2 Corinthians 2:15–16 is not good enough for you?

Strong in Him said:

Jesus was the Son of God.
He didn't need to appoint a "devil" as a disciple to prove that.

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I disagree. Whatever Jesus did he did for us. And he said we have to prove we are children of God by being good, and not just doing good. To "be good" we have to be good consistently, in good times and bad times, when confronted with evil or living in a paradise like Job did initially.

James 1.17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.

Matt 5.44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

Who am I to listen to--to Jesus or to you? Jesus said we must be confronted with evil and to show God's love to them. Just as God sends rain on the unrighteous we must also pray for those who persecute us.

We are not to be like "shifting shadows," good when it is convenient, and bad when we don't get our own way. We are to be the "light of the world," always showing God's virtues in good times and in bad times.

1 Cor 4.This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed. 2 Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful.

Heb 4. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.

Colo Millz said:

Fascinating, that never occurred to me, thank you.

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Perhaps the NT concepts used the way Jesus used them would be more meaningful.

Ir's hard to "improve" on what he said. . .just sayin'.

Judging from Jn 6:44

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

If we take away the exception clause "except the Father which hath sent me draw him:" will man have freewill to come to Christ ?

Always in His Presence said:

It is on a much higher scale than other denominations - should you ask why?

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I really don’t know. It seems like many mainline Protestant churches are also having issues with vocations and have to share ministers.

Yes. Required celibacy might be an issue for lower numbers, but many see it as a gift.

Aristarkos said:

And that still doesn't mean it's about the same mystery. Just think logically, how can a mystery later revealed (Ephesians) be the same as a mystery revealed earlier (Romans).

Aristarkos

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And there is only one GOSPEL //. EUANGELION. , in. the ACCUSATIVE Case , IN THE SIGNULARRRRRRR. in. the Neuter

meaning Male and Female

of the MYSTERY // MYSTERION , in the GENITIVE CASE , and the Greek word is ONLY in. the SIGNULARRRRR. meaning

ONLY ONE MYSTERY , in. the Neuter , meaning Male. and Female , and not mysterysssssss. .

dan p

RandyPNW said:

We are taught to display goodness even in the face of evil. This proves we are children of God.

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Jesus was the Son of God.
He didn't need to appoint a "devil" as a disciple to prove that.

keras said:

The Lords Day of vengeance

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I believe "The Day of the Lord" is a yearlong event. Many bible verses
about [just before], [during], and [just after] Christs return. To many
events to fit in a one 24 hour period. A day for A year principle is used.

Isaiah 34:8 (KJV)
For it is [the day] of the Lord's vengeance, and
[the year] of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Isaiah 61:2 (KJV)
To proclaim the acceptable [year] of the Lord, and
[the day of vengeance] of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

The second coming is in actuality a continuation of the first.

Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias.
And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me
to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,
to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Luk 4:20 And he closed the book,
and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes
of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

21And he began to say unto them,
This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Jesus was quoting the prophet Isaiah
Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me
to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Isa 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,

And here is where He stopped reading in mid sentence.
Now the passage He quoted continues...

and [the day of vengeance] of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty
for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of
heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of
the LORD, that he might be glorified.

Isa 61:4-7 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up .......

He came the first time to complete Isa 61:1-2 but not all of verse 2.
When He returns, , He will complete verse 2 and forward through verse 7.

DaisyDay said:

There's a separate function for private conversations....

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It was not asked privately - why should the response be private and why are you interjecting yourself into this?

Johnson backs off claim that Trump was an ‘FBI informant’ in Epstein case​

On Sunday, his office released a statement modifying that claim.


“The Speaker is reiterating what the victims’ attorney said, which is that Donald Trump — who kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago — was the only one more than a decade ago willing to help prosecutors expose Epstein for being a disgusting child predator,” the statement from Johnson’s office read.


Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Kentucky), a Republican who is a co-sponsor of the proposed legislation, said Sunday that he didn’t know whether Trump was an FBI informant.

“The lawyers for the victim said that Donald Trump had been helpful in 2009 in their case by giving them information. But being an informant implies some formal connection and ongoing relationship with the FBI,” Massie said on ABC’s “This Week.” “I think the speaker needs to clarify that. And if it’s a hoax, why was Donald Trump an informant to a hoax?”

Strong in Him said:

Of course he did.
But why would he have given hat power to a devil?

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We are taught to display goodness even in the face of evil. This proves we are children of God.

keras said:

In Romans 3:1-2 Paul admits that the Jews were a favored people "chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God, which is an obvious reference to all the twelve tribes at Sinai.

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The Greek word for oracles means the words or utterance.

Yes all the congregation heard God on mt Sinai. Yet it was the
Jewish community that preserved the Hebrew Bible. Not just that, but
also the Hebrew Calendar, Gods Holy days and the seventh day Sabbath.

Just as the bible says, the Jewish community, not all of the twelve tribes,
that was committed to preserving the oracles of God for us.

Vambram said:

If you are unaware of the narco cartels and narco terrorists, that is not my problem.

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That's a "no" then.

Everyone knows these eleven individuals were engaging in narcoterrorism, so no need for evidence, identification, interdiction, trial or such liberal nonsense!

Colo Millz said:

If you dispute

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Did I do that?

Colo Millz said:

If you dispute that Biden was a flickering light bulb you only need the evidence of your own eyes.

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Ditto Trump and then some (ears, nose).

Desk trauma said:

Still time for a gen X gerontocracy.

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Yeah, there's time but there may not be the taste for it.

public hermit said:

I assume the answer may differ depending on the belief in question. Beliefs that lead to right/wrong actions will clearly have a moral component. But what about beliefs regarding evolution or that the earth is flat/spherical?

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People can believe whatever they want; a belief enacted upon is harmless.

It is actions that count; not what we think. I can imagine lopping my neighbour’s head off with an arming sword in full harness but as long as I don’t I’m as blameless as the long day.

The Righterzpen said:

Yeah, I was formerly engaged with someone on this forum who saw the Eternal as a tyrant. And of course if one has a faulty view; they are not going to seek help either.

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Did you ask them HOW Jesus, who submitted to torture and death, and forgave his crucifiers because they know not what they do, can possibly represent a tyrant image of God? Of course, I know God reveals His son, but it could be you or I who plants or waters.

Hans Blaster said:

Lousy boomers.

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Nuh-uh.

rjs330 said:

Narco terrorists, cartels.

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11 people were killed.

Despite Hegseth claiming “We knew exactly who was in that boat,” the U.S. government has not released the name of all 11 individuals on that boat.

Marilyn C said:

Hi Aristarkos,

It is the same mystery of the Body of Christ for the Apostle Paul was telling the Ephesians and also the Romans in their separate letters.

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Good job and IN Rom 16:26. and Having been made known to all GENTILES for the OBEDIENCE OF FAITH and you all

should be Obedience to the FAITH , and what says for you to do. ??

dan p