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Christianity no longer seems moral to me

The reason for me doubting morality is rooted in the way Christianity is portrayed through mainstream media. It's very counter intuitive to Christianity. I feel like it tries to over emphasize it without explaining the Word of God and including the Holy Spirit into teachings leaving everyone with less than nothing.

Satan runs the world (for now and insofar as he is allowed by God). One might expect that the world (including mainstream media) would not be interested in painting an accurate picture of Christianity. We also have the problem of Christianity as it was supposed to be versus how it is actually practiced.

In addition, Christianity should not be measured by morality. Israel was supposed to show the world morality by keeping the law. The law and morality help us to learn to limit the harm we do to others. Christianity was supposed to be about transcending the law by actively doing good for others. Morality was supposed to be incidental to Christianity.

Christianity was supposed to be about us becoming like Jesus and showing his selfless love to others. Sadly, we still mostly walk in the flesh. Some even try to make Christianity law like.

If you can dig past the baloney, you can find that in Christianity that is real, true, and of value.
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Scripted Spirit?

All churches have problems because they are run by people. There are three main problem categories, doctrine, personalities, and structure. As a possible solution, you may want to find a small bible church. These are generally independent and are often similar to the Baptist model. They key thing to look for is where you can get instruction in Bible tools to help you learn on your own. This will let you sift through the tons of baloney people will throw at you.

The purpose of the church can be found in Ephesians;

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Using this metric, it is difficult to see any church that is not a failure because none of us has made much progress in Christ-likeness. If your church is not helping you become more like Christ, you need to find one that will or learn to use bible tools that will help you learn more on your own.

There are a lot of web sites that are not very helpful, but one I found that has an extensive blog archive, and free videos, and books that might help;

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An Effectual Doer

“But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror; for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was. But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does.” (James 1:22-25 NASB1995)

If we read the Scriptures in their correct biblical context, we cannot miss the fact that what they teach as the life of a follower of Christ is someone who not only is a hearer of the Word, but is one who obeys the Word of God, in practice. The Scriptures do not teach what so many people are teaching as the gospel today, in that they do not teach that we can just give lip service to God and that nothing is required of us by God in the way of us dying to sin and walking in obedience to our Lord and to his commands.

What the Scriptures do teach regarding salvation from sin and eternal life with God is that, by faith in Jesus Christ, if it is biblical faith, we die with Christ to sin, we are reborn of the Spirit of God, and we now walk, in conduct, in obedience to our Lord and to his commandments, by the grace of God, in the power of God. Sin is no longer what we practice, but obedience to our Lord is what we do by habit. We are not just hearers of the word, but we are those who are putting the word into daily exercise.

Yet, there are many people today who are teaching a gospel message absent of all obedience to our Lord and to his commandments, and absent of all death to sin, for they are teaching a “feel good” message which convinces the sinner if they just “pray the prayer to receive Christ” that now all their sins are forgiven (past, present, future), and heaven is secured for them when they die, but regardless of how they live. And although they know the evil they are committing is wrong, they walk away and just forget about it.

Some of them just do the “claim who you are in Christ” thing in order to alleviate any guilty conscience, but they are not really “in Christ” until they have died with Christ to sin and they are now walking in obedience to our Lord’s commands as a matter of life custom, although not necessarily in absolute perfection. For if their faith does not change how they live for the good and for the glory of God, in obedience to his commands, then it is not biblical faith which saves from sin and which promises eternal life with God.

So, we are to be those who look intently into the Scriptures and into what they teach, in truth, if taught in their correct biblical context. We are not to believe whatever someone else tells us is the truth, but we are to be seekers of truth who search the Scriptures ourselves for truth by reading them in their right context. And there we will learn that faith which saves results in us dying to sin and living to God in walks of obedience to our Lord’s commands or it is not genuine faith that results in eternal life with God.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

My Sheep

Based off John 10:1-30 NIV
An Original Work / June 24, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love


My sheep hear me. They know me.
They listen to my voice and obey.
I call them and lead them.
They know my voice, so they follow me.
They will never follow strangers.
They will run away from them.
The voice of a stranger they know not;
They do not follow him.

So, I tell you the truth that
I am the gate, so you enter in.
Whoever does enter
Will find forgiveness and will be saved.
Nonetheless whoever enters
Not by the gate; other way,
He is the thief and a robber.
Listen not, the sheep to him.

Oh, I am the Good Shepherd,
Who laid his own life down for the sheep.
I know them. They know me.
They will live with me eternally.
The thief only comes to steal and
Kill and to destroy the church.
I have come to give you life that
You may have it to the full…

They know my voice, so they follow me.

