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Please pray for Aiden and an update on my brother

Gracious Heavenly Father,
I pray for Aiden’s salvation. Please send the Holy Spirit to open his eyes to a saving knowledge of the truth and faith in You.

Please also be with Bandit as he grieves the loss of his brother. Comfort what needs comforted and heal what needs healed. Please guide him with Your wisdom and help him to walk in the light of joy once again.
In Christ’s Name,
Amen
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Loving One Another

I guess it means that I am enjoying doing a little bit of singing each day, most of it pretty simple lines and verses.

Each day of the week, there are different songs and chants to sing, and they are also done each day at various hours of the day.

The idea is to be in praise and Thanksgiving all the day long.

Here is but a sample Monday Evening Prayer
Thank you Joymercy, for answering my question and for explaining to me what you meant. I appreciate that.
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I have doubts about my relationship

I have a job so I`m making some money but it`s not enough because it`s a zero hours contract. I really desire marriage but I don`t think I want to marry him. I need to focus more on becoming a woman of God and trust that He will guide me to make the right deccision. I know deep inside what I want but maybe God has other plans for me.
I would leave before you end up having a child by him. That would complicate things 10 times over.
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TRUMP "MISSED THE DEADLINE" TO CALL OFF TX GERRYMANDERING; CALIFORNIA WILL NOW DRAW NEW, MORE “BEAUTIFUL MAPS”

Rep. Kevin Kiley (R-Roseville) made a surprise announcement Friday evening that he would run for reelection as an independent candidate.
Tight race in 6th Congressional District as count continues

Kiley, in response [to the BEAUTIFUL maps], quit the Republican Party and became an independent, and ran instead for the neighboring 6th Congressional District, despite the seat also being designed to favor a Democrat.

As of Sunday, Kiley was at 25.4%, Democratic candidate former state Sen. Richard Pan at 22.8% and Republican candidate Michael Stansfield at 21.2%

Maybe he knew what he was doing.
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Martin Heidegger's Atheism

I read a little bit of Being and Time years ago. I'd like to understand better about what Heidegger actually believed himself. Was he religious himself?

What I read is that his atheism was methodological, it had to do with his approach to philosophy. When it comes to philosophy he brackets the question of God. He seems to want to keep philosophy and theology separate.

What do people think about this?jkl

I’ve only read Heidegger before his turn (Being and Time’s first division and the Metaphysics lecture–not much on temporality either), so I can’t tell you about his later thought. But I’m pretty sure that when he was questioned about the existence of God—both in his earlier and later thought—he seemed to resist giving a straight answer. I don’t think Heidegger phenomenologically “bracketed it aside” in the way that Husserl would bracket aside what Descartes would doubt. I can see why Heidegger would bracket it aside, as it’s not a central tenet in his system of thought, but Heidegger’s phenomenology isn’t so reductionist to bracket aside everything that’s not important.


The answer to why the existence of God isn’t important to Heidegger, as you recognize, has to do with his approach to philosophy—phenomenology. Phenomenology was pioneered by a guy called Edmund Husserl, a logician and philosopher, in the early 20th century. Phenomenology is often paired with French existentialism because existentialism evolved and borrowed heavily from phenomenology and phenomenologists (philosophers in the phenomenological tradition).

When you hear “phenomenon,” think “experience.” Don’t think of past experiences or memories, but what you currently experience. (There’s a lot more to this, and there are a few different types of experience that phenomenologists have identified.) And this is fundamentally connected to consciousness: the most common adage of phenomenology is “consciousness is always consciousness of something.” It’s a radical rejection of the Cartesian theater and any sort of “passive consciousness” where all you do is think about representations of things in your mind. So, your experience and phenomenon are fundamentally tied to the world you inhabit.

However–this is the bracketing aside part–strict phenomenologists (like Husserl) would say that you can’t actually say anything about the objective existence or qualities of a thing. Indeed, in order to be a pure phenomenologist, you have to “bracket aside” all those thoughts about objectivity (where “objective” means independent of mind). For Husserl, it’s impossible to actually talk about the objectivity of things, because you’re still a subject. All you can talk about is your own phenomenon, which can be shared by others. Objects appear distinct from each other in Husserl’s thought.

