bèlla said:

It's wonderful to connect with someone from South Africa. There's a rich history of prayer and fortitude on your continent. And no one prays like you all. No one!

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JohnB445 said:

There is no guarantee of a long healthy life

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JohnClay said:

I thought if Jesus existed before the universe was created he would be omniscient. Talking to God the Father suggests Jesus lost all of his godly knowledge when he was born and God the Father was talking to a blank slate.

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RileyG said:

Odd. I thought Finland was a Christian nation (officially).

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An essay I wrote with the help of Claude Sonnet 4.5, based on an exploration of what I think is the inflection point in modernity and postmodernity, and why I think Protestantism in particular faces epistemic and metaphysical challenges to the basic Kantian or Cartesian worldview it has inherited.​

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Quantum Physics, Relational Ontology, and the future of Christianity​

The double-slit experiment and its more perplexing cousin, the quantum eraser, have been troubling physics for decades. What's more surprising is how little these experiments have troubled theology. Western Christianity has remained largely silent in the face of phenomena that seem to scramble our basic intuitions about causation, temporal order, and the relationship between observer and observed. This silence is not accidental, nor is it simply a matter of cultural lag. It suggests something deeper: an intuition that truly grappling with quantum reality would require rebuilding from foundations rather than adding another floor to the existing theological structure.


The quantum eraser experiment in particular gestures toward something genuinely destabilizing. It's not merely telling us that particles behave probabilistically or that matter has wave-like properties—claims that can be domesticated into a revised but still recognizable metaphysics. Rather, it suggests that whether something "was" a particle or a wave can depend on measurements we haven't made yet, that the distinction between "what happened" and "what we can know about what happened" breaks down at a fundamental level. This isn't just another scientific discovery to be incorporated into existing frameworks. It threatens the load-bearing pillars of Western rationality itself: the assumption of a determinate past that grounds the present, a subject-object distinction that allows us to know things without fundamentally altering their prior existence, and a logical architecture where causes precede effects.


These aren't mere philosophical preferences. They undergird how Christianity has understood moral responsibility, divine action, revelation, the Incarnation as a historical event, and theological reasoning itself. Western Christianity—particularly in its more conservative streams—became deeply invested in the metaphysical picture that emerged from early modern philosophy: a mechanistic, deterministic universe of clearly bounded objects with definite properties existing independently of observation. This wasn't "biblical" in any obvious sense; it was a cultural synthesis, a marriage of Christian theology with Enlightenment rationalism. When quantum mechanics began undermining that picture, many Christians either ignored it or felt vaguely threatened without knowing quite what to do.


Yet here is the paradox: the metaphysical reality toward which quantum phenomena gesture might actually be more hospitable to Christian claims than the modern mechanistic worldview ever was. Christianity has always asserted things that sit awkwardly with strict materialism and deterministic causation—the Incarnation (divine and human natures in one person), the Eucharist (bread that is also body), resurrection (material continuity through radical discontinuity), the efficacy of prayer, the coexistence of human freedom and divine sovereignty. These have been perennial philosophical problems precisely because they don't fit neatly into the subject-object, cause-effect, determined-past framework that modernity offered. If quantum reality suggests that observation and observed aren't cleanly separable, that potentiality is ontologically real and not just epistemic ignorance, that the relationship between past and present is stranger than linear causation allows—then perhaps Christianity could inhabit that metaphysics more honestly than it ever inhabited the Newtonian one.


The earlier Christian metaphysical traditions, particularly in the East and in thinkers like Aquinas, had more sophisticated and less mechanistic ways of thinking about being, potentiality, causation, and the relationship between knower and known. The apophatic tradition, the Eastern emphasis on participation and theosis, the Scholastic discussions of primary and secondary causation—all of these might find less strained expression within a participatory, quantum-informed metaphysics than they did within the rigid categories of modern Western thought.


But accepting this metaphysical revolution carries implications that institutional Christianity has been reluctant to face. If reality is fundamentally participatory rather than transactional, if the divine is genuinely present wherever consciousness meets the transcendent with sincere openness, then the entire exclusivist framework that has dominated Western Christianity begins to crumble. The claim that "Jesus is the only way" makes a certain kind of sense in a universe of discrete, separated objects with clear boundaries and linear causation, where salvation is a transaction that happened at a specific point in space-time and must be accessed through a particular historical gate. But if reality is more like a participatory field where consciousness and being interpenetrate, where the observer is always already entangled with what's observed—then Christianity might be genuinely disclosing something real about the structure of reality without being exclusively true in the way it has typically claimed.


