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Why do we need the Electoral College?

States can enforce those laws, including the replacement of the elector with someone else if they don't vote the way they pledged. There was a Supreme Court case about this a few years ago, Chiafolo v. Washington, where the constitutionality of such laws was challenged, but the Supreme Court upheld them as constitutional (unanimously at that, even if there was a little disagreement over the reasoning).
Fresh precedent, right before bunches of republicans were convinced that since they’d vote for whom they were declared, this part wouldn’t be worrisome, legally.
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Churches attacked on French island amid rising ‘Christianophobia’

Christ is offensive to evil. When a person hardens their heart, they do unspeakable evil. When people hate Christ, that is going to come out.

John 3:19
"This is the judgment: The light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil."

[Edit] Apologies, I did not see this was the Catholic section of the forum. Feel free to remove this comment.
No apologies needed

You’re entirely right
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Maryland high school shooting: 15-year-old student killed; 16-year-old arrested

O'Hair was a terrible, awful human being. I have little doubt that she was firmly under the control of the devil that she no doubt would have denied the existence of.
Agreed. I’m sure she has some regrets now.
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Dear Wormwood

Genre: Folk

The Oh Hellos is a folk band that always gives all the feels. I first listened to them 3 years ago when “Hello My Old Heart” popped up on my Spotify discover weekly.

What I didn’t know— they have a whole album based on C.S. Lewis’ writing. (side note: I’ve been reading Mere Christianity by him and I highly recommend) Thanks to my lovely Benjamin, he updated me on this beautiful album in the car on a three-hour drive back to Dartmouth.

I am an emotional person (most people know this); yet, it has been a long time since I have cried this much (Ben was crying too so).

This song is about the demon called Wormwood in “The Screwtape Letters”. I don’t know the whole entire story, but this song convinces me more that I have to read this book.

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K. Harris flip flop on Trump's Wall project - reported by CNN

Due to Kamala's extreme stance on border issues coupled with her statement that her values haven't changed in the least, I believe America deserves an explanation as to why she believes her prior stance was wrong and why she believes Trump's policies are better than whatever she's been doing...
good point --

and of course -- the inevitable result of such a transparently flawed tactic as Harris is using --

msn.com/en-us/news/politics/liberal-pollster-predicts-blowout-victory-for-presidential-candidate
"A liberal pollster's latest projection shows Donald Trump securing a blowout victory over Kamala Harris.
"Nate Silver's prediction places the Republican hopeful's chances of winning the electoral college vote at 63.8 percent, compared to 36 percent for Harris.


"Silver's modelling, published on his blog Silver Bulletin, also places Trump ahead in all of the crucial swing states.

"He predicts 312 electoral college votes for Trump versus 226 for Harris in a no toss-up map.

"The figure is a massive upswing on the 227 he won against Biden in 2020 "
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DC Talk - Free At Last (Movie, 2002)

Wasn't talking about now. Was talking about the majority of my adult life. Lots of sleepless nights due to paranoia and then developing a really bad habit. I am improving on this with the Lord's help (and supplements).
Nothing I can do for you, except pray. Mental healthcare should be free for everyone in my opinion, so folks like you can get help when needed. At least God is helping you, like He has been helping me.
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Fellowship Assurance

Blessings of God's New Convenant to restore his nation.

Romans 6:23 KJV
'For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.'

Jesus Christ is God that is forgiveness of sins.A God that is a free gift that is better then nothing(zero)
(A God that is forgiveness of sins, A God that is a free gift.Matthew 7:7-8 KJV)

Matthew 7:7-8 KJV
' Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: for every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. '

Written & spoken Word by Reginald Taylor Jr

How does one prepare for marriage?

The most important preparation for marriage is honesty. You must be willing to tell yourself the truth and face uncomfortable things about yourself. You need to understand who you are and who you wish to become before you talk to anyone. Recognizing your strengths and weaknesses will allow you to gauge what you can tackle on your own and the areas where support is needed.

Ideally, you want a complement. Someone who sees your potential and is willing to invest in your betterment. He doesn't think he's better or more important. But a co-laborer in the journey who recognizes your contribution and needs your help as well. That's why knowing what you're good at is important. Don't underestimate a quality because it isn't grand. There's a person craving the same this moment.