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An Effectual Doer
An Original Work / August 2, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

God Rebuking the Arrogant

“My soul is crushed with longing
After Your ordinances at all times.
You rebuke the arrogant, the cursed,
Who wander from Your commandments.
Take away reproach and contempt from me,
For I observe Your testimonies.
Even though princes sit and talk against me,
Your servant meditates on Your statutes.
Your testimonies also are my delight;
They are my counselors.” (Psalm 119:20-24 NASB1995)

The speaker, if translated to today, is a follower of Jesus Christ. This is someone who has died with Christ to sin and who is walking in obedience to the Lord, in practice, who loves the Lord, and whose desire it is to serve him with their life. This is someone whose life is committed to following the Lord wherever he leads in doing whatever it is that he commands, even if it means being hated, rejected, lied about, and mistreated, in return.

And this servant of the Lord is being lied about, and gossiped about, and slandered for their walk of faith in obedience to the Lord Jesus. Why? Because this is a person of integrity, who believes what the Scriptures teach in their correct context, and whose life is committed to obeying the Lord and to speaking his truth, even if it means being mistreated and lied about. For they know that the truth is what leads people to genuine salvation from sin.

But what this person is up against are those who fake their Christianity, who put on a show of righteousness, but who are arrogant, morally corrupt, malicious, those who speak lies, and those who deceive and manipulate and twist the Scriptures to their advantage so that they can keep on living in sin without feeling guilty for their sin. They are the self-indulgent who profess faith in Christ, while morally they are failing, sinking, and deteriorating.

And so the picture I am getting here is that God is presently rebuking the arrogant, the cursed, who wander from the commandments of God in order to chase after the desires of the sinful flesh, but while they confess faith in Jesus Christ with their lips, and while they show contempt and disdain to the truly righteous who are following the Lord in truth and in walks of obedience to the Lord. For they despise the righteous who call out sin for what it is.

But in the Lord’s rebuke, which could come in all sorts of manners to get the attention of the liars who disdain the commands of God while they verbally claim to know God and to be hearing from God, he is, in essence, saying to the arrogant that they need to stop lying, and tell the truth, and to stop being morally corrupt, and to live holy and righteously in obedience to the Lord’s commands, for this is what God commands of his followers.

This really is a loving appeal by God to the self-indulgent professers of faith in Jesus, who lie and who live immoral lives, to come to genuine repentance, to die with Christ to sin (not just once, but daily), and to live life according to the commands of God written down for us in the New Testament Scriptures. And this means now being truth tellers who love God and others, and who live godly and moral lives to the glory and praise of God.

And if those who are actively reproaching and showing contempt for the servants of the Lord Jesus who are living righteously, if they would now repent, and turn from their wicked ways, confess their sins, and now obey God and show love to those they once hated, that would, at least to some extent, take away some that reproach and contempt presently being aimed at those who are true servants of the Lord, who are doing as he commands.

But what we all need to understand here is that faith in Jesus Christ is not lip service only, and it is not a one-time event which takes place in our lives which now guarantees us forgiveness of all sins, and heaven as our eternal destiny, but while we continue in deliberate and habitual sin, and not in walks of obedience to our Lord’s commands. Faith which saves dies to sin and obeys God as a matter of life practice, and it continues until the end.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

As the Deer

By Martin J. Nystrom
Based off Psalm 42:1


As the deer panteth for the water
So my soul longeth after You
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

You alone are my strength, my shield
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

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God Rebuking the Arrogant
An Original Work / August 2, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Bible Q and Advice Needed with Scripture

I'm afraid it's a cult. I just wonder if that is why he uses KJV because it is so easy to tell someone what it means to you. That's just some discernment. I just can't get into their studies. I think that is why my aunt likes it because it's a study, not preaching. One of my friends who is a pastor said that his wife was working at a Christian bookstore and a woman wanted a Bible saying that she wanted KJV because that is how Jesus talked LOL.
Oof on that one, lol

Yeah unfortunately some people will go with the KJV because they believe it "sounds like the bible" and that's just because it's the most familiar version.
It's fine to adopt that version because it's so widely adopted and agreed upon that it's a good translation, but it should never be treated as the ONLY good translation.

I can get that a bible study would be more appealing than preaching or in my case it's way more appealing than singing. Being a bit autistic, I can struggle with large crowds especially with a bunch of voices in cacophony (because let's face it congregational singing isn't a smoothed out choir sound) because it becomes too many sound sources at once, it can be sensory overload. Then I myself don't like to sing because I hate the sound of my voice and the way it vibrates my chest if I try singing.
So I'm much more apt to want to go to bible study (because I love scripture and it's smaller groups) than worship services. I don't mind preaching as long as it's expository, focusing on scripture rather than the Pastor's own agenda.

Does your church have a day of bible study? That might be a way to get her in.
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Trump demands pharma companies slash drug prices in next 60 days

We finally have a leader who doesn't just talk about cutting prices, but takes action.

Real action:

In 2022, President Biden signed into law the Inflation Reduction Act, which included a provision that requires all Part D plans to charge no more than $35 per month for all covered insulin products, and also limits cost sharing for insulin covered under Part B to $35 per month. Deductibles no longer apply to insulins under Part D or Part B. These provisions took effect in 2023 (January 1 for Part D; July 1 for Part B).

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What do these verses mean?

