• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

AND PAUL SAYS WHAT HEBREWS 8:7 MEANS FOR TODAY !

Dan Perez

Well-Known Member
Dec 13, 2018
4,547
386
88
Arcadia
✟262,389.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
# 1 FOR / is a Conjuncation

# 2 IF / EI is also a Conjuncation

# 3 THAT /EKEINOS , is a Demonstrative Pronoun , in the Nominative Case , in the Singular

# 4 FIRST / PROTOS , in the Nominative Case , in the Singular

# 5 COVENANT was added by translators

# 6 HAD BEEN / EN , is in the Imperfect Tense , is in the Indicative Mood , in the Singular

# 7 FAUTLESS / AMENMPTOS , is in the Nominative Case , in the Singular

# 8 THEN SHOULD / ZETEO , is in the Imperfect Tense , in the Passive Voice , in the Indicative Mood , in the Singular

# 9 NO / OU , is a Disjuncative Particle Negative , there will NEVER RRRRRRRRRR again be sought after another ?

# 10 PLACE / TOPOS , in the Nominative Case , in the Singular

# 11 HAVE BEEN SOUGHT / ZEREO , in the IMPERFECT TENSE , Passive Voice , Indicative Mood , in the Singular .

And what Paul is saying that The Old Covenant was Faultless , that the NEW COVENANT was to take its Place .

And some say that the OLD COVENANT was revised , NO WAY !!

The NEW COVENANT will be in the MILLENNIUM and not until then , Eze 36 !

And at this time we in what is called the DISPENSAION of the MYSTERY as Paul wrote in Rom 16:25 and 26

And in Eph 3:3 and Eph 3:9

dan p
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Marilyn C

Aristarkos

Servant of the Lord
Feb 2, 2021
125
9
Noord Brabant
Visit site
✟73,948.00
Country
Netherlands
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
And at this time we in what is called the DISPENSAION of the MYSTERY as Paul wrote in Rom 16:25 and 26

And in Eph 3:3 and Eph 3:9

dan p
To believe that every time the word "mystery" is mentioned in Scripture, it's about the same thing, is like believing all these treasures are identical.

Aristarkos
 
Upvote 0

Dan Perez

Well-Known Member
Dec 13, 2018
4,547
386
88
Arcadia
✟262,389.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
To believe that every time the word "mystery" is mentioned in Scripture, it's about the same thing, is like believing all these treasures are identical.

Aristarkos
And Paul is the ONLY to speak about the DISPENSATION / OIKONOMIA of the MYSTERY / MUSTERION

But when any speaks about the Greek word BAPTISM , there about 7 different kinds of BAPTISM !

And the same about the word GOSPEL / EUANGLION , as there several GOSPELS .

dan p
 
Upvote 0

Aristarkos

Servant of the Lord
Feb 2, 2021
125
9
Noord Brabant
Visit site
✟73,948.00
Country
Netherlands
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
And Paul is the ONLY to speak about the DISPENSATION / OIKONOMIA of the MYSTERY / MUSTERION

But when any speaks about the Greek word BAPTISM , there about 7 different kinds of BAPTISM !

And the same about the word GOSPEL / EUANGLION , as there several GOSPELS .

dan p
And that still doesn't mean it's about the same mystery. Just think logically, how can a mystery later revealed (Ephesians) be the same as a mystery revealed earlier (Romans).

Aristarkos
 
Upvote 0

Dan Perez

Well-Known Member
Dec 13, 2018
4,547
386
88
Arcadia
✟262,389.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
And that still doesn't mean it's about the same mystery. Just think logically, how can a mystery later revealed (Ephesians) be the same as a mystery revealed earlier (Romans).

Aristarkos
AND please write what verses you mean in Eph and in Romans ?

dan p
 
Upvote 0

Aristarkos

Servant of the Lord
Feb 2, 2021
125
9
Noord Brabant
Visit site
✟73,948.00
Country
Netherlands
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
So my statement in post #2 is also true according to your standards? Noted.

Please be aware that Paul knew nothing about he dispensation of the mystery when he wrote Romans, the GREAT mystery (Eph 5:32), which was
hidden away from ALL aions and generations IN GOD (Eph. 3:9), but has been made known NOW (Col. 1:26).

Romans was written ± 58 AD, Ehp. and Col. ±62 AD. The dispensation of the mystery only began after Acts 28:28, the setting aside of Israel.

Aristarkos
 
Upvote 0

Dan Perez

Well-Known Member
Dec 13, 2018
4,547
386
88
Arcadia
✟262,389.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
So my statement in post #2 is also true according to your standards? Noted.

Please be aware that Paul knew nothing about he dispensation of the mystery when he wrote Romans, the GREAT mystery (Eph 5:32), which was
hidden away from ALL aions and generations IN GOD (Eph. 3:9), but has been made known NOW (Col. 1:26).

Romans was written ± 58 AD, Ehp. and Col. ±62 AD. The dispensation of the mystery only began after Acts 28:28, the setting aside of Israel.


Aristarkos
And do you mead , that there is more then ONE DISPENSATION of the MSTERY , written by Paul ?

And some believe that there are 7 Dispensations !!
dan p
 
Upvote 0

Aristarkos

Servant of the Lord
Feb 2, 2021
125
9
Noord Brabant
Visit site
✟73,948.00
Country
Netherlands
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
And do you mead , that there is more then ONE DISPENSATION of the MSTERY , written by Paul ?

