtle skull development unveils a molecular basis for amniote cranial diversity​

Amniote skulls display diverse architectural patterns including remarkable variations in the number of temporal arches surrounding the upper and lower temporal fenestrae. However, the cellular and molecular basis underlying this diversification remains elusive. Turtles are a useful model to understand skull diversity due to the presence of secondarily closed temporal fenestrae and different extents of temporal emarginations (marginal reduction of dermal bones). Here, we analyzed embryos of three turtle species with varying degrees of temporal emargination and identified shared widespread coexpression of upstream osteogenic genes Msx2 and Runx2 and species-specific expression of more downstream osteogenic genes Sp7 and Sparc in the head. Further analysis of representative amniote embryos revealed differential expression patterns of osteogenic genes in the temporal region, suggesting that the spatiotemporal regulation of Msx2, Runx2, and Sp7 distinguishes the temporal skull morphology among amniotes. Moreover, the presence of Msx2- and/or Runx2-positive temporal mesenchyme with osteogenic potential may have contributed to their extremely diverse cranial morphology in reptiles.
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Some might deny the evidence, but there it is. No point in fighting the reality.

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Hi Barbarian
Thank you for your post understood very little of it us uneducated have trouble with long words of foreign origin and I asked myself what has this to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ after all God created everything through him lets believe that and be content.

love and peace
Dave

Royal-Fool said:

Thank you for allowing us to switch this off - it is distracting and can make things difficult to read.

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Totally agree having the option to turn it off makes for a much smoother reading experience.

Prasad, an oncologist and a professor of epidemiology, biostatistics and medicine at the University of California, San Francisco, had previously criticized the FDA.

He was a fierce critic of US Covid-19 vaccine and mask mandates and, in the second Trump administration, he was controversially appointed as the director of the FDA’s center for biologics evaluation and research in May.

The government gave no details about the reason for his departure but he had fierce critics on both sides of the political aisle and the Washington Post reported, citing unnamed sources, that he had been ousted amid protests by conservative voices, with no response from Prasad to requests for comment.

[joking about having a Donald Trump 'voodoo doll' may have contributed to his exit, according to reports in the US media.]

His exit came after a number of unusual regulatory actions, including those taken recently by the agency on Sarepta Therapeutics’ gene therapy, Elevidys.

[And declining to approve some other drugs and downplaying COVID vaccination.]

The regulator’s decisions under Prasad raised concerns that he was anti-patient choice, Jefferies analyst Roger Song said, adding that investors will see his departure as a positive for gene therapy and vaccine makers.

RileyG said:

Glory to God in all things!

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Exactly! I said "i told you God was in control amd that this would work out." He didnt say anything but it was like "I told you so!" When he told me the news lol. I was also like "im really glad man. Good for you." Glory to God though thank God it all worked out and hes okay now. Im really, really glad.

DamianWarS said:

Ezekiel and Jeremiah are exilic texts and certainly there was earlier instruction to release slaves at a 7 year mark but the year of Jubilee itself ia not so well rooted. You can say these texts alluded to but it seems odd not to mention Jubliee, especially given the detail in Jeremiah.

maybe it's that the concept was developing and that's why there so few references to kubliee and why these other references seem to fit so well, Jubliee could have been later developed and retrofitted into the existing system.

One thing is for sure it would be hard to count these years when they are never mentioned and biblical date counting can be problematic as the dates often don't have a high degree of resolution.

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Ezekiel is most definitely an exilic text. The very first verse begins in the fifth year of the formal captivity that began under Jehoiachin in Adar of 597 BCE. But the bulk of Jeremiah's interaction began during the reigns of Josiah and Jehoiakim, and the passage referring to the redemption of land in the reign of Zedekiah was before the final overthrow of Jerusalem in 587 BCE. Although Jeremiah does have material that also includes his time in exile, a great majority of it is pre-exilic. Unless there is proof that Jeremiah was written during or post exile, the internal evidence suggests that it is pre-exilic. Jeremiah may not mention the Jubilee, but the topic of the passage is not the Jubilee. It's the redemption of land, which is a statute particular to the Jubilee. How much you paid for a parcel of land was all dependent upon the amount of time that remained until the Jubilee, because it had to revert to its original owner at the Jubilee. In which case, a man couldn't be expected to pay a full fifty shekels for the use of a plot of land if he would only get to use it for thirty years. The statutes of the Jubilee provide for an appropriate compensation scheme to adjust for this.