Heidegger was actually a student of Husserl, but he thought Husserl wasn’t “contextual” enough. “Worldhood” plays a pretty significant role in Heidegger’s thought, and when talking about Heidegger you’ll always hear about Dasein. Dasein is weird, and Heidegger dedicated hundreds of pages to it. So, just think of Dasein as the “existing” you, the most fundamental part of you, that which is of you. It’s not your personality or psychology, but literally you. Anyways, Dasein always lives in a world before it evaluates anything, so things initially appear as useful. This is one of the modes of being that Heidegger identifies—ready-to-hand, or “handiness.” For example, you approach a hammer as something to be used for hammering, not as something to be evaluated. And only when the handiness stops working–the hammer breaks–do you take a step back and approach reality as something to be evaluated–seeing if you can repair the hammer. That is a second mode Heidegger identifies—present-to-hand. Fundamentally and primordially, Heidegger says we encounter reality as handy, not present. Translating this line of thought a bit, Heidegger centers everything on individual experience and utility. He thus has very little care for objectivity. And indeed all styles of phenomenology center knowledge on the individual human and their perspective; to the phenomenologist, objectivity makes no appearance because objectivity is simply impossible. (This is one of the points that existentialists borrowed a lot.)

Because of that, to a phenomenologist it appears bizarre to care about the objective existence of God, let alone getting others to care about it. Phenomenologists don’t say there isn’t an objective reality; they just say we, as limited people, can’t access it. So, phenomenologists can say two seemingly contradictory things at the same time: (1) God may exist, and I might go to hell; and (2) the existence of God has no meaning to me, because that’s something I’ve yet to experience or care about. Thus, Heidegger’s “atheism” was most likely agnosticism or apatheism.

Now to what other people think about it. Here's a good reddit discussion about it in r/askphilosophy. Phenomenology as a general approach to philosophy isn’t popular anymore, but its influence is still widespread in many different fields. The most common criticism (I think) is (1) “phenomenology doesn’t allow for objectivity” accompanied with (2) a philosophical system that does allow for objectivity. A second common criticism has to do with another part of phenomenological thought–the phenomenological reduction–which I only covered in part with the “bracketing aside.” I don’t know many theological critiques of phenomenology, as you need to reject phenomenology on its own terms due to the fundamental nature of its claims, but I don’t see why it’s impossible to develop a theological critique.
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Rubio "Every country has stupid people"

When questioned by a reporter about racist rhetoric and online attacks against Indians and Indian-Americans, Rubio responded "there are stupid people in the United States that make dumb comments all the time." He did not realize the reporter was asking about Trump. 'Every Country Has Stupid People': Marco Rubio on Anti ...MOYouTube · May 24, 2026

Cast Off the Works of Darkness

Romans 13:11-14 NKJV

“11And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. 12The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. 13Let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and drunkenness, not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy. 14But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to fulfill its lusts.”

The apostle Paul was giving instructions to the church, the body of Christ in Rome, i.e. to those of faith in Jesus Christ. And it would appear, from the instructions that he gave them throughout the entire writing, that not all of them were following the Lord Jesus in obedience to his commands as they ought. For he reminded them that they would be judged by God according to their works, and that those for whom sin was their practice, and not obedience to God, that they would not inherit eternal life with God.

See Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:1-11; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-17; Romans 11:17-24; Romans 12:1-2; Romans 13:11-14; etc.

So, evidently some of them needed to be stirred up spiritually to stronger and more serious walks of faith in obedience to the Lord. For, perhaps some of them had become spiritually complacent, lazy, and slothful, and so they needed to be reminded of the purpose for which Jesus died and was resurrected from the dead, which was to buy us back for God (to redeem us) out of our addiction (slavery) to sin so we can now serve him with our lives in walks of surrender to him in death to sin and obedience to his commands.

For, contrary to what so many people are teaching today as the gospel of Christ, of our salvation from sin, our salvation is not a one time decision to believe in Jesus which requires nothing else of us once we have “done the deed” and have professed faith in Jesus Christ. Our salvation ending in eternal life with God is progressive. We are saved (past). We are being saved (present active). And we will be saved (future) when Jesus returns provided that we have died to sin and continued in obedience to God’s commands.

