• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

Phillies Karen dominating the Internet

A woman wearing Phillies gear missed out on a Harrison Bader home run ball that landed near her. It was scooped up by a dad a few seats over, who gave it to his son. Then the Karen came over and gave the dad an earful, so the dad capitulated and handed it over just to make her go away.

Login to view embedded media
The only person delighted by this is the Coldplay couple who are delighted to hand over their “the world hates us” trophy to somebody else.
Upvote 0

Trump's plan is working.

Login to view embedded media
It seems as though that all Trump has to do is merely threaten to send National Guard troops to blue cities for them to finally pull up their bootstrap and finally take their crime seriously. Sounds like a win win.

The city and the state have been taking crime seriously for quite a while. That you think this represents some big shift in policy shows that you don’t know any more about this city than Trump does.

Also, I see now why Fox 45 (owned by Sinclair) has a reputation for being Trumpy. The stats she cited about crime dropping in DC are ridiculous - they’re comparing the past two weeks of 2025 with the same two weeks in 2024, while ignoring whether there was any decline this year prior to the past two weeks. (psst, there was)

When I looked it up and got various different lists. One had Pueblo, Colorado as number 10. The one above has differences too. None of the ones I found had Seattle as one of the 10.

You get different lists because each list sets a different lower bound for population size. Setting the threshold at 100k, 500k, or 1m can give you drastically different results.
Upvote 0

Would ai be a witness to the second coming?

Well not exactly. When God says every eye will see him I kind of tend to believe him. I personally think that ai will witness the second coming of Jesus christ as well but I was curious as to the opinions of others.

It seems I'm alone on this one but when God mentions that every eye will see him I tend to think that. I mean if Jesus comes in a way that can be interpreted with data and there are things like news reports, video recordings, written testimonies, scientific measurements (like sudden global events people documented), then ai could interpret that data and “witness” it in the sense of reading and interpreting the news articles and written testimonies.

It's not as far fetched as you guys might think. Ai might not physically have eyes to see but they can still witness the second coming of Jesus.
Upvote 0

AI is the shiny new toy — why the alarm?

You still need senior developers and software architects and UX designers. Ai is increasing the productivity of those in IT, making some junior positions redundant such as the junior systems operator or CCNA or entry programmer, but conversely its also creating jobs in the form of prompt engineers since enterprise use of AI is non-trivial - it has to be programmed and its interactions with others have to be programmed.

Yes, I realize that.j

I meant to round about say that about needing senior dev's / architects by mentioning only mid-level and jr. However, I do personally know Many senior levels that have been laid off as well because while business does still think they need some of them, they hope they will not need as many.

From what I've seen thus far tech layoffs exceed tech hiring and much (but not all) is because of AL. Now to be fair, it is possible business has gone too far (at least short term) and will need to hire people back because AI doesn't prove to be the cheap snake oil they hoped it would be.

You cannot deny it's impact on jobs. If it was creating jobs there would not be as many in the tech sector looking for work...
Upvote 0

A conversation about unity.

Acts 9:17 records that Ananias laid hands on Saul (Paul) after his Damascus Road conversion.
Acts 13:3 describes the Church at Antioch laying hands on Paul and Barnabas before sending them on mission

You miss the point - Apostolic succession passes on the Apostolic anointing from an Apostle to the candidate.

In the case of Paul this did not happen - we have it on record that He served as an Apostle and planted churches well before he met with them - in fact they accepted His ministry and he was emphatic that he did not derive his status from them. Read Galatians 1
Upvote 0

Question for my Catholic brothers and sisters

Yes, I think Padre Pio would be a figure analogous in some respects to St. Seraphim, although closer probably to St. John of Kronstadt. Definitely a man of great love and a great Catholic saint.

