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Third Way? More tone policing, this time in a more folksy register? I am guessing the irony is not lost here...

I think we can do better than listen to the people that brought us Clintonomics. That's the real reason Democrats keep losing, they've eroded the basis of trust through their actions, not just their words.

a cat in the yard of a church.

BCP1928 said:

The mainstream timeline was always questionable. That's how science works.

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Not always. Often its dogmas and holding on to certain assumptions. For example when Petrie discovered some of the artifacts he described based on the measurements that this suggested advanced knowledge for that time.

The establishment attacked him. Not because he was wrong about his measurements and findings. But that he would suggest such a thing because it contradicted the mainstream assumption that these people should have been primitive and could not have possessed such knowledge.

That still happens today.

Hazelelponi said:

Total Official Civil Court Locations in UK: 170 (England/Wales) + 39 (Scotland) + 7 (NI) = 216. (This counts primary physical court buildings/venues for civil jurisdiction; higher/appellate courts are not double-counted as they're fewer and centralized.)

With the 85 Sharia Councils that means (85 / 216) × 100 = 39.35% (rounded to two decimals) of all "civil courts" in the UK are sharia and not well overseen by the UK government, basically operating rogue as far as I can tell because for it to be legally binding any ruling still has to be ratified by a UK civil court.

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That's a faulty comparison. Shar'ia councils are not "civil courts" and have no legal jurisdiction in the UK. Shar'ia councils operate much like Catholic tribunals or Jewish Beth Dins. They are not part of the legal system. They can only handle civil matters, are nonbinding, and have no legal authority, unless the country they are in grants them authority.

Hazelelponi said:

If all their marriages, divorces and custody disputes are happening outside of English law, whose protecting these women and children?

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That's easy, the state provides legal protections for women and children. Shar'ia councils are voluntary, and if someone disputes a council decision, or especially if the decision is contrary to the law of the land, they can seek assistance through the formal courts.

BCP1928 said:

Yes it was, based on the information available, Now there is new information. So what?

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Its what this represents as to human thinking and belief. If for example humans were far more knowledgable and had far more sophisticated beliefs then this undermines the idea of a slow and gradual evolution from primitive to advanced.

The idea that there was once humans who were more knowledgable and advanced than later peoples has been resisted by mainstream for decades.

So much so that still there is insistence that many of these great works were created by primitive people with primitive tools even though this is completely an inadequate explanation. There is no talk of any advanced tech as this would upset the gradual progression from simple tools to advanced methods. So anything that even touches on this is regarded as conspiracy.

stevevw said:

I was not intending to include theology. Just a simple look at the archeology and perhaps anthropology and cultural factors as to thought and belief. But not necessarily biblical belief. Just belief and thought generally and how it evolved.

I guess the only point of this would be to show that the mainstream timeline is questionable and therefore we have to be open to alternative ways of understanding our past.

In that sense its opening up how we understand humans as far as thinking and belief may lend support for religious belief in general as a big factor in who we are and how we developed. But not necessarily the biblical view alone.

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The mainstream timeline was always questionable. That's how science works.

Neuropathy.

2PhiloVoid said:

The video isn't proposing anything that equates to a more literal, "biblical" view, so I'm not sure what difference it makes. All it essentially is implying is that the earliest manifestations of more complex thought may go back to Homo Hedalbergensis (at 8:33). To which I say, "ok.........so?"

What this shows, though, is that a lot of biblical literalist aren't watching your video, or even skimming through it for context.

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I was not intending to include theology. Just a simple look at the archeology and perhaps anthropology and cultural factors as to thought and belief. But not necessarily biblical belief. Just belief and thought generally and how it evolved.

I guess the only point of this would be to show that the mainstream timeline is questionable and therefore we have to be open to alternative ways of understanding our past.

In that sense its opening up how we understand humans as far as thinking and belief may lend support for religious belief in general as a big factor in who we are and how we developed. But not necessarily the biblical view alone.