Progressive salvation verses: [Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Matthew 24:9-14; Luke 9:23-26; John 6:44; John 8:31-32; John 15:1-12; Romans 2:6-8; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-17; Romans 11:17-24; Romans 13:11; 1 Corinthians 1:18; 1 Corinthians 15:1-2; Galatians 5:16-24; Galatians 6:7-8; Ephesians 5:3-6; Colossians 1:21-23; 2 Timothy 1:8-9; 2 Timothy 2:10-13; Hebrews 3:6,14-15; Hebrews 9:28; 1 Peter 1:5,9; 2 Peter 1:5-11; 2 Peter 2:20-22; 1 John 1:5-10; 1 John 2:1-6,24-25; 1 John 3:4-10]

Now, this is not a claim to absolute sinless perfection. God’s grace does cover the sins of those who are of genuine faith in him as long as they are not those who are deliberately and habitually sinning against God and who are refusing to obey our Lord’s commands, as a matter of life practice. For God’s grace, which is bringing us salvation, is training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives while we wait for our Lord’s return for his faithful bride.

For not everyone who says to Jesus “Lord, Lord,” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but those doing (obeying) our Lord’s commands. Many who profess faith in Jesus Christ will stand before God on the day of judgment convinced that heaven is their eternal destiny but he will say to them, “Depart from me you workers of lawlessness. I never knew you!” (see Matthew 7:21-23). So we must forsake the deeds of darkness (sin) and put on Jesus Christ and his righteousness. And we must live moral lives, pleasing to Jesus Christ.

Walking in The Light

Based off 1 John 1-2
An Original Work / November 16, 2011
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


When I lift up my voice, and
Sing praise unto God,
I will fellowship with my
Lord and Savior, King.
In Him there is no darkness.
He is in the light of truth.
If we walk in His light,
From sin He purifies.

If we repent of our sins,
He’ll forgive us now,
When we humble ourselves, and
Before Jesus bow.
The man who says, “I know Him,”
But does not obey His truth,
There is no truth in him.
In darkness still he’s found.

Do not love the world of sin,
For it is hell bound.
If you follow the world, you’ll
Not in Christ be found.
The world and its desires
Will not last; they’ll expire.
The one who does God’s will,
Receives eternal life.

See that what you have heard from
Christ remains in you.
Then, you’ll remain in Christ, and
In His Father, too.
This is what He promised us –
His eternal life with God.
So, continue in Him, and
You’ll receive a crown.

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An Original Work / June 8, 2026
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

SCOTUS' conservative majority makes a surprise decision

If a district voted in an elected official, The government should not be able to then come in, and displace that elected official to another district.
The elected official should remain where they were voted for.

It's shady, politics that the Democrats started, and it ought to be fixed!
That's all i have to say.
The debate is limited to US House districts.
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Please pray that The Holy Spirit sends Christians medical missionaries to provides for the needs of all those affected by the Philippines earthquake

Please pray that The Holy Spirit sends Christians medical missionaries to provides for the needs of all those affected by the Philippines earthquake:

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Please Pray for Apple Sky

Heavenly Father, I thank you for loving me. I thank you for sending your Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ, to the world to save and to set me free. I trust in your power and grace that sustain and restore me.

Loving Father, touch me now with your healing hands, for I believe that your will is for me to be well in mind, body, soul and spirit. Cover me with the most precious blood of your Son, our Lord, Jesus Christ from the top of my head to the soles of my feet.

Cast out anything that should not be in me. Root out any unhealthy and abnormal cells. Open any blocked arteries or veins and rebuild and replenish any damaged areas. Remove all inflammation and cleanse any infection by the power of Jesus’ precious blood.

Let the fire of your healing love pass through my entire body to heal and make new any diseased areas so that my body will function the way you created it to function. Touch also my mind and my emotion, even the deepest recesses of my heart.

Saturate my entire being with your presence, love, joy and peace and draw me ever closer to you every moment of my life. And Father, fill me with your Holy Spirit and empower me to do your works so that my life will bring glory and honour to your holy name. I ask this in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Amen.

