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Multiple victims in Michigan church shooting; church on fire

The left complain about shootings becoming too commonplace and how we need gun control more now than ever because of all of the increasing violence. While at the same time insisting crime is decreasing. So the next time those on the left rally for gun control because of the latest shooting, they should be reminded that they're firmly convinced that crime isn't a problem.
If murder is on the decline overall, does that mean that mass school shootings therefore arent important? I mean, thats what it sounds like youre saying.
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Citing Charlie Kirk murder, Tennessee pastor demands removal of 'Hate Has No Home' signs

Alright, I can see where you are coming from. But can you see where the confusion is with that sign for many of us here. I we understand it to mean what we thought it meant don't you think thousands of other people would see it the wrong way. Wouldn't it make more sense to say "we identify with this cause". Everybody is happy then.

Tensions are super high everywhere here is the US. Wouldn't it be better to try not to provoke anger in others. We want peace in this country and you want peace in this country. We don't have to agree on everything but let's take extra steps to try and stay calm, cool and collect :oldthumbsup:.

Like I said in my other post, some of us read between the lines better than others.
Sure, but to interpret thing in a very dramatic way also add to the tensions.
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Citing Charlie Kirk murder, Tennessee pastor demands removal of 'Hate Has No Home' signs

It's not?
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I would say this is quite similar to the second result that came up on your amazon search


if you go into the HRC merch shop, you'll see some quite similar yard flags/shirts/etc using similar symbolism and language choices.
That particular one, yes. But how does the amazon results support that the text in and of itself would be so weighed down with meaning even in the absence of the extra symbols? In your defend freedom example, it's perfectly ok to mean it in abolish gun regulations and taxes way in one case, or in a free access to abortion way in another case. It's determined by the other symbols on the sign. Also you if you go out polling people about what they think the rainbow flag means how many start discussing trans participation in sports? When you ask people about BLM, how many starts discussing who should own the means of production? The number of people supporting BLM seem way too high compared to the number of people voting for parties wanting to destroy the capitalist system.
Guardian report of opinion for BLM
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They Believed in Jesus Christ

I am reading in John 4:1-30. It is a very long passage so I will summarize some of it and I will quote some of it.

Jesus Christ, on his way to Galilee, had to pass through Samaria, but not just because of geographical reasons, but because he had a divine appointment with a woman at a well waiting for him there. Jesus, wearied from his journey, sat down at Jacob’s well. And there came a woman of Samaria to draw water. Jesus asked her for a drink of water, and the two of them got into conversation. But since Jews did not typically associate with Samaritans, who were a mixed race, the woman was surprised at this.

Jesus answered and said to her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.” She said to Him, “Sir, You have nothing to draw with and the well is deep; where then do You get that living water? You are not greater than our father Jacob, are You, who gave us the well, and drank of it himself and his sons and his cattle?” Jesus answered and said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again; but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.”

What or who is the “gift of God”? Jesus Christ, his death on a cross, and his resurrection for the forgiveness of sins and eternal life with God are the gift of God. Our salvation (deliverance) from sin and obedience to God are gifted to us by God. Even our faith to believe in Jesus Christ is God’s gift to us. For none of this is of ourselves, but it comes from God, and it is gifted to us by God, but we must receive all this by faith, denying self, dying to sin, and via walking in obedience to our Lord, in his power, wisdom, and strength.

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 1:18-32; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 3:23; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 10:19-39; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

Now Jesus was speaking, not of physical water, but of spiritual water to satisfy our spiritual thirst for new life in Christ Jesus, our Lord, cleansed of our sins, forgiven, renewed of the Spirit, and born again to new life in Christ Jesus in dying with him to sin, and in obedience to his commands. For when we believe in Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit of God comes to live within us, changing us to be more like Christ, counseling, helping and guiding us in how to live for God. And we are empowered of the Spirit to walk with God.

