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Trump calls Epstein disclosures battle ‘a Democrat hoax’

Trump denies visiting the island, so if these people on "his side" are truthful, it would be another case of Trump lying. If Trump wasn't lying, then the people on "his side" are lying.
Again, if Trump visited the island, he must be a pedophile. At least according to the court of public opinion. Shame of the pilot who molested all those children.
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Another New World Order?

Way back when the Berlin wall was breaking down, George Bush Snr and compatriots were fond of quoting a "new world order".

They weren't looking very far ahead. Now there is another "new world order" on the horizon, this time led by China, with India a rising star while Russia has trouble subjugating Ukraine.


Since they spouted their NWO rhetoric, there have been two Gulf Wars, 9/11 and war in Afghanistan which ironically was one of the factors which led to the fall of the USSR. China is enjoying a meteoric rise in just about very field, and Islam has become an emerging force, while the Church struggles in the West.

Crystal balls in politics are notoriously fickle.

Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

Whatever happened to the party of personal responsibility?
We still do not support legalizing all drugs.

These drug invaders were held personally responsible for their actions.
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Revelation 12 walk through

Was there ever a statement from Jewish Israel, that they were unified with the lost tribes, in 1948?
Have you asked your Jewish friends whether they think that? My Jewish/Russian friend certainly does not.

Beulah theorized? What is clearly Prophesied in Isaiah 62:1-5, is not theory.
The Bible Prophets tell us that Gods peoples are from every tribe, race, nation and language, But from many Prophesies, we can see that they will mainly; be descendants of Jacob.

I have bumped heads with you many times over this and your charts, as above. I have refuted and proved you to be wrong, and you have no rebuttal, but you just continue to post the same old false beliefs. This is really an untenable situation; an indisputable correction should result in a change of belief.
Paul has this to say about those who build their house/ beliefs on shaky foundations; they will enter the Kingdom, but only by passing thru fire. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15
Wow! Your dogmatism has taken a nasty turn! Since when does a disagreement over a peripheral belief mean that someone can only enter Heaven through fire?
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

You might be surprised to learn people suspected of a crime, even terrorists, have rights too.
If they are caught and captured here i would say yes. On their way here, I say no.

And we killed a LOT of Nazis before any were put on trial.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

The Intercept: Pentagon Official: Trump Boat Strike Was a Criminal Attack on Civilians

The lethal strike on a boat in the Caribbean on Tuesday was a criminal attack on civilians, according to a high-ranking Pentagon official who spoke to the Intercept on the condition of anonymity.​
...“The U.S. is now directly targeting civilians. Drug traffickers may be criminals but they aren’t combatants,” the Department of Defense official said. “When Trump fired the military’s top lawyers the rest saw the writing on the wall, and instead of being a critical firebreak they are now a rubber stamp complicit in this crime.”​
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth offered his own justification for the strike the same day. “Every boatload of any form of drug that poisons the American people is an imminent threat. And at the DoD our job is to defeat imminent threats,” he told a group of journalists. “A foreign terrorist organization poisoning your people with drugs coming from a drug cartel is no different than Al Qaeda, and they will be treated as such as they were in international waters.”​
Two U.S. government officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that Hegseth’s justification – which one called “completely unserious” – took shape after the attack.​
Experts said Hegseth’s rationale was flimsy, if not farcical....​
Yep there are still leftist ideologues in tge government who will oppose anything Trump does and will side with narco terrorists.

Democrats really should keep it up. Siding or defending murderers and criminals and terrorists is always a winning strategy.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

In Romans. It’s the governments God given responsibility to protect its citizens from evil doers. And thats what the government did.
I don’t believe you. Quote the part that says suspected drug traffickers can be blown out of the water by the military.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

No they don't when involving invading our country with their products that kill Americans.
The Caribbean is not our country. There was no invasion of our country here. Flimsy excuses for murdering 11 people.
They are terrorists and have no rights.
You might be surprised to learn people suspected of a crime, even terrorists, have rights too.

Even the Nazis were given a trial.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

Or do you just believe whatever the government says?
As opposed to you who never believes what the government says? No matter who is in the presidents seat?
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

Where did God say it’s ok to preemptively blow up a boat in international waters if the occupants are suspected drug traffickers?
In Romans. Its the governments God given responsibility to protect its citizens from evil doers. And thats what the government did.
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Is belief/non-belief a morally culpable state?