This is what makes the conversation genuinely dangerous from within institutional Christianity. It raises the possibility of a strange universe where God was both uniquely in Christ and yet also somehow participating in Hindu worship, in Sufi devotion, in Buddhist meditation. Not because "all religions are basically the same"—they clearly are not—but because all genuine religious encounter might participate in the same underlying mystery, which cannot be fully captured by any single tradition precisely because the observer is always entangled with what is observed.


This goes beyond the religious pluralism of theologians like John Hick, who argued that different religions are culturally conditioned responses to an unknowable Real. Hick's framework, for all its radicalism, still operates within a fundamentally modern epistemic picture—there's a Real "out there" that we perceive differently due to cultural filters. What quantum metaphysics suggests is more ontologically radical: the participatory act itself—the worship, the meditation, the ritual, the encounter—is somehow constitutive of what becomes real in that moment.


Here is why this remains unthinkable for much of institutional Christianity: it's hard to build an empire on Terrence McKenna. Empire requires boundaries—clear distinctions between inside and outside, saved and unsaved, orthodox and heretic, ours and theirs. It requires a metaphysics of separation that justifies hierarchy, exclusion, and control. You need definite objects with definite properties, linear causation you can trace and manage, a past that's fixed so you can claim unique access to it, and subjects cleanly separated from objects so you can position yourself as the necessary mediator between them. A participatory, boundary-dissolving metaphysics can build communities and practices, perhaps even traditions, but not institutions that wield temporal power. The metaphysics won't support the weight.


Yet even within this metaphysical revolution, Christianity might maintain its distinctiveness—not through exclusivist claims, but through its Trinitarian vision. The Trinity has always been Christianity's most radical metaphysical claim: three persons, one substance, a unity that doesn't erase distinction and distinctions that don't fracture unity. It has never fit comfortably into Western philosophy's either/or logic. It gestures toward a reality where relationship is ontologically prior to individuation, where being is fundamentally communal rather than atomistic, where identity is constituted through mutual indwelling (perichoresis) rather than through boundaries.


If the Trinity isn't just a puzzle about God but a revelation about the structure of reality itself, then a participatory, relational ontology starts to look less like foreign mysticism and more like what Christianity was gesturing toward all along but couldn't fully articulate within Hellenistic or modern Western categories. In this frame, Christ remains central not as the exclusive gate but as the definitive revelation of how divine and created participate in each other—the full actualization of what is potentially present in all genuine encounter with the transcendent. The Spirit becomes the active principle of that participation wherever it occurs. The Father remains the infinite ground that can never be exhausted by any particular manifestation.


This Trinitarian center, however, must be held with appropriate epistemic humility. The participatory metaphysics doesn't automatically guarantee that all religious experiences are equally valid encounters with the divine. There can still be illusion, projection, or confusion. What it warrants is generosity without certainty: an openness to the possibility that genuine divine encounter is happening in traditions we don't inhabit, without the presumption to pronounce definitively either way. Christianity can acknowledge that it cannot build exclusivist claims on a metaphysics that no longer holds, while also recognizing that it cannot flatten all religious experience into equivalence or pretend to know exactly what is happening in encounters we don't share.


What the new metaphysics entails, then, is a great gulf of unknowing, of mystery and uncertainty—but also a clear path rooted in love, in covenant. The participatory reality opens up radical uncertainty about ultimate things: about what's really happening in religious encounter, about the boundaries between traditions, about the mechanics of divine action. The old certainties that justified empire and exclusion dissolve into mystery. But that unknowing doesn't leave us paralyzed or relativistic. We still have the concrete, historical, embodied path that Christianity offers: the way of self-giving love revealed in Christ, the covenantal relationship with a God who is faithful, the practices of worship and community and transformation. Not because we can prove these are the only way metaphysically, but because this is our way, the participation we have been given, the disclosure we have received and found life-giving.


The path remains clear even as the map of ultimate reality becomes mysterious. We follow Christ not because we can demonstrate that other devotions are false or ineffective, but because this is where we have encountered the divine most fully, where love has grasped us, where we have been invited into covenant. It is epistemically humble but existentially committed—trust rather than certainty, faithfulness rather than metaphysical mastery. This mirrors the quantum situation itself: radical uncertainty about underlying reality, but clear, reproducible patterns in how we interact with it.