Is this a trick question. Through Adam’s sin we all were condemned. Through Jesus righteous act we were justified..
throgh Adam’s sin we all became sinners, through obedience to Christ we have been made righteous. Obedience to repent and come out of our worldly sin and seek a little righteousness of our own by obeying the Ten Commandments..

One man Adam chose, for his children, to be altered by being born dead spiritually…so through the one man, Jesus, all men are able to individually choose to be alive spiritually through his righteousness…

Through faith in Christ our sin is remitted (salvation) and we are declared "not guilty" (justification), and
we are accounted righteous with the imputed righteousness of Christ (Ro 5:18-19, 1:17, 3:21, 4:5, Php 3:9), not made inherently righteous, followed by personal sanctification (inherent righteosness) through obedience in the Holy Spirit (Ro 6:16, 19).
just because folks don’t always know, but this is the Orthodox subforum, and the OP was asking the Orthodox POV. St Basil’s is only for the Orthodox to answer.
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Vatican turns to ‘hot priests’ to spread faith

Reminds me of how Fr. Corapi would try to be "cool" and "relatable". He ended up in a huge mess and walked away from the priesthood for a while.
When I was in grade school we had a really popular priest. He wasn’t good looking but he was vey nice and everybody loved him. Father Grass.
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Texas school board votes to provide extra funding to schools that adopt a Bible-infused English/reading program for K-5

A part of me hopes that religious families will challenge this on the basis that it is incongruent with their religious beliefs to teach the Bible apart from a religious context.

-CryptoLutheran
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New 'Election Integrity' law in South Dakota makes voter registration rolls free to the public

SD election office publishes voter list labeling thousands as public assistance applicants

Information is included in newly required free version of statewide registration spreadsheet​

The legislation passed in March. It requires the Secretary of State’s Office — which oversees elections — to make the state’s entire voter registration list freely available online, after the list was previously available only for a $2,500 fee.

Activists who favor the hand-counting of ballots, oppose the use of vote-counting machines and deny the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election were among those who promoted the legislation as an “election integrity” measure.

South Dakota Searchlight downloaded the list and found it included information such as each voter’s name, political party and address. It additionally included phone numbers and email addresses, if voters provided those two pieces of optional information

There was also a column identifying where and how voters registered, such as at a driver’s exam station, a disability services office, a military recruitment center, or while applying for assistance from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, or the Women, Infants and Children program. [This has been removed, albeit with some shoddy implementation.]

A spokesperson for the office told South Dakota Searchlight in an emailed statement that the free spreadsheet contains the same information that was “traditionally” available by paying the $2,500 fee. [D and R politicians have stated the where/how data was not available in previous versions of the file.]

When asking public assistance applicants if they’d like to register to vote, the state Department of Social Services economic assistance application says “information regarding the office to which the voter registration form was submitted will remain confidential and be used only for voter registration purposes.”

Trump Warns Putin: Repositions Nuclear Submarines

This could get interesting.....

Based on the highly provocative statements of the Former President of Russia, Dmitry Medvedev, who is now the Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, I have ordered two Nuclear Submarines to be positioned in the appropriate regions, just in case these foolish and inflammatory statements are more than just that,” Trump wrote on his social media platform Friday.

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Earlier this week, Trump said he was “disappointed” in Russian President Vladimir Putin for his continued strikes on Ukraine and announced he was shortening the deadline to reach a peace deal from 50 days down to “10 to 12” days.

Medvedev responded to the new deadline in a rare social media post, alleging Trump was “playing the ultimatum game” with Russia."He should remember 2 things: 1. Russia isn’t Israel or even Iran," Medvedev wrote. “2. Each new ultimatum is a threat and a step towards war. Not between Russia and Ukraine, but with his own country. Don’t go down the Sleepy Joe road!”




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As Texas Flood Deaths Rise, Officials Blast Faulty Forecast by National Weather Service

Texas county’s emergency management coordinator was likely asleep in critical morning hours of deadly floods, sheriff says

When asked if he knew whether Kerr County Emergency Management Coordinator W.B. "Dub" Thomas was working the night before the early morning July 4 flooding that killed at least 136 people in the state, Sheriff Larry Leitha said: "I'm sure he was at home asleep at that time," and added that he was also asleep.

Kerr County, Texas, lead emergency management official says he was home sick and asleep during deadly flooding

The flood killed 108 people, including 37 children, in Kerr County.

Thomas said that after working a full day on July 2, he went home sick. He said at the time, no concerns had been raised about an elevated weather condition "beyond what is typical for the region during the summer."

Thomas said he stayed home sick on July 3 and did not participate in two meetings dealing with the Texas emergency management coordination center.

Thomas said his supervisors, including the Kerr County sheriff, were aware he was out sick.

"I was awakened around 5:30 a.m., on July the Fourth by my wife following a call from the city of Kerrville EMC (Emergency Management Coordinator) Jeremy Hughes requesting that I mobilize," Thomas said.

During his testimony, Thomas said that of the 19 camps along the river, six of them had an emergency response plan filed with the county.
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