I haven't spent too much time just yet trying to work out the specifics of why the amount was seventeen shekels, but I feel confident that when I figure out the specific formula, the price will end up confirming that a number of years consistent with the cycle extrapolated from Ezekiel will show that Jeremiah was redeeming the land in a specific year of the cycle. We know, for example, that a parcel of usable land was worth fifty shekels of silver (Lev. 27:16). By Ezekiel's count, the Jubilee should have fallen in Tishri of 575 BCE. If Jeremiah was redeeming the land according to a shekel per year for the remainder of the cycle, this transaction should have been during the Tishri year beginning in 591 BCE, which would have been the thirty-fourth year of the Jubilee cycle according the Ezekiel's enumeration. However, this would have been in the seventh and eighth years of Zedekiah, whereas Jeremiah 32:1 says this redemption occurred in the tenth year of Zedekiah, which is off by about two or three years. Arguments in the Talmud then discuss the actual cost per year, which can't be an exact shekel per year because the purchaser isn't actually purchasing the land, but the use of the land. And since the land is not usable in Sabbatical years, these are to be deducted from the fifty year total, making fifty years only forty-three in practical application. In which case, each usable year amounts to something like 1.16 shekels per usable year. From Zedekiah's tenth year, there are two Sabbatical years before the Jubilee, making the seventeen shekels the valuation for approximately 14.65 years worth of usable time for the land. But, again, from here I haven't taken a bunch of time to work out the math. There are about thirteen usable years on the land from the tenth year of Zedekiah to the Jubilee by Ezekiel's count.

In any case, there is a formula in the Talmud. I just have to spend some time with it. What I can say is that a land redemption to the tune of seventeen shekels in the tenth year of Zedekiah is extremely close, even by rudimentary math. I'm confident that Jeremiah will ultimately end up corroborating Ezekiel. I just need to work out the details, objectively, of course. If the numbers don't end up matching, then so be it. But, again, it's too close to ignore.

As I pointed out, the Jubilee years are counted. Evidence of it is seen in Ezekiel 1:1–2. The "thirtieth" year has no corresponding contemporary association. 594 BCE was the fourth year of Zedekiah and the twelfth year of Nebuchadnezzar. There is no reign or dating convention that would correspond to a thirtieth year in that particular year, with the exception of the Jubilee cycle.

I don't find there to be much difficulty in Biblical date counting. The only reign parallels I've had any difficulty with are Hezekiah, Manasseh, Azariah, and Jeroboam. All the remaining kings chart just fine and present a smooth timeline that can be corroborated by Assyrian and Babylonian chronicles. But, those four kings that present difficulties don't interrupt the timeline sequence. We can conclusively date Hoshea's final year to 723 BCE via the chronicle of Shalmaneser V, and we can conclusively date the reign of Josiah and his successors by the chronicle of Nabopolassar. Ahaz can be dated off of Hoshea, as can Pekah and Jotham. From Jehu beginning his reign in 841 BCE, we can also easily chronicle the kings through Amaziah of Judah and Joash of Israel. All the events of significance are also datable, including the fall of Samaria under Hoshea in 723 BCE and the fall of Jerusalem under Nebuchadnezzar II in 587 BCE.

So, we have a gap from the end of Ahaz to the beginning of Amon where the specifics are unclear for Hezekiah and Manasseh, though we can date Ahaz and Amon, redering that gap a nonpoint issue in terms of the timeline. The other gap is from the end of Joash of Israel to Hoshea. We know where Joash ends, and we know where Hoshea begins and ends. So the uncertainty of Azariah and Jeroboam is also a nonpoint issue. They don't disrupt the timeline. The specifics just need to be worked out to determine precisely where they both fall. And they are only made complicated by the reign of Menahem, whom we know paid tribute to Tiglath-pileser III, which is not consistent with the parallel of Azariah to the twenty-seventh year of Jeroboam.

Nevertheless, the timelines in general are intact and corroboratable.