The woman asked Jesus for this water of which he spoke, but she was still thinking in physical terms, and not in spiritual terms. Then Jesus told her to go and call her husband and “come here.” The woman admitted she had no husband. Jesus knew that, and he acknowledged the correctness of her statement and that he knew that she had had five husbands and the one she had now was not her husband. And that led to a discussion of the proper physical place of worship of God, either in Jerusalem or another location.

Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming (He who is called Christ); when that One comes, He will declare all things to us.” Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.”

Do you get what this is teaching us today? Worship of God has nothing to do with a physical location. For true worship of God has to do with us giving our lives to Jesus Christ, as living sacrifices to God, holy and pleasing to God, which is our spiritual worship of God. We are to no longer be conformed to the ways of this sinful world, but now we are to be transformed in heart and mind of the Spirit of God in death to sin and in obedience to our Lord’s commands, so that our lives testify to God’s grace (see Romans 12:1-2).

And to worship God in “spirit and in truth” has to do with our changed lives of the Spirit of God, and with our sincere faith which comes from God and not from human flesh. True worship of God is not in the raising of hands and in the singing of songs if our lives are not surrendered to the will of God in dying to sin and in walks of obedience to our Lord’s commands. And we don’t have to go to a building in order to worship God. For we should be in a continuous state of worship of God if we are of genuine faith in Christ Jesus.

Going back to the passage of Scripture..

At this point Jesus’ disciples arrived, so the woman left her waterpot, and went into the city and said to the men, “Come, see a man who told me all the things that I have done; this is not the Christ, is it?” They left the city, and were coming to Him. And from that city many of the Samaritans believed in Jesus Christ because of the word of the woman who testified, “He told me all the things that I have done.” And many more believed because of the word of Jesus, not just because the woman’s testimony. Praise God!

May we all who believe in Jesus Christ give testimony to the biblical gospel of Christ (taught in the correct context), as to what Jesus did in dying on that cross that we might now die to sin and obey his commandments and live holy lives, pleasing to God, in his power, wisdom, and strength. Amen!

My Jesus, I Love Thee

Hymn lyrics by William R. Featherstone, 1864
Music by Adoniram J. Gordon, 1876


My Jesus, I love thee, I know thou art mine;
For thee all the follies of sin I resign.
My gracious Redeemer, my Savior art thou;
If ever I loved thee, my Jesus, 'tis now.

I love thee because thou hast first loved me,
And purchased my pardon on Calvary's tree;
I love thee for wearing the thorns on thy brow;
If ever I loved thee, my Jesus, 'tis now.

I’ll love Thee in life, I will love Thee in death,
And praise Thee as long as Thou lendest me breath;
And say, when the death-dew lies cold on my brow,
If ever I loved thee, my Jesus, 'tis now.

In mansions of glory and endless delight;
I'll ever adore thee in heaven so bright;
I'll sing with the glittering crown on my brow;
If ever I loved thee, my Jesus, 'tis now.

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I love your choice of colors! White pumpkins are my favorite, and I wish there were pink ones in real life! :laughing:
Thanks, I've always loved white pumpkins too! :3 Pink ones do exist! I've seen photos of them before:
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I actually wanted to make my second pumpkin yellow, but I didn't have enough yellow minky left so I went with pink instead.
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Look how pop culture end time teachings color the way we read the Bible.

Daniel, this forum is the eschatology forum. Eschatology is the study of events to take place in the end times leading up to Jesus's return. For this eschatology forum, make posts that deal with events to take place in the end times.

Do you have any end times timeline charts ?
I disagree that eschatology is simply the study of end of the world events and a second advent of Christ. In fact I believe that to be fallacious. End time prophecy is way more specific than that. Pop culture end time prophecy teachings treat the Bible like its Nostradamus or something.

We have end time prophecy about the coming of the Lord at the end of the first covenant age. Matt. 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, Rev. 6:12-7:8 & 13:11-14:5. Plus most of the apostle's letters.

