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Matthew Dowd Fired from MSNBC For Vile Comments Blaming Charlie Kirk For Assassination

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In addition there's a lot of crude stuff posted about this assassination to various social media. It seems some on the left find it hilarious. Basically the left continuing to make being on the left less appealing. Even more so if the shooter turns out to be a left-winger.
Early reports say weapon has been recovered with clues showing that trans ideology may be a factor. Time will tell.
 
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People on the right who are doing the hatred and violent rhetoric should be fired too.
I'd totally take that trade.
Would you?
No one should advocate violence and if they do they should be fired. But we should be realistic about where the vast amount of hatred and violent rhetoric is coming from. Many leaders need to change course and denounce violence.
 
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Who is they? Some random person decides to dress up as a dead Charlie Kirk for Halloween and the entire left is somehow responsible for that?
I was talking about a trend in that hypothetical scenario. But yeah, one person can make a failing party look even worse.
 
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Unfortunately, if you go to any source that are reporting this murder and read the comments, you will find Dowd's comments are not unique.
This is the problem. It is also a problem here. Same old same old. I hope this thread is short lived because of this. Nothing matters to these people.
 
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This is exactly why the DNC will not be in power for the next 70 years.
Right, because violent, inflammatory, and offensive political rhetoric is only acceptable when it comes from the right.

(it's true)
 
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I mean, the comments are poorly timed, but I’m not seeing what the scandal is. He said specifically he wasn’t condoning what happened, but we are in an era where people are getting shot over their politics with an alarming frequency, and when people say things they believe that are provocative, we are unfortunately in an era where it’s leading to outcomes like this. He didn’t say it was good or he was happy about it. He was bemoaning it. He was making a statement about where we are as a country, that’s all.

People have said the same or similar here, with more divisiveness and without the underscoring of it being a tragedy.
 
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Wanna start with the CF admin who said, in a now-deleted post earlier today, that the Dems are the party of terrorism?
Where is the hatred and violence in that claim?
 
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No one should advocate violence and if they do they should be fired. But we should be realistic about where the vast amount of hatred and violent rhetoric is coming from. Many leaders need to change course and denounce violence.
He said it at an inappropriate time, but he isn’t saying that you yourself haven’t said.
 
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That would be defamation because it isn't true.
This is what Charley was about. He helped young people to realize they were not alone in their thoughts. He taught them, and gave them the courage to speak their mind. Not to be intimidated into silence in our schools. Freedom of speech, and debate were encouraged, and what he did. This is what higher education had always been, he brought that back. That was Charley....The silencers will not silence him or what he started. Charlty did not "hate", he encouraged disgreement in debate. Using words, and ideas, not violence. May he rest in the Lord, and the Lord bring comfort to his wife and to his children in the coming days, months and years knowing who he really was.
 
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