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The Glorious Security of the Children of God

The true children of God are, according to Scripture, eternally safe because:

1. They are born not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible seed (1Pe 1:23).
2. His sheep shall never perish (Jn 10:28).
3. Their lives are hid with Christ in God (Col 2:3).
4. They are chosen in Him before the foundation of the world (Eph 1:4).
5. They are already “seated” in the heavenlies in Christ (Eph 1:3; 2:6).
6. They are sealed by the Spirit “until the day of redemption” (Eph 4:30).
7. The Lord knoweth them that are His (2Tim 2:19).
8. Having begun a work in you, He will complete it (Phl 1:6).
9. They are already living-stones in the spiritual building of God of which Christ Himself is the Chief Cornerstone (1Pet 2:5; Eph 2:20-22).
10. They are members of the Body and Church of Christ, each with a peculiar function. Without the least member, the Body would not be complete (1Cor 12:12-27 – the time will come when the final and last Gentile is saved, then Israel restored to fellowship, but not in the sonship capacity like Christians being children of God; they will continue as a “people of God”—NC Rom 11:25, 26).
11. They “are kept by the power of God” (1Pe 1:5).
12. An inheritance is reserved for them (God knows every name in the Book of Life—NC - 1Pet 1:4).
13. God’s people are a gift to His Beloved Son (Jn 17:6, 7 – the Father covenanted with the Son that if He would die for those who would believe in Him, the Father would raise Him from the dead – “Covenant of Redemption”—NC).
14. “He is able to save them to the uttermost” (Heb 7:25).
15. They are already accepted in the Beloved Son (Eph 1:6).
16. Nothing can separate them from the love of Christ (Rom 8:38, 39).
17. He loves them “to the end” (Jn 13:1).
18. By one offering He hath perfected forever them that are “sanctified” (Heb 10:10-14 – sanctification is a single, one time work that separates the heart from the “old man” (Ro 8:9); it’s not what some might think, that it’s a continued work of separating the heart from the sin nature. This answers to why the word “sanctified” is always given in a text that expresses a complete one-time work—NC).
19. They are nevermore reckoned in the first man Adam, but have passed through in the Last Adam (1Co 15:45, 47).
20. They cannot be unborn (John 3:6-8).
21. Christ dwells in them (permanently 2Jn 1:2).
22. He gives His sheep eternal life (Jn 10:28).
23. Whom He foreknew, He also predestined, called, justified and glorified (Ro 8:28-30).
24. The gifts and calling of God are without repentance (irrevocable – Ro 11:29).

-MJS
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Is quantum reality pneumatic? A hylomorphic alternative to realism

I could never quite grasp the Aristotelian concept of immanent form until I read Abraham P. Bos's book on Aristotelian pneuma as the carrier of form. That was when I realized this very idea could help solve a classic puzzle: what exactly is quantum reality, and what kind of existence are we actually dealing with?

This stinks of philosophy. Perhaps it is best done on the philosophy section
I want to share a way of looking at this that fixes a major blank spot in the classic Copenhagen model, without getting stuck in the traps of modern realism. While the Copenhagen model is great because it doesn't treat quantum states like everyday classical objects, it doesn't really explain what is actually there. This lack of a solid philosophical foundation often makes it feel like a shallow tool, just a set of math equations for predicting things rather than a description of real life. Because of this, physicists and philosophers usually default to realist interpretations.

Rather than adopting such realist views, I suggest we look back to an old idea from Aristotle called hylomorphism (the pairing of matter and form), but complemented with the concept of pneuma. Think of pneuma as an active, subtle, and formative energy. In this pneumatic view, a quantum state isn't a physical particle or a wave travelling through space; it is pure, objective potential. Before we measure it, the quantum object is identical to the laws of physics themselves, existing as an un-incarnated, pneumatic logos. It only takes on classical, thing-like properties when it physically "incarnates" during measurement.

This pneumatic approach completely rules out the realist assumption that there is a pre-existing, definite classical past. Take John Wheeler's famous cosmic delayed-choice experiment. Realist thinking leads to the bizarre conclusion of retrocausality, making it seem like a measurement we make today can reach back billions of years to rewrite a photon's history. The pneumatic framework dissolves this paradox completely. The photon never needed to travel as a classical wave or particle in the first place; it was always an irreducibly quantum, pneumatic entity. Measurement is simply an "incarnation event" that makes things concrete in the present, meaning we don't need any time-traveling magic to explain it. Pneumatic quantum reality is primary, while wave and particle are merely secondary manifestations.