Then have the end time prophecy that effected the whole world but was referencing the city of Rome for its murder of the saints. Starting in Revelation 7:9 & 14:6 The seven Trumpets, vials or plagues and three woes. All horrific events that befell the empire ending in the 3rd woe when Rome was conquered a third time by foreign armies and totally depopulated. That coincided with the worst apocalyptic event the whole world has ever know outside Noah's flood. Here is an artilce on those seven events. The Mysteries Of The Book Of Revelation- Chap. 6-19

Then we have the coming of the Lord end of the age of the four gentile empires in Revelation 19.

We could go back to the Old Testament.

End time prophecy of Egypt's empire Isiah 19:1-4

End time prophecy of the Babylonian Empire at the hand of the Mede's Isaiah 13:1-19

End time prophecy of the ten tribes in Micah 1:2-6

Or we could totally switch gears into into unspecified end time prophecy for the worlds wanna be tyrants and empire builders after the fall of the Roman Empire in 1453 AD. That would be who Gog and Magog illustrate. The nations and peoples who seek to conquer the free world which is the camp of the saints and bring them back into subjection to tyranny and oppression. Entities like the Holy Roman empire, The British Empire, Napoleon, the Kaisers, the Nazis, the Imperial Japanese, the USSR. All fallen, some via "fire from heaven." to the nations most influenced by the Gospel and the Word of God.

Want an end time timeline?

597 BC - 70AD =666 years. The time between the beginning of the times of the four gentile empires until the end of the 1st covenant age. This was pointed out in Johns prophecy of the Roman empire splitting into an eastern and western branch and its claims of Christianity in Rev. 13.

Titus the prince, the son of perdition who destroyed Jerusalem who became the 8th emperor of Rome.

The next ten emperors after Titus are the ten horns of Daniel 2 & 7 & Revelation.

The little horn of Daniel 7? The 11th of the ten emperors following Titus? Septimius Severus 193 AD. Three emperors fell before him just like it says in Daniel 7. He started the militarily campaign to oppress the saints that lasted 1260 years until the empire ended. First non Latin emperor. Made it the death penalty to convert to Christianity. That number 1260 days, 42 months, 3.5 years, times two times and a half time are mentioned in Revelation 5 times in relation to the Roman empire. Just like Danie's 70 weeks turned out to be 490 years. The time between the beginning of the reign of Severus and the end of the empire war 1260 years.

What happens after the Roman empire? Isaiah 54, 60, 61 , 62 the latter half of 65, Psalm 72, Revelation 20-22 and dozens of other good news chapters of prophecy about a promised age of billions coming to Christ and a growing free world for them to live in. Has to be won and God is the one providentially orchastrating it.

Why now? The Bible began to illegally get into the hands of the general public right when the Roman empire ended. Which God obviously foreknew.
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Multiple victims in Michigan church shooting; church on fire

Solomon was old when he wrote Ecclesiastes. He's talking about old people becoming sedentary because they're to immersed in nostalgia. He's talking about himself dwelling upon his former glory leading to becoming despondent over his present life.
Well, youve probably studied this - while I havent.

Im just thinking of the typical way people perennially mythologize the olden days as morally better. Its like human nature, regardless of reality.
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Whose groceries are more Expensive?

From the Southwest....
Fruits and Vegtables - no change (that would change if Mexico is ever asesses higher tariffs)
Dairy - same
Meat - same - or at least our monthly "box" has not gone up yet (we have meat delivered from a company that sources it from family-owned farms)
Coffee - same - I order from a coffee beas from roaster who imports coffee directly from farmers in Guatemala, Honduras and Ehtiopia. Again, it's always been bit more at $17 lb, but worth it for the quality, freshness and supporting small businesses here and abroad.

Kimmel is Back

Kimmel: "I don't think the murderer who shot Charlie Kirk represents anyone".
That's great, but that's from his "comeback" speech. I wouldn't call it an apology, but he actually seemed to show some contrition, which to be honest I didn't really expect. I guess it was part of his deal with Disney to get back on the air. I do agree with him though, I don't think the murder represents anyone. The problem with the murderer is that he seemed to buy into left wing attempts at dehumanization and the spin they put on twisting Charlie Kirk's words to make it sound like "hate speech".
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Pregnant women taking Tylenol to spite Trump

The reason some of his wacky stuff gets embraced to the degree it does (instead of immediately getting laughed out of the room like flat-earther stuff) is because the drug companies have made themselves untrustworthy to a certain degree as well.
Frankly thats an excuse for stupid people. Ok, maybe just ignorant - to be generous.