Now address your fears and don't be ashamed. If you want security admit it. This isn't the time to be superwoman. You need to be objective and consider the things that allow you to rest well at night and in peace. The things that bother may have no effect on someone else but that's okay.

The purpose of the exercise is to make an informed choice and for the other to know what he's getting. Relationships built on truth have a stronger foundation than those built on deception. Don't allow your mistakes to make you timid but acknowledge how you've learned from them and moved forward.

The final component is worthiness. If you don't believe you're deserving of love and care nothing matters. When you believe those words you'll decline situations which may meet your needs temporarily or sate the loneliness. But it won't give you the things you've determined you needed most. You are your greatest advocate besides the Lord. If you won't champion you who will?

You must understand that no and not now isn't never and view the time between it's fulfillment as an opportunity to do the things which may be difficult later on. Like school. When you marry you have more demands. How would you like your life to look when you do?

That's the fun question. Once you've talked the hard stuff paint a picture. Describe your life. How do you look? Where do you live? How are the kids? Do you have more? What do you do for a living? How do you spend your free time? What is your relationship like? Do you travel? How's your lifestyle?

Articulating your heart's desire is important. That's how you determine what matters most. If you want to see the world choose a man with a similar wanderlust. When you know your dreams you'll know who's speaking your language or not.

Take all you've discovered in prayer to the Lord with thanksgiving and entrust it's fulfillment in His timing and ask Him to prepare you and He will.

~bella
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How old was Jesus when he died?

Luke 3:


John mentioned three or four Passovers during Jesus' ministry.

John 2:


John 5 was a possible Passover:


John 6:


John 11:


Jesus' public ministry was >2 but <4 years. Taking the middle value, he probably died at 33.
In His mid-30s, so probably between 33 and 37, assuming a birth year of 4 BC and a death year of 30 AD or 33 AD.
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There is Something Far More Wicked Than Witches in the Land of Oz !

Even Heathens understand when they are being stolen from. Our father in heaven will leave all without excuse; because he reveals himself though his creation. Even Heathens have some sense of morality.

Even a two year old understands the word "mine." He understands when someone is unrightfully taking something from him.

As he morally matures he will learn that everyone has their own "mine."

Esteem to our Heavenly Father for revealing to Baum, the injustice that was set before him and the fellow countrymen of his day, and the injustice, bondage and death, that was thrust onto the world as a result of its' expansion.

I guess I'm not understanding how something true or useful that is in your posts above somehow dismisses the points that I made in my posts. The points made within my posts above have nothing to do with economics and "just weights" but rather a different set of matters. By the way, did you read sections 10 & 12 in your linked article?

In reflection upon the genre of article you chose to post, I've likewise linked the following, and I we can all see that like so many authors of fiction, there's an underlying allegory built within it:


My apologies if The Wizard of Oz is somehow a work dear to your heart, but I'm more concerned with---and bothered by---his Theosophical philosophy, whether it seems he was quickened and enlightened by the Spirit to produce a Populist allegory, ... or not.

And in inferential reflection, just because we all may appreciate the work of Susan B. Anthony, which I do, doesn't also mean I have to appreciate the work and influence of her compatriot, Matilda Joslyn Gage.
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Where is our mandate to insist that the secular world (i.e. government) legislate Christian morality?

Everyone has different ideas about what to include as far as morality. God's will includes:
1 Peter 2:13-14 (KJV)
13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

So God intends rulers to punish evildoers. The question though is how and what does this entail. Rosseau had idea to "force men to be free." By "the general will", "Rousseau means a volition or a desire to pursue a common interest or good. It could be considered the shared, collective commitment to a common ideal or value of a people." https://study.com/academy/lesson/general-will-overview-significance.html#:
That is like the Post-Liberal position of Vance. However, you could have all kinds of common values, Christian or otherwise. Adultery could be a crime, cohabitation, or other sexual practices. Speech as well. The Constitution would protect some of these things in the USA because the founders knew that even "Christian" ideas often did not have a consensus so they leaned heavily on individual rights which I think was a great choice.
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Pope Francis to 2024 International Eucharistic Congress: The Eucharist teaches us fraternity

The gift of the Eucharist helps us to become the body of Christ for others, Pope Francis said in a video message sent to the 2024 International Eucharistic Congress in Quito, Ecuador, on Sunday.