This vision gestures toward traditions that have maintained sacramental imagination and comfort with mystery—Catholicism and Orthodoxy certainly, but also strands of Protestantism that have resisted reduction to propositional certainty. The challenge falls most heavily on those forms of Protestantism, especially in Reformed and Evangelical expressions, that have located authority and certainty primarily in doctrinal statements and systematic theology that can be outlined and defended. When propositional certainty becomes untenable, identity formations built primarily on that foundation feel threatened at their core.


Yet Protestantism has never been monolithic. Mercersberg Theology in the 19th century emphasized incarnational theology and sacramental realism, recovering a sense of the church as organic participation in Christ's life rather than merely voluntary association around shared beliefs. Anglicanism and Episcopalianism have maintained the via media—a both/and rather than either/or approach—preserving liturgical rhythm, sacramental worship, and a comfort with ambiguity that allows for mystery alongside doctrine. These traditions, often sidelined within broader Protestant discourse, possess resources for navigating metaphysical revolution precisely because they never fully abandoned the participatory, embodied, and mysterious dimensions of faith.


The Orthodox especially have maintained that apophatic sensibility—the via negativa, the insistence that God exceeds all our categories, that we participate in divine mystery rather than comprehending it. That tradition never fully invested in the Western project of making everything rationally explicable and propositionally secure. But Protestantism at its best—in its mystical strands, its sacramental expressions, its emphasis on embodied discipleship in Anabaptist communities, even Wesley's insistence on experience and sanctification—has always had resources beyond bare propositionalism. The tragedy is not Protestantism itself, but the dominance of those forms most shaped by Enlightenment rationalism, forms that reduced Christian faith to beliefs that could be stated, defended, and used to police boundaries. In a participatory, mysterious universe where propositional certainty dissolves, those particular expressions find themselves without ground to stand on, while their sacramental, liturgical, and mystically-inclined siblings may discover they have been preparing for this moment all along.


The quantum experiments, then, are not merely scientific curiosities. They are invitations—or provocations—toward a different way of inhabiting Christian faith. A way that embraces mystery without abandoning revelation, that maintains Christ's centrality without claiming metaphysical monopoly, that stands firmly on the ground of love and covenant while acknowledging how little we ultimately know about the structure of ultimate reality. Whether Western Christianity can make this transition remains to be seen. But the experiments themselves will not stop asking their uncomfortable questions, and reality will not bend itself to accommodate our institutional needs for certainty and control. The choice is whether to follow where the evidence leads, even when it takes us into unfamiliar and potentially destabilizing territory, or to maintain a protective silence that grows less tenable with each passing year.

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Michie said:

The Church would not have spoken out about the it if it was not a problem in Mexico.

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chevyontheriver said:

Cradle Catholic. Almost left 50 years ago but discovered JPII and Joseph Ratzinger and Richard Neuhaus.

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The Barbarian said:

It now seems more of the moneyed "elite" were involved than previously suspected. I don't care who it takes down if they did those things; we need to be sure this doesn't happen again.

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essentialsaltes said:

The video shows Oz being driven around a section of Van Nuys where he says that about $3.5 billion worth of medicare fraud has been perpetrated by hospice and home care businesses, claiming that “it’s run, quite a bit of it, by the Russian Armenian mafia.”

At one point in the video, which was posted Tuesday on the agency’s official social media accounts, Oz stands in front of a sign for an Armenian bakery and says, “you notice that the lettering and language behind me is of that dialect and it also highlights the fact that this is an organized crime mafia deal.”

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In a letter to the Department of Health and Human Services, Newsom called on the agency to investigate “Dr. Oz’s baseless and racist allegations against Armenian Americans in California.”

Movses Bislamyan, the owner of the store whose sign is pictured in the video, told ABC7 News that he saw about a 30% drop in business the day after the viral video was posted.

“I am really disappointed,” he told the station. “Recording my signs, my location, and talking about some kind of fraud going on here. We have nothing to do with it.”

Hey, but your sign has weird looking letters on it. Turkish Americans going after Armenian Americans. Such great optics! And really, what is this celebrity video supposed to do? As Oz himself says "CMS and law enforcement will keep doing the actual work: going after fraudsters, period.” Well, let them get on with it, then. Have they done as much as the state of California?

Since 2021 the state Department of Justice has charged 109 people with hospice-related fraud and filed 24 civil suits related to hospice fraud. In the last two years, 280 hospices have been shuttered with their licenses revoked, according to data from the California Department of Public Health, which oversees licensing.

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BPPLEE said:

• A local police officer heard about Rhea's situation and provided life-changing help, in addition to a local college, which offered her housing

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