We can't necessarily let the drug companies and healthcare establishment off the hook scot free for the role they've played over the last 25 years in making mainstream medicine seem less trustworthy in the eyes of a lot of people.

People tend to look at these things through a lens of "compared to what alternative?"
The correct response to the portion of pharma thats lying and manipulative is not to take refuge in the promises of other liars.

Unfortunately in this case, the "what" RFK gets compared to are the people who brought us:
"We see no evidence that Oxycontin is habit forming"
"Vioxx is completely safe, and concerns about risk of stroke are overblown"
J&J/Janssen in particular has had numerous scandals over the years... One recent case would be the near billion class action lawsuit they just had to shell out to people in the US & Canada after years of insisting that their talc based baby powder was safe. Apart from the fact that the talc by itself was found by the WHO and FDA to be possibly carcinogenic to humans when used in the genital area on females... they were shipping out batches (as recently as 2019) that were found to have asbestos in them, something they initially denied and publicly tried to attribute to FDA testing facilities making mistakes or being contaminated.
Yes theres a ton of money to be made in lying to the customer. So, whats desperately needed is a trustworthy regulator - which is exactly what we dont have right now. Instead he sends people down whole other avenues of woo and fraud. Its pathetic.
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Help with Mark 9:29

Hi there,

There are several references in the Gospels to the need for prayer and fasting to prepare one's self before dealing with some demonic issues.

Many modern translations omit the reference to fasting and some even omit the reference to Prayer.

Can someone explain what is going on here...

First what reliable manuscripts include this.

Second is there a place for prayer and fasting before being used to speak into a serious spiritual bondage?

Comments appreciated.
Do you have specific sections you would like to have comments on?
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Midrash "VaYelekh" (Deut 31:1-29) Happy Birthday Moshe

PARASHAH: “VaYelech” (and he went) DEUT 31:1-30

“I am 120 years old today,” starts Moshe, “I can no more go out and come in…”

Interestingly, he mentions his age, 120 years old. Guess the day he spoke to his people was his last birthday. He would complete 120 years on earth and give up the ghost. We can divide 120 years into 3 parts: the first 40 years, the second 40 years, and the third 40 years. “40” is the number of tests and trials.

He lived the first 40 years as a prince of Egypt and a general in the Egyptian army, through circumstances (which never happen by accident) Adonai sends Moshe running to the land of Midian, where he meets his wife and family and becomes a shepherd. So, we go from royalty to a shepherd, a profession loathed by the Egyptians. Then the last 40 years are the “ministry years”. Adonai changed his profession so that he could fit into God’s perfect plan, that of freeing his people from the bondage of slavery through HIS chosen vessel.

Moshe was 80 years old when he received the commission to free his people. The prior years were all “training years” or “Years of getting ready”. What will we be doing when and if we reach 80 years of life? Will we be ready to continue in ministry? Or will we be looking forward to a rocking chair and sipping iced tea through a straw?

We must take the example of Moshe, active until the day he dies. One can retire from a secular job, but not from ministry. Ministry is a life-long calling. Whether it be a pastor or rabbi, Torah teacher or Sunday School teacher, music leader, youth worker, or just giving out bread to the hungry along with a gospel tract of the “Bread of Life,” we must not think of retirement, not from that.

“I can no more go out and come in.”

Moshe has already been told that he is about to leave the land of the living, so he is to anoint the future leader. So, who will lead the people to the promised land? The answer is in verse 3:

“YHVH your Elohim Himself is passing over before you. He shall destroy these nations from before you, and you shall possess them. Yehoshua himself is passing over before you, as YHVH has spoken.”


There is a play on words here. Adonai Himself is leading the people; He is passing over before the people. This is what a king in battle does. The king leads his army. Yet the verse also states that “Yehoshua” will pass over before the people. So, who is leading? BOTH are leading. The spirit of YHVH is within Yehoshua (Joshua), whom Moshe has anointed as his successor.