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Redemption is counted at one sela and one pondion per year, which is one shekel plus a 1/20th denomination (bArak. 25a). This is forty-nine years of a cycle minus the seven Sabbatical years, equaling forty-two usable years in a cycle (50 shekels ÷ 42 = 1.19 shekels, or one shekel and a fifth). So each year up to the Jubilee equates to 1.2 shekels. Counting from the first half of Zedekiah's tenth year of reign, the cumulative total owed to redeem the land with fourteen years remaining through the forty-ninth year prior to the Jubilee would amount to 16.8 shekels. So, the seventeen shekels looks pretty accurate.

While it's off by a pondion, I would say it's close enough to count it as corroboration that Ezekiel is giving us the year of the Jubilee cycle in Ezek. 1:1–2.

Hoping2 said:

"Interesting", was such an understatement.

Not sure what ISTM means, but can anything be impossible for/with God ?

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It Seems To Me ….

Catholics are called to be at the forefront of defending human life–let’s stand together to protect this vulnerable population.

recent article in The New York Times (NYT) titled “A Push for More Organ Transplants Is Putting Donors at Risk” uncovered that 55 medical workers in 19 states “had witnessed at least one disturbing case of donation” using an organ harvesting technique called “donation after circulatory death” (DCD).

The article highlighted multiple cases of organ retrieval either beginning or nearly beginning on living patients, one of whom recalled feeling afraid while in the hospital.

The NYT quoted Dr. Wade Smith, a neurologist at the University of California, San Francisco, as stating: “I think these types of problems are happening much more than we know.”

In addition, the Health Resources and Services Administration, a part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), reported in its recent article “HHS Finds Systemic Disregard for Sanctity of Life in Organ Transplant System” that in 351 cases where organ donation was authorized but ultimately not completed:

• 103 cases (29.3%) “showed concerning features, including 73 patients with neurological signs incompatible with organ donation.”
• At least 28 patients (7.9%) may not have been dead at the time organ harvesting was initiated.

This disregard for patient safety was characterized as “clear negligence.”

Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. posted on X “There have been massive ethical breaches in many organ transplant cases….” He wrote that some “dead” donors had blood pressure and heart rate elevation at the time of organ harvesting, indicating they could feel pain.

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The word “Psalm” comes from the Greek word for a “song” (psalmos), which is itself a translation of the Hebrew word for a song or melody. In Jewish tradition, however, the book of Psalms is known simply as the “Praises.” Here we’ll explore ten different facets of this extraordinary collection of hymns and prayers.



1) The Psalms are split into five books. In their book A Catholic Introduction to the Bible: The Old Testament, Scripture scholars John Bergsma and Brant Pitre offer the following breakdown:

• Book 1: Introduction and Laments of David (Ps 1-41)
• Book 2: The Rise of the Davidic Kingdom (Ps 42-72)
• Book 3: Fall of the Davidic Kingdom (Ps 73-89)
• Book 4: Reflections on the Fall of the Kingdom and Exile(Ps 90-106)
• Book 5: Rejoicing and Restoration of the Temple (Ps 107-150)

2) The Psalms have multiple authors. While King David wrote the largest number of psalms, many were written by other authors such as King Solomon, a figure named Asaph, or a group known as the Sons of Korah. Even Moses is credited with having written one of the Psalms (Psalm 90).



3) The Psalms frequently use parallelisms. The Psalms are works of Hebrew poetry, but they don’t rhyme in the way that English poetry does. The metrical patterns in the Psalms are also unclear to modern scholars. But what we do find repeatedly in the Psalms is the literary technique of parallelism. Very frequently the Psalms are organized so that two or more verses are supposed to be read either as complements or as contrasts.

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Michie said:

On July 26, 2025, a meeting took place at the Apostolic Palace in the Vatican between Metropolitan Antony of Volokolamsk, Chairman of the Moscow Patriarchate’s Department for External Church Relations, and Pope Leo XIV.


During the meeting, Metropolitan Antony conveyed greetings from His Holiness Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Rus’ and congratulations on Pope Leo XIV’s election as the head of the Roman Catholic Church.

Pope Leo XIV expressed gratitude to Patriarch Kirill for his good wishes and emphasized the importance of strengthening relations with the Russian Orthodox Church.

The discussion touched on numerous issues, including the state of Orthodox-Catholic dialogue and ongoing global conflicts, particularly in Ukraine and the Middle East.