One thing to look forward to when our churches reunite is writing the liturgical services for our respective saints in the styles of the different liturgical rites. The proper hymns for the Roman Rite and the Troparion, Kontakion and Canon for the Byzantine Rite (most of the liturgical variability in the Eastern liturgies actually happens in Matins and to a lesser degree in Vespers. I believe one benefit of unity is that it will likely increase attendance at the beautiful Roman Liturgy of the Hours, which has been an objective of your church since before the Council of Trent.

I think Pope Leo XIV should consider requiring all parishes celebrate the Office of Readings and Lauds before at least one Sunday mass and Vespers after at least one Saturday mass, or alternately celebrate them together as a vigil which is the norm in the Slavonic tradition, which has the advantage of creating a nice big service which has enough content to attract people (but combined with the mass it might be too long for Roman Rite Christians used to shorter services - the average Orthodox Divine Liturgy is two hours including the Third and Sixth Hours, and the Vigils is two and a half hours, which is the average length of the Liturgy if a bishop is present or it is a major feast, with Pascha being four hours. Conversely, in those churches like the Greek church which do Vespers on Saturday night and Matins on Sunday morning, Vespers and Matins tend to take an hour each.

The Slavonic model takes Vespers, Compline, the Midnight Office, Matins and Prime and combines them (and in some cases the Ninth Hour is added), for a lovely two and a half hour service, but people do not expect to receive the Eucharist at it, but they might receive artoklasia (Holy Water) or holy myrhh from the relics and icons.

The Roman Breviary, or Liturgy of the Hours, is extremely beautiful and it thoroughly frustrates me that one has to either go to a cathedral or a monastery in most cases to experience it (also the Oratorians, one of my favorite Catholic religious orders, usually celebrate it as well to some extent).
I’m lost in this diatribe. What does this have to do with the topic of the thread?
Upvote 0

Pray for our Orthodox brethren

from your link above..

"The action comes a year after the Ukrainian Parliament passed a law banning the Moscow-based Russian Orthodox Church due to its strong support of the Russian invasion of Ukraine."

note - the Moscow-based Russian Orthodox church blessed Putin's invasion of Ukraine at the start of the war.

"The law also authorized banning any organization tied to the Russian church. A government investigation into the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, with its centuries-old ties to Moscow, soon followed."

"The UOC denounced the full-blown Russian invasion from the start in 2022. It declared its independence from the Moscow church the same year and reiterated that stance in 2025.

"Even so, the government says the UOC has refused to take necessary steps, such as revising its governing documents, to complete that separation."

Forgive me, I thought you supported absolute religious freedom?
Upvote 0

The Conjunction of Opposites

“The opposites always balance one another—good and evil, beauty and ugliness, love and hate, spirit and matter. Heaven and hell are born together. The dissolution of opposites is the precondition of the highest consciousness.”

Comic books/super hero movies are obsessed with balancing good vs evil. It makes good fiction, but it isn't reality.

If you look at the Biblical perspective, good existed for untold eternity before evil manifested itself. Evil is allowed to exist for a short period of time. Good is restored for eternity. Hardly opposites that balance one another. In the face of eternal good, a temporary evil never stood a chance.
  • Like
Reactions: JulieB67
Upvote 0

Question for rapture people

There is too much trust in the rapture in any case, when we should be focused on bettering things for this world for God, the Creator of it all.
Hi Fred,

I hear what you say and there needs to be a balance.

`To those who wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.` (Heb. 9: 28)
Upvote 0

6,000 Years?

The lack of a sun for the first three days of Creation make those "evenings" and "mornings" problematic, don't you think?
(And just for entertainment porpoises, how long are "evenings" and "morning" at the earth's poles? )
s

No actually. It seems appropriate to placing fully intended boundaries upon a time frame shortly to be established, according to that very time frame. Not to mention appropriate to the understanding of beings whose only experience will be within those very time frames as well. Having being created after they were established by the word of God.