“Yehoshua” will take the lead and lead the people to the promised land. “Yehoshua” (Joshua) is the longer name of “Yeshua” the name “Yehoshua” contains the name “Yeshuah” which is “salvation” or we could say, the name “Yeshua” with the added “h” which means “Behold, Salvation comes from “YAH” The name “Yehoshua” has the first three letters of YHVH (the “Yod” “Hey” and the “V”)

Symbolically, it is God himself who will take the people through the final steps of the journey to reach the promised land, through his servant Joshua. We will not live forever in our mortal bodies; sooner or later, we must name a successor, someone who will take our place. It might be our children, if in business, some faithful business partner, or if in ministry, someone who is mature in the faith.

After Moshe had finished writing the scrolls of the Torah, he gave them to the priests to put beside the Ark of the Covenant. So, I imagine that the Ark of the Covenant had some sort of “side-pocket” or a place to put the scrolls. Now, the “Aron HaKodesh” was complete, with a gold chest with the tablets of the Commandments, the pot of Manna, Aron’s rod, and now, the Torah scrolls. All to remind us that the “Torah is our guide and leader to give us the 'Bread of Life' who is Yeshua, who leads us through his Holy Spirit and his WORD.

Moshe also commanded that the Torah would be read during the time of Sukkot at the end of seven years (vss 10,11). It may have been just the book of “D’varim (Deuteronomy) or the whole Torah (from Genesis to Deuteronomy). The Hebrew Word used is "Sefer," which means "book."

Yes, the Bible consists of 66 books today, yet when Moses wrote down the words that the Holy Spirit inspired him to write, he wrote them as one long book, word after word. No paragraphs, nor verses, nor chapters. He probably used many pieces of parchment, papyrus, or pieces of thin leather. Deuteronomy, however, is a review of all that was written from Genesis to Numbers.

Why is the WORD of God important to us? What is its purpose in our lives? Why should it be so important to read and study it?

It shows us the perfection and sinless being of God and who He is. It points out our weakness and sinful nature, and it points us to reconciliation with God through Yeshua. Then it teaches us how to live a holy and righteous lifestyle through the mitzvoth (commandments) (In that order!) Good works do not come before salvation, rather the other way around. Righteous works will count towards rewards in heaven, not towards a salvation experience, THAT only comes by faith in the completed work of Yeshua at Calvary.

Let's not wait 7 years to read the Bible. Let's read and study it every day. (Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth) B.I.B.L.E. In Pirke Avot (Ethics of the Fathers), which is part of the Talmud, it is written: "Love and pursue peace and love mankind, and bring (mankind) to the Torah" (Spoken by Hillel). This is witnessing and making disciples through God's Word. Rabbi Shammai said, "Make Bible study (Torah study) a fixed habit." Say little and do much. May our works show more than our words!

Shalom

274 FBI Agents Embedded in January 6 Event

The FBI secretly deployed more than 250 plainclothes agents to the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6, 2021 riot, an operation so disorganized it unleashed searing frustrations among many of the FBI’s rank-and-file that the bureau had lost its core competencies to “wokeness” and allowed its employees to become “pawns in a political war,” according to an after-action report kept from the public for more than four years.

Scores of FBI agents and personnel – many from the bureau’s premier Washington field office (WFO) – sent anonymous complaints to the after-action team detailing how agents were sent into an unsafe scenario without proper safety equipment or the ability to identify themselves readily as armed officers to other police agencies, the report obtained by Just the News shows.

The most persistent complaint was that the bureau during the James Comey and Chris Wray era had become infected with political biases and liberal ideology that treated the protesters from the summer 2020 Black Lives Matter riots far differently than those arrested in the aftermath of the Jan. 6 episode.


Go here to read the rest of the story. Prior to this the FBI had admitted only to 26 “confidential sources” among the J6 crowd. None of this would ever have come out but for Trump winning a second term. The FBI is a rogue agency that needs to be brought to heel, or dismantled and replaced.