To see how we lost the ability to think this way, we have to look at how Western philosophy changed over time. Thinkers like Maximus Confessor (c. 580-662) understood the logoi as active, organizing principles existing right inside natural things. But when later medieval philosophy stripped these forms of their pneumatic carrier, nominalism took over, flattening everything into mere surface-level form. Eventually, this led to the modern view that order is just something our minds project onto the world. However, quantum physics has retroactively challenged this modern bias, proving that there is indeed a real, non-classical organizing principle operating inside nature, completely independent of our minds.

Ultimately, I see quantum measurement as a two-way street, a participatory event where pneumatic quantum reality and our human concepts meet. On a cosmic scale, this process is happening everywhere, all the time, through environmental and gravitational decoherence. Cosmic history is an ongoing, irreversible process of physical incarnation, moving from a unified, low-entropy quantum beginning to the highly differentiated classical world we see today. Read more about this on my retro nineties homepage: Pneumatic Hylomorphism and Quantum Philosophy: Retrieving the Logoi in the Copenhagen Model.

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Life Is Good(aside from all the crap)

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Life Is Good(aside from all the crap)

Theodicy is the discipline that seeks to understand why there is so much suffering in the world. To say that human life is often tragic—filled with loss, pain, and mourning—is so obvious that it hardly needs saying. Yet countless pages have been written trying to explain it.

There are some fortunate people for whom life is good in their younger years. But even for them, there comes a point when life begins to take its toll—when “things” start to happen.

When going through suffering, answers don’t mean much. In those moments, all that can be done is to take the next breath, do the next task, and somehow make it through the day. This tragic side of life is what fills the news. If it is not a natural disaster, it is one human being harming another. As the old saying goes, man is often a wolf to man.

Our lives can turn on a dime. This becomes more evident as the years pass and many of us discover how easily illness can come.
In 2011, I had a pacemaker put in. On Monday I was fine. By Tuesday, I was getting winded walking down the hallway, unable to manage stairs. I tried to ignore it—denial comes easily. I’ve been told men are especially prone to it. Whether that is true or not, I certainly gave it a good try. It didn’t work.

By Thursday, I was in the Veterans ER. Just like that, my heart began to fail me. In earlier times, many men died in their early sixties from what I had—conditions that are now treated with a pacemaker. I learned then how easily one can become sick—and how easily one might die. Had I waited a few more days, I might not be here.

The doctor showed some frustration when I told her how long it had been going on. Stupid, perhaps—but also understandable. Who really believes, deep down, that they might be dying?
Me? Nah. No way. That’s for other people.

And yet, life is good.

There is joy. There is peace, love, and friendship. Getting older even has its advantages—though the growing awareness of my mortality is not one of them. My inner life has changed over the years. My heart is different now, though I often wish I were further along.
My head and my heart still feel miles apart. Writing offers me a narrow path—a kind of one-lane entrance—into that inner country which remains, in many ways, a mystery. The softness of being that we are capable of still feels distant to me, and I cannot control this. I cannot force it.

All I can do is stay open and try to embrace life as it comes.

I carry many doubts—about almost everything. At times, existence can feel absurd, even meaningless. Yet long ago I made a decision: to deepen my faith. To follow those longings of the heart, however faint or obscure, that continue to draw me forward.
Often this search feels like walking through a desert. Still, something persists—something that urges me deeper. I believe this is grace, active in all of us, whether we recognize it or not.

There is no closure in faith. I cannot say, “This is it—I have arrived.” There is always more to face, more to wrestle with. Life has a way of bringing experiences—often not pleasant—that strip away illusions and leave the heart raw.
I still repress at times, though not as skillfully as I once did. Perhaps that is because I no longer want to hide.
In the midst of struggle, pain, seeking—and the occasional moments of joy—something shifts. Depression, for me, becomes harder to hold onto when I am fully engaged with the process. Not gone, but loosened.

I wish there were less pain and more joy. But perhaps I am given just enough joy to awaken a deeper thirst—one that nothing in this world can fully satisfy.

And yet, that joy does come.
It comes in small things:
in smiles,
in friendship (which is not a small thing at all),
in a gentle breeze,
in cold water when thirsty,
in the quiet goodness of ordinary people—the salt of the earth.
These small things matter.

Perhaps it is these moments that truly heal us. Not grand solutions or final answers, but brief, unbidden gifts—little havens scattered throughout the day. When they touch us, they do so beyond our control.

They come in the present moment—not in our worries about the future, nor in our regrets about the past.
And in those moments, quietly and without explanation, something in us is restored. -Br.MD

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