Landon Caeli said:

So Palestine, actually, would have been a fine model for "Israeli's" to have followed in the whole beginning then, because Palestinian culture is remarkable and outstanding? And is as good as any?

LOL. I don't see it. Sorry.

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It would have been as good as any other near eastern state subject to Western meddling. What it would have been without the meddling is hard to tell. The region once had a culture demonstrably more advanced than any in Europe at the time.

ViaCrucis said:

This copypasta has been circulating on the internet for a while.

But it ignores academic seriousness when it comes to historical analysis of relevant texts.

For one thing, the Latin Pseudo-Ephraem text isn't 4th-6th century, it's post 7th century. Though at least the copypasta here acknowledges that it is Pseudo-Ephraem, many versions of this copypasta I've seen ignore this and assert St. Ephraem as the author.

None of the Apostolic Fathers, nor the Shepherd, even come close to indicating anything remotely like the "pretribulational rapture". But Rapturists have been passing this around online for a couple decades now.

-CryptoLutheran

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This is one person's analysis of Pseudo Ephraim's work:

In sum, he believes that current pretrib thought is being inserted in his material, when the context is quite different.

I wouldn't be surprised because there have been a few instances of Christian leaders teaching that the Church is given to escape the final wrath of God against the Antichrist. And why not? God's Wrath against Antichrist is not God's Wrath against the Church. The death inflicted upon the Antichrist leads to eternal damnation. The death suffered by casualties of the last battle who are believers will rise again gloriously to new life.

To insert a Pretrib Rapture into such language is imposing ideas that simply weren't there yet--not until Darby established a significant separation between the Rapture of the Church and the 2nd Coming of Christ by 7 years.

There are always casualties of war who are innocent bystanders in a war not their own. Some might call them martyrs, or victims of "friendly fire." The Prophet Jeremiah suffered in a war not of his own causing. Many of the Prophets died in a war not of their own making. They were, in a sense, "collateral damage" in a war God needed to fight to end sin.

This is surely not escaping tribulation in this world, or the persecution of Antichrist. Sometimes Christians are given to escape events that are directed at evil nations. But there are always innocent victims, as well, who provide testimony to the evils of evil men who then must be judged.

However, the notion that Christians, overall, will escape via a Rapture prior to the rise of Antichrist, or prior to his Reign, is not in the Scriptures, nor is it in history until John Darby in the 1800s. The only thing that prompted him to create this myth was the rise of Futurism, suggesting that Antichrist hasn't come yet, and will come.

It inspired him to extract from the spiritually-dying Church of his day a remnant of faithful who will be rewarded by escaping this, allowing Israel to perform the final act of martyrdom under Antichrist. How weak to proclaim one's own group a spiritual "elite," while consigning God's grace towards Israel to a time of intense persecution and death!

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Hans Blaster said:

5-6000 years ago is a creationist narrative.

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I'm not talking about the creationist narrative as we have evidence of sophisticated societies going back 30,000 years.

Hans Blaster said:

The "mainstream" of ancient historical scholarship would have put "civilization" (towns and agriculture) at 10-12 kya in the Fertile Crescent since the mid-20th century (at least) and radiocarbon dating.

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Ok so thats more or less the same time period. But now we are finding that the beginnings of crops and agriculture and sophisticated settlements going back way earlier.

I mean Gobekli Tepe which is around 10,000 BC was regarded as a shock that civilised humans could be so sophisticated at that time. So certainly the belief was humans were not that advanced at this time and it was not until around the rise of Sumer and Mesopotamia.

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What do you mean "were"? Have you met humans?

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Lol, yes some say we are dumber today than in the past. But I mean humans were said to be fairly primitive with basic flint tools, had not discovered pottery, the wheel or writing or any sophistication in thought or belief.

Hans Blaster said:

What?

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The idea that humans were primitive nomads with simple flint tools and little sophistication in thinking and belief.