274 FBI Agents Embedded in January 6 Event
Does this mean Cris Wray lied to Congress as well ? Where are all of those posters who ranted about an insurrection? There was no insurrection on Jan 6, just a dog and pony show instigated in part by undercover FBI.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

Are you trying to bore us to death. That video was unwatchable.
Lol I honestly I did not see this reply when I wrote the previous one to another poster. You are literally proving the point I just made. That skeptics or should I say cynics are dismissing the scientists doing this work as nothing, boring, not relevant and no need to even take it seriously.

You demand double blinds but you then dismiss scientific testing altogether. Shows complete hypocracy, inconsistency and blatant bias.
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Trump Calls For Ilhan Omar’s Removal From Congress

Apparently, she is accused of marrying her brother to circumvent immigration laws.

More false accusations: [this claim was never substantiated]

"Wasn’t she the one that married her brother in order to gain citizenship??? What SCUM we have in our Country, telling us what to do, and how to do it. Thank you for your attention to this matter. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!”

...but of course with Trump, he doesn't care. He got plenty of traction with people who believe the birther crap.
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There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

You have previously denigrated the competence of ancient artisans to manufacture vases from that period with "simple"tools.
And you are denegrating them by not acknowledging their knowlegde of being able to create such works without the simple tools. You want to force them into a box as typical of the modern orthodox narrative as it has done for 200 to 400 years since colonialisation and the destruction of that cultural knowledge. Now your only aiding in this lie.

There you go I can play your moral outrage game.
Now you are denigrating the approach of scientists, openly suggesting investigators "wouldn't have time" to do the job right. Your fly-by-night operators may be light on comepetence and commitment, not so serious workers in the field.
And now your denigrating the scientists who actually did the tests and stated they only had limited time to test a certain number being around 20 vases due to the time limits set by the Petrie museum and not the scientists.

You want them to give up some of that time doing blind tests which are completely unnecessary. Your now denegrating their own words and explanations as to why they did not do blind testing. Just as others on this thread are denegrating good scientists and calling them nut jobs. Give me a break the hypocracy is plain to see.
You offer an AI comment on the double blind tests. Here is the AI comment I got:

In summary:
The call for independent, double-blind testing is entirely valid. Without it, the “CNC-level precision” claim rests on shaky ground, since extraordinary conclusions have been drawn from possibly narrow or biased data. At the same time, dismissing the vessels as “primitive” underestimates the ingenuity and persistence of ancient craftspeople. The most balanced position is that careful, impartial metrology should precede any sweeping technological claims.
And the scientists did careful, impartial metrology. Thats all that matters and it has been done a dozen times now and all tyhe data is consistent. Its good science. Stop creating logical fallacies, red herrings and strawmen. This level of moral outrage and nit picking would not be applied to anything esle. Especially of it supports the skeptics.

They can present evidence like the experiments done in backyards and homes as proof the simple methods can achieve such levels of precision and never question is legitimacy. Simply present it as gospel. Even presenting their own words without one bit of scientific and independent evidence as gospel. Just simply saying its wrong is good enough.

Never once stiopping to apply double blinds or even questioning the methods and claims. Yet we later find they cheat and compromise on the tests. But thats all acceptable to the skeptics because it suits their narrative. Its blantant hypocracy and your showing your bias.
Steve, you really need to reflect on the possibility that you don't understand science, or archaeology, or their methodologies. I'm sure you find this sort of speculation entertaining, but so are crime thrillers and Rolling Stones concerts, but neither tell us how the world works. Time to get your critical thinking sent in for an upgrade.
What on earth is the speculation about the plain hard and cold facts of numbers. I think its the other way around. You cannot handle the numbers so skeptics go into overdrive about everything from moral outrage in claiming the simple numbers are somehow descriminating against ancient people.

Or that somehow the numbers, the plain clear data like the plain clear signatures are somehow being biased. Give me a break, Just deal with the numbers or don't deal with them at all. But please stop the fallacies and moral outrage over numbers and data lol.
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