As far as the poles go, we do not even know if earths original land masses were at the poles, as the global flood completely changed the surface of the earth. Even evolutionists believe in a prior super continent or Pangea, I do believe. Which may not have extended to the poles, but remained within the more mild climates of the earth. Nevertheless, even if there was land to be occupied at the poles at creation, humanity would have no problem keeping time without the usual evenings and mornings elsewhere. They weren't some kind of evolutionary ape like creatures after all, but highly intelligent and intellectual beings at the hight of human perfection being created in the image of God Himself.
Nice try, but nothing has made God allegorical, just the "days" of Creation. But you may want to allegorize this:
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing: that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day".

See above. You may want to square St, Peter away when the opportunity arises.

Why would I want to square Peter away for a reference about God which is no doubt very true. What is time to Him who has no beginning or end. Time is relevant to us as created beings according to His own purposes, we most certainly are subject to it this side of heaven. The statement was not made concerning the length of creation days, but rather future scoffers who would deny the global flood and coming future judgement.

2Pe 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Here's all you really need to know about the Creation:

Here's all you really need to know about Creation:
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made.

Who are you to say that the above scriptures are all I need to know about Creation, in direct contradiction to the word of God Himself which provides far more information about it? Who do you think you are? God Himself said -

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,..................
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


Do you really think I am going to ignore the words of God above, because you have suggested I do so because that is all I need to know? Get a grip man.

Psa 33:1 Rejoice in the LORD, O ye righteous: for praise is comely for the upright. 2 Praise the LORD with harp: sing unto him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings. 3 Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise. 4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth. 5 He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD. 6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast. 10 The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought: he maketh the devices of the people of none effect. 11 The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.

2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


Why should anyone else be limited in their understanding or sharing of the word of God, by the limitations you have set upon yourself?
Upvote 0

Prayer requests post here!

General update for those who have prayed for me and supported me:

I have a new job with more hours and more money in a different city. My wife’s going to be making less money - the number of Russians in our town is shrinking, as they either move onto Western Europe or return to Russia, but I’ll be making more than before. A huge part of the question is, will my body be able to hold up under the increased workload at my age? Our younger daughter will be attending the new school I work at; the old school was a disaster, with only a few kids, her age who formed a clique and shut her out, leading to the catastrophe this last spring. That’ll suck some of my payback (€350-400), but at least we have an option for her.

I’m trying to hold on to my other online students, both so as not to have all my eggs in one basket, and to be able to make online payments both here and in Russia. but it’s liable to have me working full-time six days a week.

We still don’t have a path back to Russia, and my family wants to live there, I’m not at all sure that I do anymore, though I do have a few friends there. It seems like the sense of betrayal and break up of what had been a vibrant parish life is something I’d rather not deal with. And there’s the issue of ongoing sanctions, blocking me from taking my Russian registered car back.

I survived the summer, I’m still alone for another week or so, it’s been almost 3 months of complete loneliness and isolation. My family is returning soon. The new school HAS to work out for my daughter; if it doesn’t, we are basically agreeing that the women folk will return to Russia after the new year, leaving me alone again.

I have a 45-50 minute commute, I’m afraid of things like falling asleep at the wheel. I have trouble sleeping at night, and generally wake up in the middle of the night for 2 to 3 hours, and then desperately desire a nap in the afternoon, something I’m mostly not going to be able to get.

However, so far the new school is very welcoming and I’ve quickly become very popular among the middle school kids grades five, six, and seven that I’m teaching. Alas, I have a couple of children that look like girls that everyone affirms are boys, the influence of the Russian leftist community that fled Russia. Most of the kids are Russian, several Ukrainians, one local Montenegrin boy, and a girl from Turkey. I have to help them all develop academic skills, including things like translating, so I have to keep working on my Serbian and Turkish.

So we hope that things will be OK with cash here, my main problem is going to be getting money to convert into euros to send to my children in Germany. i’m going to try to squeeze in a couple of adult students I worked with this summer, but it won’t be enough. But at the moment, for now, we have enough to get by. Continued prayers appreciated, living in exile is no fun, and I can’t really recommend it.