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Metropolitan of Volokolamsk meets with Pope Leo XIV | Orthodox Times (en)

On July 26, 2025, a meeting took place at the Apostolic Palace in the Vatican between Metropolitan Antony of Volokolamsk, Chairman of the Moscow Patriarchate’s Department for External Church Relations, and Pope Leo XIV. During the meeting, Metropolitan Antony conveyed greetings from His Holiness...

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Is this more than a formality? Hoping.

chevyontheriver said:

Pope Francis. He all but officially canonized Martin Luther in 2017 for the 500th anniversary 'celebration' of the nailing of Luther's 95 theses to the door of the Wittenburg church.

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Ah! I recall that now. That was very confusing to many. He was very difficult to figure out.

Michie said:

A: First of all, it’s not known whether Job was a literal historical figure. Many Scripture scholars believe that the Book of Job in the Old Testament is essentially a sort of fable — that is, it was not necessarily recording events that actually occurred, but rather telling us a story to illustrate some deeper truth.

This would make the book of Job similar to the parables that Jesus was so fond of telling later on in the New Testament (e.g., we don’t need to believe that the Good Samaritan or the Prodigal Son were real people in order to understand and appreciate the point Jesus was trying to make).

On that literary level, the entire Book of Job is a consideration of the meaning of suffering in the life of the faithful, and in that sense it’s actually asking the same question you are!

For those unfamiliar with the story of Job, his namesake book opens by introducing Job as an “upright man” who “feared God and avoided evil” (Job 1:1). Job was also very prosperous: “Seven sons and three daughters were born to him; and he had seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen, five hundred she-donkeys, and a very large household, so that he was greater than anyone in the East” (Job 1:2-3).

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Why would God allow Satan to torture Job?

The Book of Job doesn't give us easy answers, but it does give us glimpses of the purpose of suffering and the nature of our loving God.

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Dear beloved in Christ,

Thank you for such a thoughtful and reflective comment. I appreciate the care you've taken in laying out your thoughts it shows a genuine desire to understand the Word of God more deeply, especially on such a profound question: “Why would God allow Satan to torture Job?”

Now, regarding the historicity of Job yes, some scholars do interpret the Book of Job as poetic or allegorical literature, much like a parable. However, it’s important to note that the Bible itself refers to Job as a real person, not merely a character in a story. For example, in Ezekiel 14:14, the Lord speaks of “Noah, Daniel, and Job” as righteous men placing Job in the company of clearly historical figures. Also, James 5:11 in the New Testament says, “You have heard of the perseverance of Job and seen the end intended by the Lord that the Lord is very compassionate and merciful.” This suggests Job’s experience was not just symbolic but also instructive and real.

That being said, I also agree with you in this: whether or not Job is taken literally, the spiritual truth of the book remains powerful and undeniable. Just as Jesus' parables while not historical narratives revealed deep divine wisdom, the story of Job carries enduring truths about faith, suffering, and God's sovereignty.

Your insight is right on point: the Book of Job does not offer an "easy" answer to suffering, but rather invites us into a sacred mystery. Job’s trials pull back the curtain and let us glimpse the heavenly courtroom, where God is not absent but actively engaged. And even though Job doesn’t get a neat explanation for his suffering, he encounters the living God and that, more than any answer, becomes his restoration.

It’s also crucial to remember that Job was not punished. He was tested, and ultimately honored. Satan sought to destroy him, but God set boundaries, proving that even in suffering, God remains sovereign. The lesson isn’t about why bad things happen, but about how faith can remain unshaken even when we don’t understand the “why.”

So, whether we view Job as a literal man or a literary symbol, the message is the same: God is just, God is loving, and our suffering is never wasted when we trust Him. And the ending of the book reminds us that restoration and double blessings await those who endure with faith (Job 42:10).

Thank you again for sparking such a meaningful discussion. May the Holy Spirit continue to guide us into all truth and comfort all who suffer, just as He did with Job.

In Christ’s grace and peace,
Pastor Waris Arif

There's a Celtic rule conference at St. Patrick's Anglican Church in Parkersburg, WV this weekend. I think the church also hosts some sort of Celtic rule monastic community, probably all third order.