Hans Blaster said:

What utter nonsense! The most famous of these "advanced monuments" (the Great Pyramids of Egypt) were not only built by people who knew stone masonry and societal organization, but who could *WRITE* for crying out loud. Other monuments (like Carhenge ) are quite frequently tied to known civilizations, with known methods of construction, even if the purpose isn't always known.

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Yes they built the pyramids with simple copper tools and manpower which doesn't match the level of what has been produced.

Hans Blaster said:

I only watched a few random snippets of your video, but nothing in what I saw suggested the creator was implying lost megalith civilizations. Quite the opposite, he seemed to be suggesting humans had lots of "civilization" but its physical remains were more fragile and hard to preserve.

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Here is the other video that goes into more detail. It questions the mainstream timeline as not making sense to the level of sophistication and knowhow at that time. That somehow humans went from primitive nomads to settled groups building massive megaliths and constructions in virtually 200 years.

I Visited Malta’s Ruins… And They Might Rewrite History
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XccJmFcmEeE&ab_channel=MichaelButton

Hans Blaster said:

Tell the tale of old Atlantis...

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What do you mean.

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Hardly. For some the ancient builders wrote their names on it. (Or right next to it.)

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Like Khufu whose name is painted in the Giza Pyramid as the only evidence he built it. Some say later added by those who first discovered this. There is no other evidence except for a small statue of Khufu found miles away.

Often these megaliths have no evidence of who built them. The only evidence we have is the cultures own stories which says they did not build them but found these works and then used them as their own.

For example the only signature of the megaliths in Peru are the different building techniques. We see the style of the megaliths compared to the culture that is attributed to have made them which is completely different and not as sophisticated.

The large stones were already there. The samll stones are from later such as the Inca people. But they say its not theirs and they found these megaliths. Yet mainstream archeology wants to attribute these megaliths to the Inca who show a completely different style which is far less sophisticated and comes later.





The High-Tech Stonework of the Ancients: Unsolved Mysteries of Master Engineers
There are many stone artifacts from the ancient world made from the hardest stone on the planet such as granite and diorite, which have been cut and shaped with such quality, precision and accuracy that the standard explanations of their manufacture are simply inadequate.

Hans Blaster said:

When I saw this thread, I knew we were going to lost civilizations and Atlantean nonsense and this post did no disappoint.

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No this is simply looking at the evidence. No conspiracies.

But evenso the idea of Atlantis though a myth is loosely based on perhaps a real even where flooding wiped out maybe what was a significant people of that time. These stories are always based on an element of truth but then elaborated on.

The fact that there was great flooding in the past that may have wiped out an entire city is quite possible and in fact we have found plenty of evidence for such events.

If you consider that around 6,000 years aho the middle east and north Africa were far more fertile with large river systems going through the heart and evidence of massive flooding beforehand that left these rivers. It could be possible that large cities were wiped out.

Hans Blaster said:

It has been clear for a while that humans were anatomically and cognatively modern in the sense required to support civilizations for more than 50,000 years just from the migration out of Africa.

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Then why was the discovery of Gobekli Tepe seen as radically changing our view of the eolution of humans into civilised societies.

The civilisation myth: How new discoveries are rewriting human history

Reluctant Theologian said:

Secondly, do you maintain the KJV-only/best position?

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For me, RSV was what I had to read, with no other at the time. Now, today, with practically all the choices, seeking truth is most important and being taught and led by the Perfect Shepherd is the only way to learn the truth and to be set free from any deception in any source.

ThatRobGuy said:

Yet, in all of the contemporary conversations about the subject, the USA is singled out as if they're the sole "bad guys" in the whole affair.

That's what people object to (and thereby, try to overcorrect for)

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But it is entirely appropriate when the subject is slavery in the USA. Nobody else made us buy the slaves, nobody else made us exploit them, nobody else made us treat them badly after they were free. If you want to blame another country, you have to blame them for their own slaves, not ours.

Reluctant Theologian said:

Mm, do you mean that any effort at Textual Criticism / reconstructing the most original text is by definition fleshly or carnal?