Thank you all very much for your prayers and help!

We love you very much and are praying for you.
Upvote 0

Question for my Catholic brothers and sisters

Saint Seraphim sound a lot like Padre Pio, there is much written about him as a confessor, as well as being a mystic. Saint Seraphim obviously had a big effect on a multitude of people, God seems to bring forth such saints when they are needed.

Yes, I think Padre Pio would be a figure analogous in some respects to St. Seraphim, although closer probably to St. John of Kronstadt. Definitely a man of great love and a great Catholic saint.

One thing to look forward to when our churches reunite is writing the liturgical services for our respective saints in the styles of the different liturgical rites. The proper hymns for the Roman Rite and the Troparion, Kontakion and Canon for the Byzantine Rite (most of the liturgical variability in the Eastern liturgies actually happens in Matins and to a lesser degree in Vespers. I believe one benefit of unity is that it will likely increase attendance at the beautiful Roman Liturgy of the Hours, which has been an objective of your church since before the Council of Trent.

I think Pope Leo XIV should consider requiring all parishes celebrate the Office of Readings and Lauds before at least one Sunday mass and Vespers after at least one Saturday mass, or alternately celebrate them together as a vigil which is the norm in the Slavonic tradition, which has the advantage of creating a nice big service which has enough content to attract people (but combined with the mass it might be too long for Roman Rite Christians used to shorter services - the average Orthodox Divine Liturgy is two hours including the Third and Sixth Hours, and the Vigils is two and a half hours, which is the average length of the Liturgy if a bishop is present or it is a major feast, with Pascha being four hours. Conversely, in those churches like the Greek church which do Vespers on Saturday night and Matins on Sunday morning, Vespers and Matins tend to take an hour each.

The Slavonic model takes Vespers, Compline, the Midnight Office, Matins and Prime and combines them (and in some cases the Ninth Hour is added), for a lovely two and a half hour service, but people do not expect to receive the Eucharist at it, but they might receive artoklasia (Holy Water) or holy myrhh from the relics and icons.

The Roman Breviary, or Liturgy of the Hours, is extremely beautiful and it thoroughly frustrates me that one has to either go to a cathedral or a monastery in most cases to experience it (also the Oratorians, one of my favorite Catholic religious orders, usually celebrate it as well to some extent).
Upvote 0

I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

Everyone still sins. None are sinless.

Sins are not counted against people. Sins are and will remain counted against devils. Those who try to work their way through these subjects without the devil and his messengers on the table have voided views, actually blinded by those same.

No one can come to grips with this until they see and admit to the internal presence of the tempter. If they don't the door of understanding remains firmly locked.

It's never a one or the other arrangement

All people do both good and evil regardless of their claims to only good. And we do so courtesy of the enemies unseen

Never happened ^
Free will is off the table as soon as we see evil is baked in to the equations and none avoid that conclusion. Romans 7:21 is an honest conclusion as is 2 Cor. 12:7, Gal. 4:14, 1 Tim. 1:15, 1 John 3:8, Mark 4:15 all applied personally

If these we questions or claims only of the person you'd have a point but that's never been the case

No kidding

No one stops sinning and becomes sinless



There us no choice available to eliminate the presence of evil i.e. the evil conscience, Heb 10:22, and this is courtesy of the tempter and his own, Romans 11:32, Eph. 2:2

What we should walk away with is at least honesty and dropping hypocrisy, thinking we're the better of our neighbors because we're not. We just see our condition and divide from it, knowing it's no longer I. Romans 7:17-20

Uh no. We achieve dominion over sin but that never means eradication

Whatever we do we do so with the presence of evil and sin. The classic light shining from darkness in allegorical terms

Our conscience is exercised by good and evil, never just one or the other

Jesus said if we do all we are commanded to STILL term ourselves "unprofitable servants" Look it up. We are not even considered disciples unless we hate our own life Luke 14:26