The Eucharist teaches us how to have, the pope said in his message recorded at the Vatican, “a profound brotherhood, born of union with God, born of allowing ourselves to be ground, like wheat, so that we can become bread, the body of Christ, thus participating fully in the Eucharist and in the assembly of the saints.”

The 53rd International Eucharistic Congress is taking place in Quito, Ecuador, Sept. 8–15, in commemoration of the 150th anniversary of the country’s consecration to the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

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new Perry Stone dream

I listen sometimes to Perry Stone and many other prophecy guys...sometimes he can be an idiot but I mostly like him and record his talks so I can listen at night.
He posted another dream thing he has had before about tsunamis in the USA. This is an interesting recurring dream because I and other believers have had this one too. The version I had was 3 years ago and it took place just above the Los Angeles basin up towards Santa Clarita where the 6 flags theme park used to be. That is about 1000 ft above the basin.I saw the whole basin getting flooded also but I was ok because I was up higher in the San Gabriel Mts or close to them. The water filled the basin .I am not an LA guy at all but always liked visiting it mostly for the food. Just a few times. Anyway Stones version is very similar and I also had one about some kind of major water disaster up by Eureka Ca. But it didn't destroy the place permanently, some people managed to survive and stay there. That will probably be the case on the Cal. coast south too..it will reduce the population a lot but won't kill the culture there forever. I think we will see land disasters in the next 3 years ,if I had to guess. If you live there get prepared to leave for awhile while it recovers. Have a place up north to go to. Thats what I would say is the best plan.
I saw some of the Perry Stone episode with Mario Murillo doing the interview. Both a California Tsunami and ine on the east coast around South Caroline. These could very well be valid but I thought it was rather hyperbole that some of the scripture references he used were about fleeing to the mountains. From what I read going about 12 miles inland would protect you. "Waves of this type are called Mega Tsunami. They are so great that they can reach several hundred meters in height, travel at the speed of a jet aircraft and get up to 12 miles (20 Kilometers) inland." Source: Mega Tsunamis | Wave of Destruction: Also for South some parts of S. Carolina there are barrier islands.

I will share two things about prophecy that I think are important. First, a better translation.
Hebrews 11:1 (GW) Faith assures us of things we expect and convinces us of the existence of things we cannot see.
You do not hope for a Tsunami. You can have faith for one though. Heb 11, says Noah feared, that is not hope. Plus the saints that were martyred, stoned etc. Heb. 11:36 So faith is evidence of what is expected is a far better biblical translation.
A second thing that I heard from the late David Pawson, was that sometimes you can start out in prophecy and it is from the Lord and then you can at some point shift to being in the flesh. I am not saying Perry did this, but you do not always need a 40 minutes interview to speculate on all the possible things. Stone seems reasonable but I know that some other youtube prophets are so much about entertainment that if they had a word from God you would have to sift through a lot of minutes to find it. If it was even true in the first place.
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Kamala Harris hiding far-left record by adopting MAGA policies

Given Harris' past, if I were liberal I might be concerned too that she is not principled but instead just an opportunist. As a President an opportunist might actually move to the center. She would have to cast aside some of her handlers though and her pick of Walz is as far left as one can get.
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JD Vance: Isolationist or rustbelt advocate?

You write a very nice synopsis of Vance and his policies. Except that Vance has his priorities wrong. Support for Ukraine saves American lives. The new axis of evil is forming and America is involved already. We are fortunate that Ukraine has degraded and exposed Russia so it is far less of a threat. We all will have to thank Biden when the Middle East or Chinese fronts open up or widen for US involvement. Vance and some GOP on the right will be shown they were wrong. Russia and China are far more connected than what most realize. Last years trade figures show a 40% increase and there are many other signs.

Of course this is all speculative, but there are quite a few experts that suggest this. The opposing blocs are hardening.

The alternative is that the USA will not fulfill its commitments to the Philippines or Taiwan. That is possible but it would be a huge set back to USA being the world leader and more nations would cozy up to the Chinese so likely that would be kicking the can down the road.
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Should Christians study philosophy?

Whether we realize it or not and want to admit it or not, we are all philosophers. We all have a world view and thus a philosophy of life.