It's not just a matter of lying to one's self; it's consciously holding a contradiction....as if it's true! That's impossible, I think. :)
The art of deception (mind manipulation) is about turning positives into negatives and negatives into positives, or making them appear as if they're equally the same so no one can see the difference.

Any reasoning based on something false will end in a contradiction. We can consciously hold contradictory thoughts ---> Cognitive dissonance, Happens all the time.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

Maybe you don’t know this (or you just don’t care) but suspected drug dealers and traffickers and anyone accused of a crime also have rights and protections under our laws. That’s what makes us better than the terrorists.
No they don't when involving invading our country with their products that kill Americans. They are terrorists and have no rights. Anymore than any other terrorist overseas who is blown up with a drone.
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Is belief/non-belief a morally culpable state?

That's exactly why Meister Eckhart claims we should live without a "Why?" God is the eternal now, and always will be. Now is the day of salvation, and so on.
The Op states ---> Please avoid theological subjects. The term God in scripture is axiomatic, meaning ---> There is a source of the energy that formed all things. So, let's just say The Source of the energy that formed all things, or better yet, The Eternal.

Speaking of NOW, Einstein's special theory of relativity proves that Light/photons from a star born billions of light years away arrives at our telescope instantaneously from when it left the star from the photon's point of view. By the way, Photons can carry information which is how we see.
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Israel-Hamas Thread II

Thanks for clarifying, I was confused about what you were saying.

The thing is though most places one group can still mix with another without any problems, especially when in rhe same region. While our culture might be a bit different than Canada, we could easily go live in Canada without much trouble and Canadians could come here. In fact it appears that almost anyone from anywhere can come here to America and live here. And Americans will allow it as long as you are here legally and don't cause any trouble. We have people here from all over the world and we are pretty tolerant about it.

An Irishman, could go live in England and vice versa or a Fenchman could live in Ireland and vice versa. Language might be a bit if a barrier, but you could adjust to the culture fairly quickly if allowed to live there.

It doesn't seem to be that way with other Arabic countries and the Palestinians. Are their cultures that wildly different? What is it that is so wildly different that they just can't adapt or fit in? Rhe Arabic countries aren't tolerant at all about rhe Palestinians apparently.
How would the USA feel about having to accommodate a large block of Canadians as in several million? Maybe not so accommodating.
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Trump dispenses with trials, orders military strike on alleged Venezuelan drug-trafficking boat (Now up to 2, 3, 4...)

It blows my mind how easily conservatives have abandoned their valuing of due process and reading comprehension.

Nobody here "defending narco terrorists on top of ms-13 rapist[sic] and murders[sic]". You imagined that.
Narco terrorists are no different than ISIS terrorists. If we caught a boat load of ISIS headed this way I would hope we'd just blow it up.

These evil people who are bringing in things that enslave and kill thousands of Americans a year, dont deserve a trial and don't deserve to be locked up to take up space in our jails. They deserve to be blown to smithereens.

You have misunderstood our position on due process obviously. Those who are here and are arrested on our soil, get due process. Those coming here with things that will kill Americans is an invasion of terrorists and deserve nothing but a very large missile.
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Is belief/non-belief a morally culpable state?

Yeah, that's the key. How can we know when we are biased? What helps us see our epistemic faults?
I study semantics particular to psycholinguistics.

We project bias in the absence of proof. The question 'Why?' is eternally regressive. So, without axioms there can be no logic nor mathematics. This is an axiom ---> Something is true. Another axiom --->something is false. True/false is a fundamental dichotomy.

Fact --->What is True precedes a lie in existence because the lie only exists to undermine what is true. Positive/negative is therefore a cycle of energy. <--- This is important for sound reasoning when discerning positive from negative.

We therefore can conduct "Subjective semantic analysis" applying objectively true dichotomies. ---> Positive prejudice vs. negative prejudice, Trust/distrust, Reasonable/unreasonable. ---> Hence, it's reasonable to presume someone is innocent until proven guilty and it's unreasonable to presume someone is guilty till proven innocent.
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