And some believe that there are 7 Dispensations !!
dan p
Did I say that anywhere Dan? I'm just telling you that Rom. 16:25, 26 is NOT about the dispensation of the mystery (it was unknown at that time) and I told you why not. Yet you seem unable to see the difference.

Aristarkos
 
Upvote 0

Dan Perez

Well-Known Member
Dec 13, 2018
4,547
386
88
Arcadia
✟262,389.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Did I say that anywhere Dan? I'm just telling you that Rom. 16:25, 26 is NOT about the dispensation of the mystery (it was unknown at that time) and I told you why not. Yet you seem unable to see the difference.

Aristarkos
And Paul was the only one the wrote about the mystery / musterion , begnning in the Romans and found 10

and are easy to find , so just google them and I use a very quicker way .

and stopped counting all aspects of the Mystery and yet you seem unable to see the difference , Why ??

dan p
 
Upvote 0

Aristarkos

Servant of the Lord
Feb 2, 2021
125
9
Noord Brabant
Visit site
✟73,948.00
Country
Netherlands
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
And Paul was the only one the wrote about the mystery / musterion , begnning in the Romans and found 10

and are easy to find , so just google them and I use a very quicker way .

and stopped counting all aspects of the Mystery and yet you seem unable to see the difference , Why ??

dan p
As you wish.

Aristarkos
 
Upvote 0

Marilyn C

Pre-tribulation.
Site Supporter
Dec 26, 2013
5,208
651
Victoria
✟737,193.00
Country
Australia
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
And that still doesn't mean it's about the same mystery. Just think logically, how can a mystery later revealed (Ephesians) be the same as a mystery revealed earlier (Romans).

Aristarkos
Hi Aristarkos,

It is the same mystery of the Body of Christ for the Apostle Paul was telling the Ephesians and also the Romans in their separate letters.
 
Upvote 0

Dan Perez

Well-Known Member
Dec 13, 2018
4,547
386
88
Arcadia
✟262,389.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Hi Aristarkos,

It is the same mystery of the Body of Christ for the Apostle Paul was telling the Ephesians and also the Romans in their separate letters.
Good job and IN Rom 16:26. and Having been made known to all GENTILES for the OBEDIENCE OF FAITH and you all

should be Obedience to the FAITH , and what says for you to do. ??

dan p
 
Upvote 0

Dan Perez

Well-Known Member
Dec 13, 2018
4,547
386
88
Arcadia
✟262,389.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
And that still doesn't mean it's about the same mystery. Just think logically, how can a mystery later revealed (Ephesians) be the same as a mystery revealed earlier (Romans).

Aristarkos
And there is only one GOSPEL //. EUANGELION. , in. the ACCUSATIVE Case , IN THE SIGNULARRRRRRR. in. the Neuter

meaning Male and Female

of the MYSTERY // MYSTERION , in the GENITIVE CASE , and the Greek word is ONLY in. the SIGNULARRRRR. meaning

ONLY ONE MYSTERY , in. the Neuter , meaning Male. and Female , and not mysterysssssss. .

dan p
 
  • Like
Reactions: Marilyn C
Upvote 0

Aristarkos

Servant of the Lord
Feb 2, 2021
125
9
Noord Brabant
Visit site
✟73,948.00
Country
Netherlands
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Hi Aristarkos,

It is the same mystery of the Body of Christ for the Apostle Paul was telling the Ephesians and also the Romans in their separate letters.
Hello Marilyn, did you read post #8 ?

Aristarkos
 
Upvote 0

Marilyn C

Pre-tribulation.
Site Supporter
Dec 26, 2013
5,208
651
Victoria
✟737,193.00
Country
Australia
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Hello Marilyn, did you read post #8 ?

Aristarkos
Yes, I have just gone back to refresh myself of your thoughts.

I believe Paul wrote the epistle to the Romans in AD 60. He wrote it from Corinth during the apostle`s third visit to that city. And the Body of Christ started at Pentecost.

Note that when the Lord ascended he gave some to be apostles, some prophets etc. And we can read of those ascension ministries -

1 Thess. (AD 54 from Corinth) 1: 1 Paul and Silvanus and Timothy.......2: 6 `....when WE might have made demands as apostles of Christ.`

Acts 14: 14 `But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul...`

And many other examples of Apostles in the Body of Christ before Acts 28: 28.

You see just as today with Israel in their land and the Body of Christ still here, there is a lap over period where the two purposes run side by side.
 
Upvote 0

Dan Perez

Well-Known Member
Dec 13, 2018
4,547
386
88
Arcadia
✟262,389.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Did I say that anywhere Dan? I'm just telling you that Rom. 16:25, 26 is NOT about the dispensation of the mystery (it was unknown at that time) and I told you why not. Yet you seem unable to see the difference.

Aristarkos
How about Eph 3:9
Hello Marilyn, did you read post #8 ?

Aristarkos
And in Eph 3:9 and to. illuminate all as to what is the DISPENSATION of the MYSTERY the one having been kept SECRET. from

the AGES in God , , the. ONE kept SECRET from the AGES. in God , the ONE Having created the all thing by Jesus Christ.

And. notice that word MYSYERY. is in. the SINGULAR. ,

dan p
 
Upvote 0