Metaphysics - what is there beyond what we perceive with the senses?
Axiology - what and how do we value
Epistemology - what and how do we know?
Logic - How do we reason?
Ethics - what is right? What should we do and not do?
Political Philosophy - How should we govern?
Aesthetics - what is beauty? What is art?
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Preterism ends now ...but futurists are not right either

Since he brings up those who "keep His commandments", I'm assuming he believes one must keep them in the flesh and therefore work your way to heaven.
i brought that Verse up because it refers to the 144,000 during and after A.D. 70. (Nazarenes and Ebionites)
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Saudi Crown Prince buys painting of Christ for his new museum...Is this significant for the end times?

He didn't buy it recently. He bought it back in 2017. Supposedly for the Louvre Abu Dhabi. But it went to the Lourve in Paris where it was shown for a little while. But, the Saudi's threw a hissy fit when the French wouldn't display it beside the Mona Lisa (for security reasons).

From there it went back to Saudi where its whereabouts have been a bit uncertain. Some say on the Prince's yacht. Some say in storage somewhere in Saudi, some say in storage in Geneva.

In any event, the plan as far as is known, is for it to be hung in a new museum in somewhere in Saudi. Some say that will be a complex called Wadi Alfann others say it will be in yet another branch of the Louvre in Riyadh.

But, the purchase and eventual display of the painting is all part of the Saudi's massive investment in sports, entertainment, art, architecture, etc. Its a effort to try and turn the image of Saudi from an oppressive oil rich regime to one where (they hope) the arts, sports and entertainment will cause them to be seen in a better light and bring in tourism dollars. Similar to UAE / Abu Dhabi.
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Talking about a Statement of Faith I wrote

Canon 24. (Greek xxvii.)​

That nothing be read in church besides the Canonical Scripture

Item, that besides the Canonical Scriptures nothing be read in church under the name of divine Scripture.

But the Canonical Scriptures are as follows:

  • Genesis.
  • Exodus.
  • Leviticus.
  • Numbers.
  • Deuteronomy.
  • Joshua the Son of Nun.
  • The Judges.
  • Ruth.
  • The Kings, iv. books.
  • The Chronicles, ij. books.
  • Job.
  • The Psalter.
  • The Five books of Solomon.
  • The Twelve Books of the Prophets.
  • Isaiah.
  • Jeremiah.
  • Ezechiel.
  • Daniel.
  • Tobit.
  • Judith.
  • Esther.
  • Ezra, ij. books.
  • Macchabees, ij. books.
    • The New Testament.
      • The Gospels, iv. books.
      • The Acts of the Apostles, j. book.
      • The Epistles of Paul, xiv.
      • The Epistles of Peter, the Apostle, ij.
      • The Epistles of John the Apostle, iij.
      • The Epistles of James the Apostle, j.
      • The Epistle of Jude the Apostle, j.
      • The Revelation of John, j. book.
Let this be sent to our brother and fellow bishop, Boniface, and to the other bishops of those parts, that they may confirm this canon, for these are the things which we have received from our fathers to be read in church.
But there were still questions being raised about what authority the deuterocanonical books had compared to the core canon throughout history. Different church fathers had some various stances, etc. There is reason why these books have been distinguished from the rest and called Deuterocanonical, and this term was coined by a Catholic, not a Protestant.

The original Hebraic Canon has not been known to contain these books.
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Tucker Carlson Repeats the Conspiracy Theory, that the Nazis Didn't Really Plan the Holocaust

A tub has to stand on it's own legs and if the guest said things that can be shown false, why would anyone care if they had a degree or not? Looking at Tucker we find this

"Tucker applied for admission to several prestigious universities but was turned down. With the help of his future father-in-law, he was eventually accepted by Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut."

It is commonly said that history is written by the people who won the wars. So having 'credentials' from institutions in some countries would not be a positive thing in many cases when researching what probably actually happened. Let's face it, universities in some western countries could not so much as tell you the difference between a man and a woman. If we looked at the media we might find a lot of degrees and education in people there. However, most of the media lately seems to be in the same choir of propaganda dispersal rather than any sort of search for truth. So when I see someone (especially in admitted ignorance) claim that alternative sources must be bad and wrong because they lack 'credentials' that says to me that they have chosen a belief set and automatically dislike other opinions.

What??? :scratch: I wasn't talking about Tucker in my post above. Did you read my previous post?
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