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We live and write and post and read an unbelievable amount of such things - "endless" books on any subject, and the librarians in charge do not allow , as it were, the truth to be supported nor spread whenever they can stop it - all the rules we abide by, for now anyway, are set up to protect and maintain the status quo, even in sin.

Hentenza said:

Yep since He created the earth including seismic activity and earth rotation to define a day.

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btw, in the past days, years, decades, I had not considered rotation of the earth while realizing the earth is set in place by the Creator and is the center of His Plan. The view points, perspective, of earth (a round earth yes) not orbiting the sun was once known/ believed and afaik , the truth, first before science or man's fairy tales and imaginations. It is not popular, to believe truth, nor to seek truth, let alone to give up one's life for Yahshua as He Gave His Life for His children.

From the world's/scientific/mathematical view , it is similar to someone standing at the train station watching a train go by. Someone in a train car passing by the station, watching the station go by, can/could be thought of as seeing the station move by, and the train , as it were, stationary, for purposes of seeing how everything thus seen is relative. No sense, no point, in any arguments one way or another , btw, as only God is able to grant anyone truth, and it is in seeking God, not in applying math or science or human/fleshly /carnal constructs to figure something out. It is beyong the fleashly world, and not even possible for the unredeemed to understand.

stevevw said:

It was common for mainstream to pin the beginning of civilisation around 5 to 6,000 years ago with Mesopotamia with the rise of agriculture, settled social living and writings ect.

Mesopotamia was known as the "cradle of civilization". So it was a mainstream idea that civilisation began around 6000 to 8000 years ago. As the above link suggests.

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Yes it was, based on the information available, Now there is new information. So what?

Tuur said:

Wait a minute:

Wooden cranes powered by treadmills are possible, but don't know if the available timber or ropes could handle the weight. The obelisk at the Vatican comes to mind because it was moved in the Middle Ages. What's more fun is the Romans moved it from Egypt and set it up.

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Wait a minute more. You'll find out it has to be magic technology from a vanished advanced civilsation. Nothing else can possibly explain it.

The Barbarian said:

Yes. But the mere presence of uniformed people in an area can work. Curtis Silwa (yes, he's an arrogant attention-grabber) showed this works pretty well, even with no weapons or enforcement power.

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Yes, that worked temporarily.

linux.poet said:

I’d like to see a bit more light here.

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j.m. taught/preached/lived a false gospel and cannot be trusted, no matter how much he was popular.

As you read "Love Not the World", and if you continue to, there is more light than any forum thread has ever shown that I know of. Not because of the book, nor the man whose teachings are there, but by God's Own Hand.

Disputes are common, often because of the man who falsified the teaching using living stream publishers , with some of the same titles, but changed words, to shift the truth, to change the glory and power from Jesus to men.

State Department pauses issuing work visas for commercial truck drivers​

Good to see the government taking quick action on this for a change.

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That's

Fine. Conservatives shouldn't mind a bit, then, if AOC was Speaker of a labor majority House.

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I never said the Speaker of the House was powerless. Obviously it's an important position. But the claim you made was:

"The place for AOC is Speaker of the House--a much more powerful position in terms of policy than President."

For the reasons given up, I do not think the Speaker of the House has as much power over policy as the President does, let alone "much more." The Speaker of the House, despite having some power over policy, has noticeably less than the President does.

RDKirk said:

In the history of national politics, the Speaker of the House has been able to wield much more political influence over the course of legislation than indicated in the black and amber of the Constitution...particularly in the last half century that I've been voting and paying attention. Maybe always before that.

And for anyone else who has been paying attention, it's disingenuous to claim otherwise.

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I never did claim otherwise. "The President has more power over policy than the Speaker of the House" (the argument I did make) is a very different one than "The Speaker of the House has little power" (the statement your arguments appear to try to criticize).

Xeno.of.athens said:

It should be; that would elevate the conversations!

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how do you figure?