With evil in the picture it's an easy place to get to

Excusing Satan from these pictures is just a common evil work of same

Doesn't apply to the adversary. No dodging, no joke
Your premise is one of defeatism masking as virtue. Although it is true we cannot expect to be completely sin free, there are varying degrees of sin. Those that deny this often use it as an excuse to keep sinning.
They will say that the habit of sin is too hard to break, so they won’t even try. Scripture says no adulterers will enter the kingdom of heaven and those that look on a woman with lust commits adultery. They say that is too hard. I can’t help but watch porn and touch, but I still go to church and say I love Jesus. Wrong
They have bought into the lie and are not following the truth. God gave us sexual intercourse for a purpose and that purpose is children, not pleasure only. They may have understood it if they kept the book of Tobit, but they ripped it out of their Bibles and ignored the teaching. Adultery is mortal sin and can be overcome by transforming your mind
It is false teaching to tell an adulterer don’t worry, Jesus understands, rather tell him he is in mortal sin and needs to begin the process of eradicating that sin from his life if he has any hope of heaven
God has given us many means of grace for us to take advantage and cry for help. Two of them are His own flesh and blood in the Eucharist and another is confession. When we offer our body as a living sacrifice, we are cleansed of sin today not some fantasy date in the future. Now is the time, today is the day of salvation
Upvote 0

Who is really responsible for Salvation?

ADVISOR HAT


Screenshot 2025-04-22 201627.png


This thread is closed for staff review.


In the meantime, a rather large clean up was done of posts that conflict with the site Statement of Faith and responses. It is not okay to teach against the Trinity on this site, and Universalism can only be discussed in Controversial Christian Theology.
Upvote 0

MS-13 Gang Member Kilmar Abrego Garcia to be Deported to African Country of Eswatini

Why that country?
Reading the letter from ICE, I infer that it’s because it wasn’t on the list of countries in which his lawyer claimed he would be in danger.

My feelings for the Trump administration aside, I’m NGL, it’s kind of a funny middle finger.
  • Like
Reactions: Hvizsgyak
Upvote 0

A conversation about unity.

I notice with a wry smile that I have raised several issues on this topic that have been avoided and the silence is somewhat significant.

If you have any remaining questions I would be happy to walk you through them in a non-polemical context on the basis of our personal friendship, as I continue to welcome your prayers and to reciprocate them and I love you very much, and your son, and the work he is doing in the Anglican Church of New Zealand. I regret we were unable to speak a few weeks ago but I have been in a precarious health situation that has interfered with a great deal, but through the grace of the Holy Spirit I am recovering.
Upvote 0

A conversation about unity.

If baptism is what regenerates then why does the rest of the chapter including the famous 16th verse does not include it?

Because it was already mentioned.

If I may ask what is your familiarity with Patristic commentaries on the Gospel of John? Specifically which ones have you read?

Also have you read any catechisms that explain this sacrament, such as the one in the Book of Common Prayer or the Lutheran Catechism or any of the Orthodox catechisms? Or the CCC. Or any baptismal liturgies?*

* The Apostles’ Creed is actually a hymn from the ancient form of the Roman baptismal liturgy, which is probably why we don’t use it in the Eastern church, not because we disagree with it, rather it is simply a matter of liturgical diversity - it is a Western Rite hymn, one of many beautiful Western hymns that are not a major part of Eastern worship and vice versa, but we have equivalent hymns. Due to severe problems with heresy the Nicene Creed is the main creedal hymn and is complemented by others such as Ho Monogenes.

It is interesting to consider all of the ancient creedal material, even the Nicene Creed, were actually written as, and have traditionally been used as, hymns. There are so many lovely settings of the Nicene Creed; indeed about 45 minutes of Bach’s Mass in B Minor is just the Creed. In the Slavonic liturgy the Creed is referred to as “Octe nash” in roman characters.
Upvote 0

Filter

Forum statistics

Threads
5,876,097
Messages
65,376,972
Members
276,244
Latest member
Meakaiame